Personally, this Ravens matchup is my "McDermott Game."

[Neo]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Yup, all 3 but mostly the head coach because he is wasting Lamar Jackson

 

I don’t think he’s wasting Lamar Jackson.   I think he’s getting the most out of Lamar and exactly what Lamar Jackson is.

[section122]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Of course. Because every team looking for a head coach sucks, and he would be a huge improvement and exactly what any of them need to right the ship and fix the culture.

 

The real question is: If there was an open HC spot on any of the TOP teams, would any of them hire McDermott?

 

If Reid has a massive coronary, do you think the Chiefs would want to replace him with McD?

If the Ravens fired Harbaugh, do you think McD would be what they are looking for to take the next step?

If the Lions lost Campbell, do they hire McD?

The Bengals?

Maybe the Eagles?

 

IMO, McD's sweet spot outside of Buffalo would be going back to Carolina and fixing that franchise in a very winnable division. Assuming Tepper could stay out of his way.

Or teams like the Bears, or even the Raiders.

 

This is so crazy.  Yes teams would love to have him as their HC.

 

Do you really think Dan Campbell and his 2 playoff wins in 4 years as a HC are above reproach and they wouldn't gladly take McD? Why because he has fun sound bites?

Zac Taylor and his 3 last place finishes in HIS OWN DIVISION and missing playoffs 4 of his 6 years are so much better than McD? Why because he made a super bowl once?

Harbaugh and his 4-7 playoff record with a 3 time MVP? Why because he won a super bowl 12 years ago?

 

Step outside of your fan bubble.  McD is one of the most successful coaches in the league. Since Allen has become Allen he has lost to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid who nobody would say he is better than.  Then the loss to the Bengals after a player on the team literally died on the field.

 

How am I on a Bills fan message board defending the HC as they prepare for the AFC championship game?!?!?  After just beating a team filled with All Pros and a coach on your "this team wouldn't take McDermott" list?!?!

 

 

[TH3]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

The Good

Our first half defensive game plan was excellent

DL played very physical

ED showed up, probably his best meaningful playoff game

Offensive line protected Allen

We mounted a running game against the best run defense in football

Answering the early score and controlling the ball 

Made no mistakes and forced 3 by them

 

The Bad

Offense went ultra conservative

Baltimore did whatever they wanted in the middle of the field

Baltimore did whatever they wanted in the 2nd half, we had no answers

Prevent on the TD at the end

Started to resemble the Houston playoff collapse before the dropped 2 pointer  

 

I mean, it's sort of telling when you have a 10 point half time lead, +3 in turnovers, and you still need to a dropped 2 point conversion at the end. It should have never been that close. 

I mean…they were playing the consensus most talented and top performing team….What every win is supposed to be a masterpiece? The other team is just as good at this point

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

This is so crazy.  Yes teams would love to have him as their HC.

 

Do you really think Dan Campbell and his 2 playoff wins in 4 years as a HC are above reproach and they wouldn't gladly take McD? Why because he has fun sound bites?

Zac Taylor and his 3 last place finishes in HIS OWN DIVISION and missing playoffs 4 of his 6 years are so much better than McD? Why because he made a super bowl once?

Harbaugh and his 4-7 playoff record with a 3 time MVP? Why because he won a super bowl 12 years ago?

 

Step outside of your fan bubble.  McD is one of the most successful coaches in the league. Since Allen has become Allen he has lost to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid who nobody would say he is better than.  Then the loss to the Bengals after a player on the team literally died on the field.

 

How am I on a Bills fan message board defending the HC as they prepare for the AFC championship game?!?!?  After just beating a team filled with All Pros and a coach on your "this team wouldn't take McDermott" list?!?!

 

 

 

Well said

[Chaos]

11 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

This is so crazy.  Yes teams would love to have him as their HC.

 

Do you really think Dan Campbell and his 2 playoff wins in 4 years as a HC are above reproach and they wouldn't gladly take McD? Why because he has fun sound bites?

Zac Taylor and his 3 last place finishes in HIS OWN DIVISION and missing playoffs 4 of his 6 years are so much better than McD? Why because he made a super bowl once?

Harbaugh and his 4-7 playoff record with a 3 time MVP? Why because he won a super bowl 12 years ago?

 

Step outside of your fan bubble.  McD is one of the most successful coaches in the league. Since Allen has become Allen he has lost to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid who nobody would say he is better than.  Then the loss to the Bengals after a player on the team literally died on the field.

 

How am I on a Bills fan message board defending the HC as they prepare for the AFC championship game?!?!?  After just beating a team filled with All Pros and a coach on your "this team wouldn't take McDermott" list?!?!

 

 

5 NFL coaches have won 1/3 of all Super Bowls combined  A total of 13 coaches account for 63% of all super bowl victories.  Since the super bowl started, there have been 315 head coaches.  4 percent of all those coaches have 63% of the Super Bowl wins.  Its not likely anyone mentioned in your post, will ever be added to that group of multiple super bowl winners.  Four percent suggests about 1 to 2 at a time. Andy Reid is already occupying that spot. There might be one left. 

