Personally, this Ravens matchup is my "McDermott Game."

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The mental gymnastics that are needed to define what could be 4 straight Divisional exits for a coach with Josh Allen as your QB as an undeniable success that you're being gaslit as an "idiot" if you disagree with is kind of impressive.

 

Keeping it simple...4 straight years of only reaching the Divisional Round with a generational QB that might be the best player in all of football would be almost objectively a failure. 

and it would be vs 3 separate teams with 3 home games. Which would sort of debunk the whole it's just KC deal. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mikie2times

[jaybeezee]

8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Taking the chiefs down to the wire in the playoffs is literally the peak of what any afc head coach has been able to do in the playoffs lol. Pats had a coin flip fall their way to win a game in ot, bengals just squeaked one out once that felt like more luck than anything seeing as it’s pretty generally accepted Zac Taylor is kind of a mess.

 

i just don’t buy this ‘mental hump’ business and you are risking the future of the entire franchise on this false notion that ‘things can’t get worse’. A lot of you sound like you want to replace a hc with a sterling record against the only other afc east opponent that has a shot of doing anything that plays the chiefs as consistently well as anyone for a completely unproven no head coaching experience type guy.  And y’all expect this unproven guy to be able to accomplish a feat that no other coach in the league is doing with any kind of regularity. Chiefs are 1-8 against active head coaches not named Sean McDermott this decade in the playoffs.  It’s pure insanity and would be mocked mercilessly by the nfl world. 

 

Just because he beats the Chiefs in the regular season means squat if he cant beat them when it matter the most. If, and I hope a big IF we lose on Sunday, then that will be 3- different teams that came into our house and sent us packing for the season. I dont care if we lose our division and get in as a WC and get to the SB. I personally would want him gone if we at least got to One SB, win or lose, just get to One. It would at least show progress and give many of us hope that we can get there. 

Edited 4 hours ago by jaybeezee

[Breakout Squad]

3 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

So if the Bills win 13-10 or 42-40 it doesn't impact your feelings on McDermott at all?

 

That's surprising. To me, as a Defensive specialist, McDermott needs to show that his defense can step up in the playoffs against top competition.

If we beat the Ravens, that means he can step up against top competition. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s great when fans who actually don’t know sh-t about coaching an NFL team talk out their aszses, 

 

We fans say some of the most stupid things.., 

 

Sure I’ve wanted to fie him, for like fifteen minutes after a loss, but that’s just fan frustration bubbling over, 

 

Sean isn’t going anywhere, his seat isn’t remotely warm. If you don’t believe me, ask Terry Pegula, 

Unfortunately, Terry might give the same response about Kevyn Adams 

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

 

2020: 3rd best DVOA in football, lost to a worse DVOA

2021: 2nd best DVOA in football, lost to a worse DVOA

2022: 1st best DVOA in football, lost to a worse DVOA

2023: 3rd best DVOA in football, lost to a worse DVOA

 

We played home games the last two years in the playoffs when we lost because we performed better in the regular season than the teams we have eventually lost to. We have beat KC in the regular season 4 consecutive times, we have never beat them in the postseason.

 

I know your logic seems sound and all, but just not following

2022 was tough watching everything fall apart. 
 

2023 was a good game that the Bills should’ve won. 

[jaybeezee]

1 minute ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Unfortunately, Terry might give the same response about Kevyn Adams 

We know enough to know when we get bounced every year that it's time for a change. Great teams have done it in the past and won titles. It might be what we have to do as well. 

 

Or we can continue to waste Josh Allen in his prime and run the excuse that " it's hard to win in the NFL" while we have some noodle armed QB running the show when Josh retires. Let's not forget that this is the same coach tgat thought it was best to start Petterman in a playoff game.  Then bring him back tge next season as well.

[<bills4life>]

2 hours ago, eball said:

McDermott is 6-6 in the playoffs (6-5 with Josh).  In the playoffs you’re always playing another playoff team (duh), so an above-.500 record can’t (or shouldn’t) be considered “bad.”

 

We all want to reach the next level.  A lot has to go right to get there.  Our head coach is not the problem.

 

Then again he certainly hasn’t been the solution in the playoffs either 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

I’m sure McD can sleep well tonight knowing he has your blessing to continue for at least another season as the Bills head coach. 🙄

 

Anyone who’s entertained the notion of firing McDermott is a complete idiot in my opinion. The team has won 14 of 18 games in what was expected to be a ‘transition year’ with the exodus of several key players. It would probably have been 15 of 18 if they’d played their best team against the pats. In the process, they handed defeats to the top seeded teams each conference, and also both teams from the last Super Bowl. 
But yeah, let’s start looking for McDs replacement if they lose. 
When I hear the ‘fire McDermott’ chants, I’m convinced they’re coming from the same idiots who went ballistic when the Bills chose Josh Allen rather than Josh Rosen. 

