Personally, this Ravens matchup is my "McDermott Game."

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

It is until the next week where fans call for his head

exactly. 

 

this board is nuts. 

[Mikie2times]

6 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

exactly. 

 

this board is nuts. 

If we go to 0-7 against seeds 1-4 

0-6 with Allen

That 0-6 includes KC, HOU, CIN, BAL with 3 of them being home games?

 

Again, are we really crazy if that makes us upset? 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mikie2times

[ProcessTruster]

These OPs, as well intended as they are  😐 , need to be accompanied with a complete dissertation on exactly who McDermott and Beane are replaced with and who their OC, DC scouting staffs, etc will be.   What schemes these HC, OC and DC will likely run and the fit / non-fit of the Bills roster to those schemes.   To me it is irresponsible to put these knee jerk "fire the bum" ultimatum blast-o-gram posts out there without discussion of what specific alternative they are putting forward.  

 

Remember, also, that all the obvious HC candidates you may pull out of your arse will be gone by the time McD and Beane and crew are dismissed in your "fire the bum" scenario.  So what's the start from scratch plan then, champ?    Senior Bowl is on Feb 1, for example.   Gonna be ready for that one when your entire scouting staff is interviewing with other teams? 

[jaybeezee]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

If we go to 0-7 against seeds 1-4 

0-6 with Allen

That 0-6 includes KC, HOU, CIN, BAL with 3 of them being home games?

 

Again, are we really crazy if that makes us upset? 

Nope! It just means that we are not complacent with things the way they are. There are many that feel like if McD left, we would go back to Rex Ryan or worse and that is not the case. However, I am not too sure how much I trust Terry P to hire the right guy either. I look at it like Dungy in Tampa. Great guy, good coach, but couldnt take them to the next level, so Gruden came in and won it all. For those that watch the NBA, it would be a similar situation for Golden State with Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr took the same exact squad to the finals and won it all.

 

Gruden is still available BTW!

Edited 3 hours ago by jaybeezee

[Neo]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

So if the Bills win 13-10 or 42-40 it doesn't impact your feelings on McDermott at all?

 

That's surprising. To me, as a Defensive specialist, McDermott needs to show that his defense can step up in the playoffs against top competition.

 

 

He was a defensive specialist    Now, he’s a complimentary football specialist.  DC to HC.   I, too, will call 13-10 or 42-40 a win.

[HOUSE]

McDermott was average in the regular season ?? The Bills won the division on Thanksgiving weekend with a team that is supposed to be rebuilding.

Baring a major collapse he will still be head coach and dance on your grave at 109

 

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Nope! It just means that we are not complacent with things the way they are. There are many that feel like if McD left, we would go back to Rex Ryan or worse and that is not the case. However, I am not too sure how much I trust Terry P to hire the right guy either. I look at it like Dungy in Tampa. Great guy, good coach, but couldnt take them to the next level, so Gruden came in and won it all. For those that watch the NBA, it would be a similar situation for Golden State with Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr took the same exact squad to the finals and won it all.

 

Gruden is still available BTW!

 

I don't see us parting with McD even if Lamar rides out of town dropping a 50 spot on us. But like you said, so many fear this instant demise if we parted ways.

 

Meanwhile since 2010, teams with a QB that finishes the year at a 70 QBR or better are 582-208 with a 73.67% winning %. Between 65-70, 475-288 for 62.25%. Allen has 3 years above 70 and no years below 65. With Allen, vs this AFC east level of play, the floor is division winners. That will remain the floor until somebody in our division shows a pulse. Even at that point we have a built in advantage that is so significant we would likely stumble into a wild card win more often than not.  I just don't see any logic in this notion that we will just fall off a cliff without McD. Josh holds this team together creates it's floor more than McD does. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mikie2times

[jaybeezee]

Just now, HOUSE said:

McDermott was average in the regular season ?? The Bills won the division on Thanksgiving weekend with a team that is supposed to be rebuilding.

Baring a major collapse he will still be head coach and dance on your grave at 109

 

I wouldnt call McD average for sure.  But just because he is not average, doesnt make him a great coach, or w winner.  McD has strengths, but I fear he's peaked and we are what we show every year. Good enough to get to the dance, but always fall short.

 

Sometimes a change is needed to get over the mental part of it all, which is why I believe that we lose where we lose every year now for the last 3 years.  

[MJS]

He was excellent during the regular season, not just average. It was reported that he added the most EPA for coaching decisions of any coach in the NFL. Something like that. I don't remember the exact metric. But he was the BEST coach in the league at decision making. And he is usually among the league leaders.

[jaybeezee]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

 

I don't see us parting with McD even if Lamar rides out of town dropping a 50 spot on us. But like you said, so many fear this instant demise if we parted ways.

 

Meanwhile since 2010, teams with a QB that finishes the year at a 70 QBR or better are 582-208 with a 73.67% winning %. Between 65-70, 475-288 for 62.25%. Allen has 3 years above 70 and no years below 65. With Allen, vs this AFC east level of play, the floor is division winners. That will remain the floor until somebody in our division shows a pulse. Even at that point we have a built in advantage that is so significant we would likely stumble into a wild card win more often than not.  I just don't see any logic in this notion that we will just fall off a cliff without McD. Josh holds this team together creates it's floor more than McD does. 

 

 

Good stuff, and you backed it with statistical facts. 

[Charles Romes]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

So if the Bills win 13-10 or 42-40 it doesn't impact your feelings on McDermott at all?

 

That's surprising. To me, as a Defensive specialist, McDermott needs to show that his defense can step up in the playoffs against top competition.

