"13 Seconds", help me out here

[ProcessTruster]

This board continues to beat the crap out of McD re:  13 seconds game.   

 

Correct me if someone has the definitive word on this, but my understanding is that McD told Heath Farwell to have Bass squib kick with 13 seconds left (which would have forced the returner to pick up the ball and return it, running the clock down well below 13 sec and ending the game) but Farwell failed to get the call in to Bass.   Taiwan Jones said later he "could not believe" Bass was kicking it through the end zone. 

 

So if my understanding is correct, McD made the right call and Farwell screwed it up.   McD courageously took the heat  (called it a "learning experience for all ")and refused to throw Farwell under the bus (although he fired him "Leslie Frazier style" quietly later).  Bass has never been pushed to talk as far as I know.

 

So instead of continuing to rip McD for 13 seconds, he should be commended for not shunting the blame on his ST coach Farwell, who (my understanding is) totally pooped the bed.   McD manned up and took the blame even though Farwell did the deed.   That's the guy I want at the top of my organization.  

 

If someone has the actually documented facts on this, chime in, but the whole 13 seconds thing has been misrepresented for 3 years IMO.

 

[ColoradoBills]

It's ancient history.  Tomorrow is the future.  That's all that matters.

[That's No Moon]

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

This board continues to beat the crap out of McD re:  13 seconds game.   

 

Correct me if someone has the definitive word on this, but my understanding is that McD told Heath Farwell to have Bass squib kick with 13 seconds left (which would have forced the returner to pick up the ball and return it, running the clock down well below 13 sec and ending the game) but Farwell failed to get the call in to Bass.   Taiwan Jones said later he "could not believe" Bass was kicking it through the end zone. 

 

So if my understanding is correct, McD made the right call and Farwell screwed it up.   McD courageously took the heat  (called it a "learning experience for all ")and refused to throw Farwell under the bus (although he fired him "Leslie Frazier style" quietly later).  Bass has never been pushed to talk as far as I know.

 

So instead of continuing to rip McD for 13 seconds, he should be commended for not shunting the blame on his ST coach Farwell, who (my understanding is) totally pooped the bed.   McD manned up and took the blame even though Farwell did the deed.   That's the guy I want at the top of my organization.  

 

If someone has the actually documented facts on this, chime in, but the whole 13 seconds thing has been misrepresented for 3 years IMO.

 

What is your source or basis for having this understanding?

[NI Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

What is your source or basis for having this understanding?

Buffaloflash's AI cracked the case around an hour ago, didn't you hear?

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

I think McD is a great coach, but he screwed the pooch that day by having our Safeties so deep in center field. If he ever has another game that he screws  up in anything similar I will say it definitely time to fire him.

[Fleezoid]

[Kelly to Allen]

I have forgiven McDermott and the team for 13 seconds over a year ago. It's time to move on man.... Enjoy the team now that is on the journey for their first world championship 🏆 

 

 

Let it go

[Sojourner]

Yeah, the squib kick was the starting point but they got absolutely shredded by scheme on 2 plays. That’s where people’s problem is more than the squib imo. 
 

Both are crucial errors by coaching staff period, whether solely Farwell/Smiley or Frazier/Daboll. 

[Governor]

The Houston game was worse. In total control most of the game and then McD collapses.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[That's No Moon]

[GoBills808]

 

...Immediately after the PAT, the kickoff team huddled together with special teams coordinator Heath Farwell instructing them to run “Squib Left! Squib Left!” That is, the kicker would hit the ball low and hard to force the Chiefs to return it and, of course, burn time off the clock. As those 10 players took the field, they were expecting what most everyone at home was expecting: a squib. To their shock, the ball sailed out of the end zone. Watch a replay of the Coaches View on NFL Game Pass and you’ll even see one confused player, Siran Neal, throw his hands up.

 

That’s because the message, somehow, did not reach the kicker himself: Tyler Bass.

 

Afterward, Bass wasn’t in the mood to talk about the kick with teammates and he didn’t respond to comment for this story, as well. When McDermott dropped that “execution” line a second time, Bass caught plenty of flak publicly because, in coachspeak, this word is often code for a bad play being a player’s fault. Yet, the players I spoke to believe Bass was doing what he was told. “To be honest,” one said, “that’s all we do. What we’re told.” And through their own investigating, multiple players say McDermott called for a touchback at some point during those 126 seconds.

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

[Sojourner]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

you must not have seen Frozen 2. Definitley didn’t let it go 😂

[colin]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

...Immediately after the PAT, the kickoff team huddled together with special teams coordinator Heath Farwell instructing them to run “Squib Left! Squib Left!” That is, the kicker would hit the ball low and hard to force the Chiefs to return it and, of course, burn time off the clock. As those 10 players took the field, they were expecting what most everyone at home was expecting: a squib. To their shock, the ball sailed out of the end zone. Watch a replay of the Coaches View on NFL Game Pass and you’ll even see one confused player, Siran Neal, throw his hands up.

 

That’s because the message, somehow, did not reach the kicker himself: Tyler Bass.

