Personally, this Ravens matchup is my "McDermott Game."

[Mikie2times]

16 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

 

McBeanes have won 70% of their games over the past 5+ years, so yep they have performed to Josh's QBR.   Success.  Not sure what your point is. 

 

F the tournament, to me that's another 3 or 4 games, BFD.   The problem is they are big publicity nationally televised games, and the networks (and therefore the league) need to pump them up as the be all end all of the NFL calendar to max out the viewership, ad money, which fills the league coffers and makes the whole thing go.  National games are what advertisers pay for.   All the tournament games are national games.   This is why the college football conference tournament and bowl game traditions were trashed in favor of a big nationally televised generic "playoff" tournament.   The B Ball "final 4" started it all years ago.   there's more $$ in it.  

 

 

We won what would be the league average with the QB play we have, certainly in division we have been in. Thats the point, and if you remember all division winners as far back as even two years ago, thats what it means. Sure it’s been a very enjoyable period to be a Bills fan, and you give that credit to McD and not Allen?

[SoMAn]

20 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

There needs to be more balance from both sides when it comes to the Sean McDermott debate.

 

I agree that some Bills fans go totally overboard, wanting to fire him every time he misses a replay challenge or makes a slightly questionable time management decision.  But I also don't think he should just get an unlimited leash for the rest of his career, like some people seem to suggest.  

 

Is Josh Allen one of the Top 2 quarterbacks in the entire NFL?  Is Brandon Beane one of the best GMs in the league?  If those things are both true, then why do we keep falling short of winning the Super Bowl?  Not just being the champion, but we are currently at 3 straight home losses in the Divisional Round (hopefully that breaks on Sunday evening).  For all our regular season success, we can't even seem to get the AFC top seed either.  It's either the talent or the coaching.  Can't have it both ways.

 

We all realize where this franchise was pre-2017.  We all realize what McDermott has helped build us into.  He's a great guy, the locker room clearly loves him, and I really want to see him succeed.  Winning the AFC East is much nicer than going back to the drought days.  But I'm not willing to just keep accepting second place forever.  It doesn't make me or anyone else an "idiot" for refusing to accept falling short.  The Bills absolutely MUST win a championship (and soon), or something needs to change.  

 

I think some of you don’t have a grasp on the difficulty of getting to, let alone winning a Super Bowl. There are several NFL coaches who have made Super Bowl appearances, some of whom have a Lombardi in the display case. McVay, Harbaugh, Payton, Tomlin among them. All great coaches, but multiple Super Bowl wins have been elusive. Did they suddenly suck at coaching?
Every year there are several outstanding coaches, some whom make the playoffs and some who don’t. 
Winning the big game is having everything come together in ‘the perfect storm’.  Coach, QB, GM, draft choices who contribute, and sometimes a little luck with the bounce of that weird ball. 

As a Bills’ fan, the last thing I’d want is an owner with a knee jerk reaction that would fire a coach like McDermott, only to start from scratch by gambling on another, probably with less experience. That’s a great recipe for a revolving door of coaches (and players) that get changed out every 2 or 3 years and brings back those nostalgic days of an extended playoff drought.  
Keep calling for a new coach. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

Edited Saturday at 06:15 PM by SoMAn

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

I think some of you don’t have a grasp on the difficulty of getting to, let alone winning a Super Bowl. There are several NFL coaches who have made Super Bowl appearances, some of whom have a Lombardi in the display case. McVay, Harbaugh, Payton, Tomlin among them. All great coaches, but multiple Super Bowl wins have been elusive. Did they suddenly suck at coaching?
Every year there are several outstanding coaches, some who make the playoffs and some who don’t. 
Winning the big game is having everything come together in ‘the perfect storm’.  Coach, QB, GM, draft choices who contribute, and sometimes a little luck with the bounce of that weird ball. 

As a Bills’ fan, the last thing I’d want is an owner with a knee jerk reaction that would fire a coach like McDermott, only to start from scratch by gambling on another, probably with less experience. That’s a great recipe for a revolving door of coaches (and players) that get changed our every 2 or 3 years and brings back those nostalgic days of an extended playoff drought.  
Keep calling for a new coach. Be careful what you wish for. 
 

 

Except he's choked it away even when everything did come together for him, like the 13 seconds game. Your coach's side of the ball and game management shouldn't be an anchor for your team to overcome to make it to the promised land, it should be a positive. It hasn't been for us. Even the Perfect Storm wasn't good enough for him. 

[SoMAn]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Except he's choked it away even when everything did come together for him, like the 13 seconds game. Your coach's side of the ball and game management shouldn't be an anchor for your team to overcome to make it to the promised land, it should be a positive. It hasn't been for us. Even the Perfect Storm wasn't good enough for him. 

Ok genius. Put on your GM hat. Who’s your new hire as Bills coach? 
Do you have an actual solution or are you just a whiner who’s all butt-hurt because your Bills lose in the playoff. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, CaseyatBat said:

yeah I know I was around for both of those losses but thanks for the recap

 

While you were sleeping?

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

Ok genius. Put on your GM hat. Who’s your new hire as Bills coach? 
Do you have an actual solution or are you just a whiner who’s all butt-hurt because your Bills lose in the playoff. 

