Comparing this game to Bengals playoff game

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Nothing based on anything real exists to support this statement

Did you not watch the 2022 Bills?

 

You came out of that regular season/ that wild card game barely beating Skylar Thompson, thinking that they were a legit Super Bowl contender?

[Bills aPHILLYate]

58 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

My word is “annoying” but intriguing is a good one too 

Gotta be PC 😂

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Did you not watch the 2022 Bills?

 

You came out of that regular season/ that wild card game barely beating Skylar Thompson, thinking that they were a legit Super Bowl contender?

 

The first half of Year 22 bills were easily the best team in the NFL. They were on fire. Once Allen/ Miller got hurt, and Dorsey had some growing pains as an OC along with a million other things, it was obvious they weren't going far in the 22 playoff. 

 

The interior oline was absolutely a liability. They were still a top 6-7 team at the end. But that's still not a legitimate Superbowl contender 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

The first half of Year 22 bills were easily the best team in the NFL. They were on fire. Once Allen/ Miller got hurt, and Dorsey had some growing pains as an OC along with a million other things, it was obvious they weren't going far in the 22 playoff. 

 

The interior oline was absolutely a liability. They were still a top 6-7 team at the end. But that's still not a legitimate Superbowl contender 

The first half of the year, 100 percent agreed.

 

But it was obvious towards the end of the year that they were going nowhere.

 

Wasnt it Jerry Sullivan who said the awkward offence statement to Josh towards the end of the year when he told him- "this doesn't look like a Super Bowl offence".

 

He is a jerk, but he was right.

 

That 2022 team was cursed, and anyone who feels the same coming out of that Skylar Thompson playoff win, to the team we have now, I would respectfully question their memory/judgement

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

The first half of the year, 100 percent agreed.

 

But it was obvious towards the end of the year that they were going nowhere.

 

Wasnt it Jerry Sullivan who said the awkward offence statement to Josh towards the end of the year when he told him- "this doesn't look like a Super Bowl offence".

 

He is a jerk, but he was right.

 

That 2022 team was cursed, and anyone who feels the same coming out of that Skylar Thompson playoff win, to the team we have now, I would respectfully question their memory/judgement

 

Sullivan could be a butthead and abrasive, but he always told the truth. 

 

His article post Super bowl 25 was spot on and I still have it in my sports collection. 

 

The 22 bills is called terrible luck. It happens and I'm proud of the way they fought still. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Ok, in the cancelled regular season game, we were being rag dolled by Cincy.  They looked like the better team, and proved it in the playoff game.  Just one TD for the good guys and running game was nothing.  Fast forward, Ravens stomped us this year.  There may be some similarities, but I think Cincy had a better D than purple burds, and our team this year is better than the 2022 version.  Thoughts anyone?

 

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

2022 bills team were paper tigers for a lot of the year. (Even though they had a bunch of wins)

 

2024 bills team is a legit Super Bowl contender.

 

I don't see any similarities, respectfully 

 

 

The 2022 team was so tanked by the end of the year.

 

I have difficulty of even comparing it with anything else in this teams history.

 

This year is different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

This time Hamlin catches Henry from behind !!

[Mikie2times]

32 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Did you not watch the 2022 Bills?

 

You came out of that regular season/ that wild card game barely beating Skylar Thompson, thinking that they were a legit Super Bowl contender?

Hindsight is the great equalizer. If we get stomped by the Ravens, we will look back and claim the Rams game or the first Ravens game was a lot more telling than we initially believed. The reality is this is a flawed team, just as the 2022 team was. A HOF QB does a lot to make a flawed team look a lot better. Some differences exist between the two squads but it would be nearly impossible to say one is signifgantly better. Just like it would be impossible to say what will come from the Ravens game this year (which I give us more of a chance in than the Bengals game). 

[BillsFan130]

20 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Hindsight is the great equalizer. If we get stomped by the Ravens, we will look back and claim the Rams game or the first Ravens game was a lot more telling than we initially believed. The reality is this is a flawed team, just as the 2022 team was. A HOF QB does a lot to make a flawed team look a lot better. Some differences exist between the two squads but it would be nearly impossible to say one is signifgantly better. Just like it would be impossible to say what will come from the Ravens game this year (which I give us more of a chance in than the Bengals game). 