 

Afterward, Bass wasn’t in the mood to talk about the kick with teammates and he didn’t respond to comment for this story, as well. When McDermott dropped that “execution” line a second time, Bass caught plenty of flak publicly because, in coachspeak, this word is often code for a bad play being a player’s fault. Yet, the players I spoke to believe Bass was doing what he was told. “To be honest,” one said, “that’s all we do. What we’re told.” And through their own investigating, multiple players say McDermott called for a touchback at some point during those 126 seconds.

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

 

that's an interesting thing.  so, mcd said one thing, special teams coach convinced him of another, and in the confusion the one guy who really needed to know didn't get told.  so, the special teams coach didn't get the word out, but mcd a) didn't have the right idea in the first place, b) sort of sucked up some bandwidth arguing with his ST coordinator, but c) seemingly agreed to what at the time was the right call, showing he can adapt some.  so who gets how much blame?

 

either way, the defensive calls at the end were an utter disgrace.  they acted like the chiefs had zero timeouts, when they had 3.  just running regular d stops them from getting in FG range like 9 times out of 10.

[Ralonzo]

Over and above that, iirc Frazier was playing the D to guard the sideline despite KC having timeouts to stop the clock. On top of that Buffalo used defensive timeouts on each of the 2 plays which famously allowed KC to adjust and call something to attack what the Bills had shown. It was really a miraculous sequence of multiple coaching **** ups (and bad luck on the coin toss) to pull out a defeat in that game.

[Buffalo Boy]

38 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

This board continues to beat the crap out of McD re:  13 seconds game.   

 

Correct me if someone has the definitive word on this, but my understanding is that McD told Heath Farwell to have Bass squib kick with 13 seconds left (which would have forced the returner to pick up the ball and return it, running the clock down well below 13 sec and ending the game) but Farwell failed to get the call in to Bass.   Taiwan Jones said later he "could not believe" Bass was kicking it through the end zone. 

 

So if my understanding is correct, McD made the right call and Farwell screwed it up.   McD courageously took the heat  (called it a "learning experience for all ")and refused to throw Farwell under the bus (although he fired him "Leslie Frazier style" quietly later).  Bass has never been pushed to talk as far as I know.

 

So instead of continuing to rip McD for 13 seconds, he should be commended for not shunting the blame on his ST coach Farwell, who (my understanding is) totally pooped the bed.   McD manned up and took the blame even though Farwell did the deed.   That's the guy I want at the top of my organization.  

 

If someone has the actually documented facts on this, chime in, but the whole 13 seconds thing has been misrepresented for 3 years IMO.

 

Wow

McDs nether regions have never been cleaner after that washing😒

[ProcessTruster]

27 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

...Immediately after the PAT, the kickoff team huddled together with special teams coordinator Heath Farwell instructing them to run “Squib Left! Squib Left!” That is, the kicker would hit the ball low and hard to force the Chiefs to return it and, of course, burn time off the clock. As those 10 players took the field, they were expecting what most everyone at home was expecting: a squib. To their shock, the ball sailed out of the end zone. Watch a replay of the Coaches View on NFL Game Pass and you’ll even see one confused player, Siran Neal, throw his hands up.

 

That’s because the message, somehow, did not reach the kicker himself: Tyler Bass.

 

Afterward, Bass wasn’t in the mood to talk about the kick with teammates and he didn’t respond to comment for this story, as well. When McDermott dropped that “execution” line a second time, Bass caught plenty of flak publicly because, in coachspeak, this word is often code for a bad play being a player’s fault. Yet, the players I spoke to believe Bass was doing what he was told. “To be honest,” one said, “that’s all we do. What we’re told.” And through their own investigating, multiple players say McDermott called for a touchback at some point during those 126 seconds.

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

geez what a mess.  

[Simon]

40 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

...Immediately after the PAT, the kickoff team huddled together with special teams coordinator Heath Farwell instructing them to run “Squib Left! Squib Left!” That is, the kicker would hit the ball low and hard to force the Chiefs to return it and, of course, burn time off the clock. As those 10 players took the field, they were expecting what most everyone at home was expecting: a squib. To their shock, the ball sailed out of the end zone. Watch a replay of the Coaches View on NFL Game Pass and you’ll even see one confused player, Siran Neal, throw his hands up.

 

That’s because the message, somehow, did not reach the kicker himself: Tyler Bass.

 

Afterward, Bass wasn’t in the mood to talk about the kick with teammates and he didn’t respond to comment for this story, as well. When McDermott dropped that “execution” line a second time, Bass caught plenty of flak publicly because, in coachspeak, this word is often code for a bad play being a player’s fault. Yet, the players I spoke to believe Bass was doing what he was told. “To be honest,” one said, “that’s all we do. What we’re told.” And through their own investigating, multiple players say McDermott called for a touchback at some point during those 126 seconds.

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

 

Curious where that's from? I heard something similar but don't recall the source.

The real problem with that aspect is that they were both wrong and I'm surprised we don't hear more about it.

They'd run a mortar successfully multiple times throughout the year, it was 100% the proper call in that situation and it sounds like nobody even discussed it. 

[Process]

The kick was not the issue, at all......

 

Hope that helps