Belichick. 
 

If we are going into this playoff gauntlet of Ravens then likely Chiefs then likely Eagles/Lions, who would you rather have coaching?

[SoMAn]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Belichick. 
 

If we are going into this playoff gauntlet of Ravens then likely Chiefs then likely Eagles/Lions, who would you rather have coaching?

I don’t dispute that Belichick has a brilliant defensive mind, but the reality is that his head coaching record without Brady is very average 82-97, a winning percentage of .463, far below McDermott’s win percentage. And oh yeah, zero Super Bowl appearances without Brady. 
Brady is arguably the GOAT. Josh was a raw prospect who needed some refining, and is now starting to show the maturity needed to be one of the best.  
Could the Bills win the Super Bowl with Josh and Belichick? I don’t know. I don’t really need to find out if hiring a 72-year-old coach to start over is a great idea. 
SMH 
 

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

I don’t dispute that Belichick has a brilliant defensive mind, but the reality is that his head coaching record without Brady is very average 82-97, a winning percentage of .463, far below McDermott’s win percentage. And oh yeah, zero Super Bowl appearances without Brady. 
Brady is arguably the GOAT. Josh was a raw prospect who needed some refining, and is now starting to show the maturity needed to be one of the best.  
Could the Bills win the Super Bowl with Josh and Belichick? I don’t know. I don’t really need to find out if hiring a 72-year-old coach to start over is a great idea. 
SMH 
 

I don't think comparing BB's record without Brady to McD's coaching record with Josh is very fair lol.

 

For example, McD's has a losing record without Josh.

 

McD has zero SB appearances without Josh.

 

The plan to hire BB would not be to "start over." It would be the exact opposite. It would be a short-term move to try get a ring while Josh is still in his physical prime.

[Gen2]

If I were the king of Two Bills Drive, I would require all posts advocating getting rid of the head coach to start with the paragraph of " I want to replace the head coach with (fill in the coach of your choice) because (said coach) has demonstrated a better handle of (whatever your pet peeve of the moment is).

 

I've seen too many teams changing coaching staffs like they change their underwear thinking the "next guy" is the answer only to repeat the process every year or two.

 

Don't identify problems ... provide solutions. 

[SoMAn]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I don't think comparing BB's record without Brady to McD's coaching record with Josh is very fair lol.

 

For example, McD's has a losing record without Josh.

 

McD has zero SB appearances without Josh.

 

The plan to hire BB would not be to "start over." It would be the exact opposite. It would be a short-term move to try get a ring while Josh is still in his physical prime.

Well, there you go! Hire Belichick and start planning the parade. 
No chance of mutiny by the players- you know the same loyal ones who came to McDs defense by winning 7 straight games after a writer dragged the coach in one of his columns. 
Does Belichick bring in McDaniels and the rest of his old NE staff, or does Joe Brady, Kromer, Babich and the rest of the staff send McD off with a one-finger salute while pinning their career onto the aging (aged) ex-Patriots coach? 
 

The level of stupidity is remarkable. 

[Mikie2times]

16 minutes ago, Gen2 said:

If I were the king of Two Bills Drive, I would require all posts advocating getting rid of the head coach to start with the paragraph of " I want to replace the head coach with (fill in the coach of your choice) because (said coach) has demonstrated a better handle of (whatever your pet peeve of the moment is).

 

I've seen too many teams changing coaching staffs like they change their underwear thinking the "next guy" is the answer only to repeat the process every year or two.

 

Don't identify problems ... provide solutions. 

You act like you haven’t heard about Ben Johnson or hell, even Joe Brady. Hire an offensive mind and you don’t need to lose your offensive mind every 2 years. Then the death grip McD has on this defense would open to a highly qualified coordinator. Eagles were one of the worst defenses in football last year. They made it a focus, hired Vic Fangio, and are one of the best units in football this year.
 

Sort of sick of this notion that we should be a ball control, TOP offense, while we build a defense that designed in the complete opposite mold. It doesn’t make sense to build one side with that vision and then expose your defense to the vulnerability you’re trying to take advantage of on offense. It’s an identity issue, but that’s what McD knows, so that’s who we will be.
 

This would be the most appealing destination of any opening in years. 

Edited Saturday at 07:30 PM by Mikie2times

[Buffalo03]

23 hours ago, Rigotz said:

[EDIT: Removing the part where I said McDermott is “at least average” because people are getting waaaay too focused on that. I simply meant his detractors would say he’s average.]
 

To me, this is the statement playoff game McDermott needs.

 

Round 1 over Denver was a huge defensive win. Holding them to 7 points was impressive.

In the 7 games prior to our Wild Card matchup, the Broncos had scored 29, 41, 31, 34, 24, and 38.

 

Round 2, we face a Ravens offense that has been dominant.

If McDermott shuts down the Ravens or at least holds them under 20'ish points, that's it for me. I'll stop talking about his job security.

 

No coach can shut down every elite QB and elite offense every year and yes, he's had some poor defensive performances in the playoffs.

 

However, if he gets it done this time, I've seen enough. Bring him back with open arms next year and probably again the following year.