[FireChans]

33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Of course. Because every team looking for a head coach sucks, and he would be a huge improvement and exactly what any of them need to right the ship and fix the culture.

 

The real question is: If there was an open HC spot on any of the TOP teams, would any of them hire McDermott?

 

If Reid has a massive coronary, do you think the Chiefs would want to replace him with McD?

If the Ravens fired Harbaugh, do you think McD would be what they are looking for to take the next step?

If the Lions lost Campbell, do they hire McD?

The Bengals?

Maybe the Eagles?

 

IMO, McD's sweet spot outside of Buffalo would be going back to Carolina and fixing that franchise in a very winnable division. Assuming Tepper could stay out of his way.

Or teams like the Bears, or even the Raiders.

McD would be hired immediately imo.

 

I don’t think the Bills would hire Sirianni, Taylor, Harbaugh or Campbell tbh.

[DrDawkinstein]

15 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

This is so crazy.  Yes teams would love to have him as their HC.

 

Do you really think Dan Campbell and his 2 playoff wins in 4 years as a HC are above reproach and they wouldn't gladly take McD? Why because he has fun sound bites?

Zac Taylor and his 3 last place finishes in HIS OWN DIVISION and missing playoffs 4 of his 6 years are so much better than McD? Why because he made a super bowl once?

Harbaugh and his 4-7 playoff record with a 3 time MVP? Why because he won a super bowl 12 years ago?

 

Step outside of your fan bubble.  McD is one of the most successful coaches in the league. Since Allen has become Allen he has lost to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid who nobody would say he is better than.  Then the loss to the Bengals after a player on the team literally died on the field.

 

How am I on a Bills fan message board defending the HC as they prepare for the AFC championship game?!?!?  After just beating a team filled with All Pros and a coach on your "this team wouldn't take McDermott" list?!?!

 

 

 

I didnt ask if he is better than Campbell or Taylor. I think he is as well.

 

The question is, if playoff teams suddenly found themselves with a HC vacancy, is he the candidate or type of candidate they would want?

 

Resume-wise, sure. But I'm not sure a Defensive-based, culture-sette is what established, successful teams are looking for in order to get them over the next step.

 

This isnt bashing on McD. No need to get so offended. You dont need to defend anyone.

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

McD would be hired immediately imo.

 

I don’t think the Bills would hire Sirianni, Taylor, Harbaugh or Campbell tbh.

 

Yes, McD would be hired IMMEDIATELY. Completely agree. By the Jets or Bears or Raiders, etc.

 

I dont think the Bills would hire any of those other guys either. The same way I dont think any other top 5 team would want to hire Siriani, Taylor, Campbell or McD.

 

Harbaugh is a Wild Card in this discussion since he already has a ring (regardless of how long ago) and has the name/pedigree.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I didnt ask if he is better than Campbell or Taylor. I think he is as well.

 

The question is, if playoff teams suddenly found themselves with a HC vacancy, is he the candidate or type of candidate they would want?

 

Resume-wise, sure. But I'm not sure a Defensive-based, culture-sette is what established, successful teams are looking for in order to get them over the next step.

 

This isnt bashing on McD. No need to get so offended. You dont need to defend anyone.

 

IMHO McD would be a top candidate for most teams if he had been available before any of the hiring took place.  He is highly respected around the league and has one of the best winning % in NFL history in his first gig as HC with a franchise that was inept for almost 2 decades before him.  And don't discount how important a culture shift is because its one of the hardest things to do in the NFL and its why so many hot OC candidates flame out as HC's.  

[Mikie2times]

6 minutes ago, TH3 said:

I mean…they were playing the consensus most talented and top performing team….What every win is supposed to be a masterpiece? The other team is just as good at this point

It was a big win, but as I said, very similar to the Houston playoff game. We almost gave it away and that shouldn't of happened. Saying that it needed to be a masterpiece is just stretching these statements out to make it look unrealistic. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

IMHO McD would be a top candidate for most teams if he had been available before any of the hiring took place.  He is highly respected around the league and has one of the best winning % in NFL history in his first gig as HC with a franchise that was inept for almost 2 decades before him.  And don't discount how important a culture shift is because its one of the hardest things to do in the NFL and its why so many hot OC candidates flame out as HC's.  

 

I dont disagree with anything youre saying. Which playoff team would love to swap their coach for him?

[McMuffin]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Yes, McD would be hired IMMEDIATELY. Completely agree. By the Jets or Bears or Raiders, etc.

Imo there would be some teams willing to get rid of their coaches to hire McDermott.  His resume is expanding with every playoff win.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, McMuffin said:

Imo there would be some teams willing to get rid of their coaches to hire McDermott.  His resume is expanding with every playoff win.  

 

Absolutely. Any playoff team in that group you are imagining?

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Yes, McD would be hired IMMEDIATELY. Completely agree. By the Jets or Bears or Raiders, etc.

 

I dont think the Bills would hire any of those other guys either. The same way I dont think any other top 5 team would want to hire Siriani, Taylor, Campbell or McD.

 

Harbaugh is a Wild Card in this discussion since he already has a ring (regardless of how long ago) and has the name/pedigree

I will ask you your question back. 
 