 

And even a bigger idiot if anyone thinks that if they fire McD, someone is going to come in a do a better job.  Over the past 5 years combined, the Bills have won the 2nd most games behind the Chiefs 66 to 61.  If you exclude the top 5 teams on the list, from that point down, the next 5 to 10 teams would need to take their 6 year combined wins against Bills 5 year totals to catch him and after about #15 on the list would take 7 seasons.  Over the past 5 season the Bills are also first in TD's, yards, yards per game, opposing points and points per game (those 2 surprised me a bit)  2nd in first downs and 3rd down percent and a disappointing 4th place in fourth  down %, a whole 1.1% behind the leader.

 

When you look at numbers like that there is so little room for improvement, the likelihood is very very low.  I get the argument too, that you can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results, but the counter to that is, If you're going to change something expecting to get better, you need a well laid out plan what's going to change so you get better.   And in selecting NFL coaches there really isn't a plan, it's just getting lucky with the right person.  If there was a plan many teams would have figured it out and succeeded already.  Picking an NFL that will succeed is not much better than the equivalent of playing roulette and hoping you hit on your number.

 

There was an article in the Athletic the other day discussing how:  Teams should also realize that hiring offensive coordinators as head coaches is not critical or even important for making sure your offense and your team contends at the highest levels.  and gave 5 examples of winning HC who never called offensive plays John Harbaugh, McD, Campbell, Bowles, and Quinn and then gave some examples of hoe name coaches to hire who never worked out for various reasons

 

You may be onto something about those complaining about picking the wrong Josh

[folz]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

McDermott has been at least average in the regular season. 

The playoffs are another story. Maybe this year is different.

 

Over the Last Five Years in the Regular Season:

The Bills are 61-22 for a .735% win percentage (good for 2nd best in the league, only behind the Chiefs), so over those 5 years: 

 

-The Bills have the second most wins in the league 

-The Bills have scored the most points in the league

-The Bills have the 3rd most yards in the league

-The Bills defense has allowed the fewest amount of points in the league

-The Bills defense has allowed the 2nd fewest yards

-The Bills are first in defensive takeaways

-The Bills are eleventh in sacks

-The Bills are first in point differential with +912 points [The Ravens are second with +699, the Chiefs are third with +602]

-5 of 5 eleven plus win seasons, three 13-win seasons, 5 AFC East titles, 5 playoff berths (four #2 seeds, one #3 seed)

 

It's pretty crazy, when you lay it all out, just how good the Bills have been in the regular season. Glad you're coming around OP, but at least average is the biggest understatement I've heard in a long while. I mean honestly, as far as regular season goes, what more could you possibly ask for. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

We are 0-6 against seeds 1-4 under McD

 

Lets not pretend people who questions his ability to lead us to a Super Bowl are wildly irrational. 

 

Come on dude. That is just the nature of the playoffs itself. Unless you get to the Super Bowl, your playoff wins will be against lower seeds and your loss(es) will be to higher seeds (if you are often a #2 or #3 as Buffalo has been). I like how you went down to the 4th seed too, so you could include Houston. And for two of those years, there were only 6 seeds (so yeah, just by odds, we were going to lose to a 1-4 seed over a 5-6 seed, or even a 5-7 seed, if we didn't make the Super Bowl). Saying 0-6 against 1-4 seeds doesn't really add anything to the debate, it's still just, he hasn't made a Super Bowl yet.

 

Plus, three of those losses were to the Chiefs. An all-time team (kind of like Peyton and the Colts behind Brady and the Pats). Two of the three years the Chiefs beat us, they made it to the Super Bowl. Last year, after beating us, they went on to win the Super Bowl. Our last two playoff meetings with this juggernaut team was a 6-point OT loss and a 3-point loss on a missed field goal at the end of the game. 

 

Some of you guys act like we get blown out of the playoffs every year. Or that Sean screws up every game with horrible decisions, etc. Outsie of 13 seconds, where are all of these major screw-ups?

 

We have a 6-6 playoff record. A perfect playoff game. One of the greatest playoff games in history (regardlesss of the outcome). A win against Lamar, Harbaugh, and the Ravens. Despite our even record, we are still +38 points in playoff point differential under McD. Four of the six losses were one score games. Two of the losses were in Overtime. We have not been a bad playoff team by any means under Sean...we have just lost some heartbreakers (which happens to every coach, btw).

 

 

[jaybeezee]

34 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

So, Andy Reid or Bill Belichick are the options if the qualification is not falling short in the big dance?  1 coach wins each year, just 1.  

You left out McVay as well. I would be pleased if he at least got us to a SB. Preferably won it all, but at least got us to one like Taylor did with the Bengals. 

[CoudyBills]

1 minute ago, jaybeezee said:

You left out McVay as well. I would be pleased if he at least got us to a SB. Preferably won it all, but at least got us to one like Taylor did with the Bengals. 

I originally had McVay in there, but took him out last second.