 

Anybody else feel the same?

So, if we give up 30 and we still win and beat the Ravens, then McDermott's job is still on the line?

[MWK]

If we lose in the divisional for the 4th year in a row, he should be fired. Simple as that.

[Buffalo03]

22 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

There needs to be more balance from both sides when it comes to the Sean McDermott debate.

 

I agree that some Bills fans go totally overboard, wanting to fire him every time he misses a replay challenge or makes a slightly questionable time management decision.  But I also don't think he should just get an unlimited leash for the rest of his career, like some people seem to suggest.  

 

Is Josh Allen one of the Top 2 quarterbacks in the entire NFL?  Is Brandon Beane one of the best GMs in the league?  If those things are both true, then why do we keep falling short of winning the Super Bowl?  Not just being the champion, but we are currently at 3 straight home losses in the Divisional Round (hopefully that breaks on Sunday evening).  For all our regular season success, we can't even seem to get the AFC top seed either.  It's either the talent or the coaching.  Can't have it both ways.

 

We all realize where this franchise was pre-2017.  We all realize what McDermott has helped build us into.  He's a great guy, the locker room clearly loves him, and I really want to see him succeed.  Winning the AFC East is much nicer than going back to the drought days.  But I'm not willing to just keep accepting second place forever.  It doesn't make me or anyone else an "idiot" for refusing to accept falling short.  The Bills absolutely MUST win a championship (and soon), or something needs to change.  

 

Are you saying that if we keep falling short that Allen isn't a top 2 QB? You have seen his playoff stats correct?

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

We won what would be the league average with the QB play we have, certainly in division we have been in. Thats the point, and if you remember all division winners as far back as even two years ago, thats what it means. Sure it’s been a very enjoyable period to be a Bills fan, and you give that credit to McD and not Allen?

Having a QB who will put up 40+TDs on an annual basis is a very comfy spot from which to operate as a defensive HC

[FireChans]

42 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

Well, there you go! Hire Belichick and start planning the parade. 
No chance of mutiny by the players- you know the same loyal ones who came to McDs defense by winning 7 straight games after a writer dragged the coach in one of his columns. 
Does Belichick bring in McDaniels and the rest of his old NE staff, or does Joe Brady, Kromer, Babich and the rest of the staff send McD off with a one-finger salute while pinning their career onto the aging (aged) ex-Patriots coach? 
 

The level of stupidity is remarkable. 

Mutiny?

 

Coaches get fired all the time in the NFL. Players get cut. It's a business.

 

BB can choose to retain Brady/Kromer/Babich or let them go if he wants. Brady is gonna be gone sooner rather than later its looking like regardless. Babich is a rookie DC. You are putting a lot on these secondary coaches. How many OC's and DC's and OL coaches have we had to have our season end in the divisional round lol

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

We won what would be the league average with the QB play we have, certainly in division we have been in. Thats the point, and if you remember all division winners as far back as even two years ago, thats what it means. Sure it’s been a very enjoyable period to be a Bills fan, and you give that credit to McD and not Allen?

The evidence of McDermott's impact without peak Allen (2017-2019).  Preseason expectations versus actual results shows me he's at minimum an above average NFL head coach.

 

2017:  preseason over/under - 5.5.   Wins - 9

2018:  preseason over/under - 6.5.  Wins - 7

2019:  preseason over/under-  7.5    Wins - 10

 

Most of the credit should go to Allen for the Bills season success but to suggest McDermott has little to do with the run of six straight double digit win seasons is  insulting towards McDermott imo.  It's the postseason where he deserves all the heat that's coming his way if the Bills lose this Sunday.

[Buffalo03]

21 hours ago, jaybeezee said:

We know enough to know when we get bounced every year that it's time for a change. Great teams have done it in the past and won titles. It might be what we have to do as well. 

 

Or we can continue to waste Josh Allen in his prime and run the excuse that " it's hard to win in the NFL" while we have some noodle armed QB running the show when Josh retires. Let's not forget that this is the same coach tgat thought it was best to start Petterman in a playoff game.  Then bring him back tge next season as well.

When the hell did he decide to start Peterman in a playoff game?

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Are you saying that if we keep falling short that Allen isn't a top 2 QB? You have seen his playoff stats correct?

I think he's saying the coach, GM and QB can't be all among the best in the league when we have played in 1 AFCCG in a blowout loss in the last 5 seasons.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The evidence of McDermott's impact without peak Allen (2017-2019).  Preseason expectations versus actual results shows me he's at minimum an above average NFL head coach.

 

2017:  preseason over/under - 5.5.   Wins - 9

2018:  preseason over/under - 6.5.  Wins - 7

2019:  preseason over/under-  7.5    Wins - 10

 

Most of the credit should go to Allen for the Bills season success but to suggest McDermott has little to do with the run of six straight double digit win seasons is  insulting towards McDermott imo.  It's the postseason where he deserves all the heat that's coming his way if the Bills lose this Sunday.

2019 Allen took off. I give him some credit, but to look at this like it doesn’t work without him just not accurate. It doesn’t work with Allen. What McD gives us is replaceable.