"13 Seconds", help me out here

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Curious where that's from? I heard something similar but don't recall the source.

The real problem with that aspect is that they were both wrong and I'm surprised we don't hear more about it.

They'd run a mortar successfully multiple times throughout the year, it was 100% the proper call in that situation and it sounds like nobody even discussed it. 

Ty Dunne wrote it 

 

Think squib is definitely still the correct call tho

[Simon]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Ty Dunne wrote it 

 

Think squib is definitely still the correct call tho

 

Too unpredictable.

A mortar is more controllable and at worst would have forced a fair catch at the 10.

A bad bounce on a squib is an uncontrollable variable.

[billsfan714]

All 3 plays were bad, the KO, and the outside contain (guarding the sidelines) prevent defense as well as the number of guys they rushed, Mahomes had to get the ball out quick, no need to rush more than 2.   It was the coaching equivalent to crapping your pants.   In brutal honesty, you could not have coached that worse than McD did and all this with a TV timeout.  It was then whitewashed with BS terms like "miscommunication', etc.

[boyst]

There's a lot more to this story and the important parts are what happened after. 

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

You have grandkids don't you

and now the song is stuck in my head again

thanks ...

[krf139]

We’ll never know because the soft Buffalo media has never made Sean answer to it 

[benderbender]

Too early for this thread. Bills bad karma archeologists should at least wait until a loss to start digging up the past. 

[RyanC883]

our D proceeded to melt down after the kick

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

our D proceeded to melt down after the kick

 

Yeah, leaving the middle of the field open was far more egregious.

 

What I wish more than anything is McD being forthright with what happened. There was no competitive advantage to not telling us. I truly think the fans deserved to know

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Somewhere a butterfly has flapped its wings.

[That's No Moon]

25 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

You have grandkids don't you

and now the song is stuck in my head again

thanks ...

Close. I work in a middle school. This has been a meme for years.

Edited 5 hours ago by That's No Moon

[machine gun kelly]

Movin on brother.

[dave mcbride]

49 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah, leaving the middle of the field open was far more egregious.

 

What I wish more than anything is McD being forthright with what happened. There was no competitive advantage to not telling us. I truly think the fans deserved to know

Meh. The odds of the Chiefs gaining 42 yards in two plays where they didn’t have to worry about the clock weren’t actually that low no matter what the Bills did given how the defense was playing at that point in the game. They got shredded before and after that in that game, so those two plays were basically par for the course.

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Meh. The odds of the Chiefs gaining 42 yards in two plays where they didn’t have to worry about the clock weren’t actually that low

 

Uh, yes. It absolutely was. Infinitesimally low odds. Barely any times in NFL history low oddz 

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Uh, yes. It absolutely was. Infinitesimally low odds. Barely any times in NFL history low oddz 

Two six second plays. That is entirely normal. I have seen teams get off three non-incompletion plays with ten seconds to go PLENTY of times. That is exactly what the Chiefs did. Non-scramble pass plays for medium/medium deep yardage rarely take longer than 6 seconds.

Edited 4 hours ago by dave mcbride

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

This board continues to beat the crap out of McD re:  13 seconds game.   

 

Correct me if someone has the definitive word on this, but my understanding is that McD told Heath Farwell to have Bass squib kick with 13 seconds left (which would have forced the returner to pick up the ball and return it, running the clock down well below 13 sec and ending the game) but Farwell failed to get the call in to Bass.   Taiwan Jones said later he "could not believe" Bass was kicking it through the end zone. 

 

So if my understanding is correct, McD made the right call and Farwell screwed it up.   McD courageously took the heat  (called it a "learning experience for all ")and refused to throw Farwell under the bus (although he fired him "Leslie Frazier style" quietly later).  Bass has never been pushed to talk as far as I know.

 

So instead of continuing to rip McD for 13 seconds, he should be commended for not shunting the blame on his ST coach Farwell, who (my understanding is) totally pooped the bed.   McD manned up and took the blame even though Farwell did the deed.   That's the guy I want at the top of my organization.  

 

If someone has the actually documented facts on this, chime in, but the whole 13 seconds thing has been misrepresented for 3 years IMO.

 

Sorry but McDermott screwed up the 2 plays after that.  They could have even has their players hold and take 5 yard penalty over giving up long pass to Hill and then having his DB'S guard the sideline and give up the inside or middle of field when KC had timeouts left was stupid

 

Unless he wins the next 2 games then he needs to go

Edited 4 hours ago by Niagara Dude

[DrBob806]

3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

This board continues to beat the crap out of McD re:  13 seconds game.   

 

Correct me if someone has the definitive word on this, but my understanding is that McD told Heath Farwell to have Bass squib kick with 13 seconds left (which would have forced the returner to pick up the ball and return it, running the clock down well below 13 sec and ending the game) but Farwell failed to get the call in to Bass.   Taiwan Jones said later he "could not believe" Bass was kicking it through the end zone. 

 

So if my understanding is correct, McD made the right call and Farwell screwed it up.   McD courageously took the heat  (called it a "learning experience for all ")and refused to throw Farwell under the bus (although he fired him "Leslie Frazier style" quietly later).  Bass has never been pushed to talk as far as I know.

 

So instead of continuing to rip McD for 13 seconds, he should be commended for not shunting the blame on his ST coach Farwell, who (my understanding is) totally pooped the bed.   McD manned up and took the blame even though Farwell did the deed.   That's the guy I want at the top of my organization.  

 

If someone has the actually documented facts on this, chime in, but the whole 13 seconds thing has been misrepresented for 3 years IMO.

 

Found it!!!  The proof.

 

It was blowing around Niagara Falls.

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Two six second plays. That is entirely normal. I have seen teams get off three non-incompletion plays with ten seconds to go PLENTY of times. That is exactly what the Chiefs did.

 

Do this, then come back and talk: Find series (game drives) where a team went 40+ yards with 13 or less seconds left in a half.  You have all of NFL history to search.

 

I’ll give you a hint - out of 32,000+ drives, it has happened less than 10 times.

[dave mcbride]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Do this, then come back and talk: Find series (game drives) where a team went 40+ yards with 13 or less seconds left in a half.  You have all of NFL history to search.

 

I’ll give you a hint - out of 32,000+ drives, it has happened less than 10 times.

Um … KC did nearly the EXACT SAME THING to the Bills six games later vs the Bills (in the next season). 2 plays for 28 yards and a 62 yard fg before the half in 12 seconds. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202210160kan.htm

 

But you are missing my larger point: the Bills could not stop the Chiefs AT ALL in the latter part of that game. KC had *552* - 552! - yards in that game.

Edited 3 hours ago by dave mcbride

[Matt_In_NH]

The bigger sin was playing prevent and protecting the sidelines when KC had timeouts.  It made no sense and it never got an explanation.

Edited 4 hours ago by Matt_In_NH