[HappyDays]

I'll say this - this past wildcard game was the first playoff game ever in McDermott's tenure where I thought the defense performed above expectations. That gives me hope that he's finally figured out whatever problems have caused our defense to fall off a cliff in the playoffs. The only defensive play call that I thought was exceptionally stupid came on Denver's first drive, and no it wasn't the TD - it was the 3rd and 8 just before where we blitzed but played soft cover 3 behind creating an easy throwing window to beat the blitz. Watching that followed by the TD confirmed all of my worst fears about this coaching staff... but then we proceeded to completely shut them down.

 

Of course I don't expect us to hold Baltimore to 7 points. I just want to hold them below 30. I would be satisfied with that. If we hold them to 24 or lower I'll consider that to be performing above expectations, and that would tell me McDermott has completely flipped the script. Sandbag the regular season but then stun opponents in the playoffs.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

So if the Bills win 13-10 or 42-40 it doesn't impact your feelings on McDermott at all?

 

That's surprising. To me, as a Defensive specialist, McDermott needs to show that his defense can step up in the playoffs against top competition.

if he has called the right game management moves - time outs, 4th downs, etc… and the team is motivated… I really don’t care if it’s a slog or a shootout personally 

[Savage]

4 hours ago, Rigotz said:

McDermott has been at least average in the regular season. 

The playoffs are another story. Maybe this year is different.

 

Round 1 over Denver was a huge defensive win. Holding them to 7 points was impressive.

In the 7 games prior to our Wild Card matchup, the Broncos had scored 29, 41, 31, 34, 24, and 38.

 

Round 2, we face a Ravens offense that has been dominant.

If McDermott shuts down the Ravens or at least holds them under 20'ish points, that's it for me. I'll stop talking about his job security.

 

No coach can shut down every elite QB and elite offense every year and yes, he's had some poor defensive performances in the playoffs.

 

However, if he gets it done this time, I've seen enough. Bring him back with open arms next year and probably again the following year.

 

Anybody else feel the same?

He needs to get over the hump.

 

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

If we go to 0-7 against seeds 1-4 

0-6 with Allen

That 0-6 includes KC, HOU, CIN, BAL with 3 of them being home games?

 

Again, are we really crazy if that makes us upset? 

That’s not what I mean. It’s his biggest game this week. Let’s say the Bills fans win, then they lose to the Chiefs or in the SB people will still be calling for his head especially in a close game where every decision can be scrutinized. This is only his “biggest game” to prove himself until the next one just like the NFL has had 4 game of the years already with the Bills 

[Drew21PA]

4 hours ago, thronethinker said:

Dont need to shut them down, just need to do enough to cause them to make mistakes. Lemar will crumble if they get in his head.

 

We frustrate him and then the cold and fans?  Yeah can’t see him bouncing back from too much adversity 

[Governor]

Would Andy Reid still be the Chief’s coach if their offense was the reason why they lost every year?

Edited 3 hours ago by Governor

[Prospector]

I just wanna comment on the “at least average in the regular season” comment. How many playoffs have we been to in a row? Didn’t he get Kyle Williams to the playoffs with Tyrod? That’s a pretty damn good regular season coach.

 

how many years before him did we not see the playoffs? Didn’t we have the longest acting streak of no postseason for any pro team in any major sport before he took over?

 

im gonna say more than at least average in the regular season. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Prospector

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The mental gymnastics that are needed to define what could be 4 straight Divisional exits for a coach with Josh Allen as your QB as an undeniable success that you're being gaslit as an "idiot" if you disagree with is kind of impressive.

 

Keeping it simple...4 straight years of only reaching the Divisional Round with a generational QB that might be the best player in all of football would be almost objectively a massive failure. 

I feel like everyone is disappointed but the firing discussion is pretty polarizing.   Taking the chiefs down to the wire in the playoffs is pretty much the ceiling for the whole league.  If it was just a bills issue then the discussion is different.  Look at Harbaugh, he’s 1-5 against them and the one win was a pretty miraculous late fumble.  He’s winless against 1-3 seeds in the playoffs in the Lamar era I believe, has beaten a few 4s but also beefed it as the 1 seed against a 6 seed. They missed the playoffs one year and had a first round exit but I won’t hold it against them because Lamar was out.  If mcd is on the hot seat Harbaugh undoubtedly has to be also and he’s a little easier to evaluate because we’ve got no personal attachment to him. I wouldn’t think about firing either guy yet personally but that’s just me 

 

I just can’t see the path to a first time head coach coming in and improving the situation when literally no coach in the league is beating the chiefs in the playoffs with any amount of consistency. Especially if it’s someone like Ben Johnson who’d have to bring in a DC that can figure out the 3 hof level afc qbs.  Even if you have a low opinion of mcd pretty much the ceiling of DC he’s gonna bring in is a fired retread head coach like mcd 😂

Edited 3 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[JP51]

I have my concerns about his ability i don't know that a loss would make me say can him... I just want to win this game