Do you think the top 5 would hire Harbaugh?

 

Maybe the Eagles but I think maybe the Eagles for McD too tbh

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, FireChans said:

I will ask you your question back. 
 

Do you think the top 5 would hire Harbaugh?

 

Maybe the Eagles but I think maybe the Eagles for McD too tbh

 

Could see the return to Philly. Lions could be in on both too.

 

Funny enough Harbaugh and McD come from the same tree. And IMO they're very similar, except for one thing...

 

The reason I dont have this discussion around Harbaugh is because he already has his Championship. As I've said a million times as a McD critic, win a Super Bowl and I'm fine with giving McD a lifetime contract to do whatever he wants however he wants.

 

If McD wins one this year, I'd love to be in the current Ravens situation. Being like "This guy has been here too long, but he did get us to the promise land so I guess he gets to stay as long as he wants". Win one, and McD could start every game by blowing all our Time Outs on Defense and I'd be like "There goes our Champ!". 🤣

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont disagree with anything youre saying. Which playoff team would love to swap their coach for him?

 

Kind of an odd question IMO...most playoff teams aren't wanting to swap their coaches at all, so its not like they are sitting over there going well fingers crossed McD gets fired so we can fire ours and hire him.  

 

But...when you have a playoff team, hiring a proven HC often has more allure than an unproven first time HC.  When you have a team ready to or close to being able to compete/win now, then its going to make a HC with a proven winning record and a reputation for locker room culture a very attractive option.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Nah, OP. Bro. Bro dude. Bro dawg.

 

It's the AFC Title game vs Kansas City. That's the statement game for McDermott.

[McMuffin]

23 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Absolutely. Any playoff team in that group you are imagining?

No playoff teams but there are teams that are playoff contenders that would make the move for McDermott imo.

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Kind of an odd question IMO...most playoff teams aren't wanting to swap their coaches at all, so its not like they are sitting over there going well fingers crossed McD gets fired so we can fire ours and hire him.  

 

But...when you have a playoff team, hiring a proven HC often has more allure than an unproven first time HC.  When you have a team ready to or close to being able to compete/win now, then its going to make a HC with a proven winning record and a reputation for locker room culture a very attractive option.

 

It is an odd question. In response to an odd statement "McD would get hired in a second".

 

Sure, of course he would. But what does that really say?

 

Does the fact that teams like the Panthers, Raiders, Jets, Browns, and any other perennial basement dweller hold any relevancy to the debate on whether McD can/will get us a Championship?

 

We are at a totally different level than a lot of other teams in the league. Therefore our coaching discussion is at a different level too. The fact he would (rightfully) get hired by SOME team doesnt really tell me anything I dont already know/believe.

 

The McD Riders throw this statement around like it should end all debate, since we arent allowed to have those higher level discussions around here without being labeled a "hater". But it isnt really relevant to what we're talking about.

 

So any playoff teams you could think of?

 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:35 PM by DrDawkinstein

[hondo in seattle]

Since McD arrived, I thought each season he either overperformed versus the roster strength, or performed about as expected, depending on the season you look at.  

 

I think he overperformed in the 2024 regular season.  If we hadn't sat our starters against the Pats, we would have finished the season with 14 wins.  Along the way, we defeated arguably the best two teams in the league.  Even with Josh, this isn't a 14-win roster with an average NFL coach.

 

And yesterday we beat a team with elite coaching that fielded a team loaded with All-Pros and Pro-Bowlers.  So already, at this point, he's overperformed in the playoffs this season.  

 

I hope he keeps overperforming all the way to the Lombardi.   But Lombardi or not, if McDermott resigned after the season, he'd instantly be the hottest commodity in the coaching market.  

 

Edited yesterday at 09:45 PM by hondo in seattle

[FireChans]

39 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Could see the return to Philly. Lions could be in on both too.

 

Funny enough Harbaugh and McD come from the same tree. And IMO they're very similar, except for one thing...

 

The reason I dont have this discussion around Harbaugh is because he already has his Championship. As I've said a million times as a McD critic, win a Super Bowl and I'm fine with giving McD a lifetime contract to do whatever he wants however he wants.

 

If McD wins one this year, I'd love to be in the current Ravens situation. Being like "This guy has been here too long, but he did get us to the promise land so I guess he gets to stay as long as he wants". Win one, and McD could start every game by blowing all our Time Outs on Defense and I'd be like "There goes our Champ!". 🤣

I mean it’s kind of illogical to let Harbaugh live off a single SB with a completely different staff, GM, QB, and roster 12 years ago. 

 

I get you would be okay with that kind of illogic (and so would I tbh) but I can admit it makes no sense. 
 

The Ravens fans as we know don’t agree. They think Harbaugh is wasting a generational QB and they have a point.

 

If McD wins a Super Bowl with Josh, Josh retires, everyone in the org leaves retires or is fired, and McD gets another HoF caliber QB and can’t break through, I would honestly really understand folks wanting him back on the hotseat.

 

Good HC’s can and do get fired. Much more often than they win Superbowls.

 

Do we think McVay has a 12 year rope when it comes to the Rams? Maybe. Should he? I’m honestly not sure.