Spags has collapsed many times during the current run -  Bucs, Bills ‘21, Bengals, Eagles yet he’s known as the playoffs wizard  

[jaybeezee]

Just now, Charles Romes said:

Spags has collapsed many times during the current run -  Bucs, Bills ‘21, Bengals, Eagles yet he’s known as the playoffs wizard  

Because he has also won SB's dude with the team that he is a coach of! Technically his defense is the reason that they have only 1 loss this year. It definitely aint because the offense was outstanding this year.

 

McDs defenses have never won a SB. Ever!

Edited 3 hours ago by jaybeezee

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, TurfToeJam said:

 

Exactly.  Our defense may not be able to stop Henry.  But if we win the turnover battle that's huge.

In the last meeting,  we played a light box for 60% of the defensive snaps and gave all the holes to Henry to run. We were afraid of Lamar throwing downfield.   Now with the defense coming back in full swing, we need to be able to stop Henry and challenge Lamar to throw.  Can McDermott come with his disguised plays to confuse Lamar in the cold.  

 

This game is about McDermott elevating the defense.  Defense wins championships.

[Jimmy Harris 69]

Snow Angel Sean will come out swinging. Play action early, will lead to successful pass plays and an early score. Defensively they will crash the line, spy Lamar. Hold Baltimore to field goals, while Buffalo gets touchdowns. Lamar will have to pass and they will give him a taste of 15 degrees in the Queen City. At the end of the day Buffalo’s Greasy Neal Award winning coach will have led this team to another improbable victory. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

We are 0-6 against seeds 1-4 under McD

 

Lets not pretend people who questions his ability to lead us to a Super Bowl are wildly irrational. 

This is a fair take.  McDermott has been an exceptional regular season coach and a below average postseason coach imo (albeit a small sample size).  There's a lot on the line for McDermott's legacy this playoff game.  He "cracked the code" so to speak against Miami after they put up 70 on the Broncos the week before last season.  His defensive game plan this week needs to be exceptional or we'll lose.  If our offense plays well and we lose 44-30 or something like that it's absolutely fair to conclude that McDermott has a ceiling that we'll never break if we want to win a Super Bowl.  Even Pegula (who won't fire him regardless) has to recognize this at some point.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

23 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I wouldnt call McD average for sure.  But just because he is not average, doesnt make him a great coach, or w winner.  McD has strengths, but I fear he's peaked and we are what we show every year. Good enough to get to the dance, but always fall short.

 

Sometimes a change is needed to get over the mental part of it all, which is why I believe that we lose where we lose every year now for the last 3 years.  

Taking the chiefs down to the wire in the playoffs is literally the peak of what any afc head coach has been able to do in the playoffs lol. Pats had a coin flip fall their way to win a game in ot, bengals just squeaked one out once that felt like more luck than anything seeing as it’s pretty generally accepted Zac Taylor is kind of a mess.

 

i just don’t buy this ‘mental hump’ business and you are risking the future of the entire franchise on this false notion that ‘things can’t get worse’. A lot of you sound like you want to replace a hc with a sterling record against the only other afc east opponent that has a shot of doing anything that plays the chiefs as consistently well as anyone for a completely unproven no head coaching experience type guy.  And y’all expect this unproven guy to be able to accomplish a feat that no other coach in the league is doing with any kind of regularity. Chiefs are 1-8 against active head coaches not named Sean McDermott this decade in the playoffs.  It’s pure insanity and would be mocked mercilessly by the nfl world. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

This is a fair take.  McDermott has been an exceptional regular season coach and a below average postseason coach imo (albeit a small sample size).  There's a lot on the line for McDermott's legacy this playoff game.  He "cracked the code" so to speak against Miami after they put up 70 on the Broncos the week before last season.  His defensive game plan this week needs to be exceptional or we'll lose.  If our offense plays well and we lose 44-30 or something like that it's absolutely fair to conclude that McDermott has a ceiling that we'll never break if we want to win a Super Bowl.  Even Pegula (who won't fire him regardless) has to recognize this at some point.

Thank you. This is a really big game. As fans you just don't get a lot of these. I really want this one. I'm sure everybody feels that way. I would love to be able to come back and praise McD Sunday or Monday. The last Ravens home playoff win was so exciting and just a great memory. We really seemed to be trending up at that moment. As we experienced with the Super bowls, when you consistently fall short at the same part of the mountain it can really start to feel like you will never go higher and eventually it just starts to become part of the noise you deal with. You get labeled as a choker or not being able to get it done when it counts. We don't want that rep and that is coming if we lose this one and probably rightfully so. That's when actual pressure will be on him, on Allen, etc. We have watched this unfold already. 

[CoudyBills]

24 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I wouldnt call McD average for sure.  But just because he is not average, doesnt make him a great coach, or w winner.  McD has strengths, but I fear he's peaked and we are what we show every year. Good enough to get to the dance, but always fall short.

 

Sometimes a change is needed to get over the mental part of it all, which is why I believe that we lose where we lose every year now for the last 3 years.  

So, Andy Reid or Bill Belichick are the options if the qualification is not falling short in the big dance?  1 coach wins each year, just 1.  

[schoolhouserock]

The ONLY thing that will truly sway minds is a Super Bowl victory. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

The mental gymnastics that are needed to define what could be 4 straight Divisional exits for a coach with Josh Allen as your QB as an undeniable success that you're being gaslit as an "idiot" if you disagree with is kind of impressive.

 

Keeping it simple...4 straight years of only reaching the Divisional Round with a generational QB that might be the best player in all of football would be almost objectively a massive failure. 

Edited 2 hours ago by HomeskillitMoorman