Im Not  talking about hindsight- I knew in mid December that team was going nowhere. And I knew after they beat Skylar Thompson by a field goal, that they were going to lose to Cinci. 
 

You are telling me that you didn't, and you felt the same in 2022 after the wild card game to where this team is now? 
 

It's not even close. Will the bills lose to the ravens?  possible as they are a juggernaut.

 

But I would bet a large amount of money they they aren't gonna lose by 17 and get dominated 

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFan130

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

We had the #1 DVOA in the NFL in 2022

 

This year, we have the 4th rated DVOA and we beat a Chiefs team before they hit playoff stride, as we have multiple times in the past and a Lions team that was so decimated by injury on defense that they nearly allowed a 40 banger to Brock Purdy the following week. Those wins are solid wins, but to position them as reasons we are somehow different than 2022, a year which we actually dominated by a larger margin is just pure Bills fan folly. Hilariously inaccurate and misguided. 

Other than stats a case can be made that that D had more talent (Edmunds, Milano, TJ, Poyer, White), but this D has shown signs of playing the system better, and our OL has more talent to give the D more rest.

[billsfan89]

I think people forgot just how much the 2022 season was the “season from hell” in many ways for the Bills.

The offseason contained the Topps shooting which rocked the community. During Training camp Dawson Knox’s younger brother passes away tragically. In season Buffalo had a tragic snow storm that (I believe) was the deadliest or among the deadliest in the cities history that impacted the team as well. There was a game relocated due to the storm while the team had a flu/Covid outbreak. Then there was the storm in and around Christmas which caused the team to reroute travel plans.

 

That all happened before the team had to deal with the DeMar Hamlin situation which was very traumatic for the team. That’s in addition to a worse than average injuries situation.

 

The Bills just were insanely overmatched in that playoffs. This years team is just not comparable to 2022 on and off the field 

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We only beat 2 teams with winning records in the regular season, that’s paper tigerish.

Giving KC their only loss (without their backups), and going on the road and beating the 15-2 Lions is paper tiger ish to you?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

We had the #1 DVOA in the NFL in 2022

 

This year, we have the 4th rated DVOA and we beat a Chiefs team before they hit playoff stride, as we have multiple times in the past and a Lions team that was so decimated by injury on defense that they nearly allowed a 40 banger to Brock Purdy the following week. Those wins are solid wins, but to position them as reasons we are somehow different than 2022, a year which we actually dominated by a larger margin is just pure Bills fan folly. Hilariously inaccurate and misguided. 

Lol making excuses for the bills opponents to cheapen two wins against 15-2 teams then calling the other person misguided.  Riiiiight 

 

I think this ‘chiefs playoff stride’ thing is absolute utter nonsense, those bills chiefs games are full playoff atmosphere with both teams emptying the tank and like the playoff games they could each go either way easily and that’s even before factoring in them having an undefeated season on the line.  
Chiefs definitely sleepwalk at times in the regular season but never in huge games like that. They have honestly usually looked their worst to close out the season and sharp earlier so I’m not even sure what a late regular season ‘playoff stride’ even looks like for them.  

 

But while we’re on the topic of playing your best football at the best time, that 2022 bills team just didn’t feel like it was doing it and many posters called it out not just the usual negative suspects lol I don’t think an advanced total season metric like dvoa really could’ve caught that situation well 

48 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Hindsight is the great equalizer. If we get stomped by the Ravens, we will look back and claim the Rams game or the first Ravens game was a lot more telling than we initially believed. The reality is this is a flawed team, just as the 2022 team was. A HOF QB does a lot to make a flawed team look a lot better. Some differences exist between the two squads but it would be nearly impossible to say one is signifgantly better. Just like it would be impossible to say what will come from the Ravens game this year (which I give us more of a chance in than the Bengals game). 

I’ve got no issue with the hindsight point at all it could certainly go down like that.  I doubt we get our a** beat like we did against cincy though.  I think the cracks were a lot clearer late in the 2022 season though…even the offense was struggling against mediocre opponents.  This year I can see a path to things going differently especially with us seemingly doing a bit of load management on the defensive side.
 

Getting stuck with aj klein against kc seemed to be a big wake up call and it feels like we were really cautious with defensive injuries because of it.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mikie2times]

30 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Other than stats a case can be made that that D had more talent (Edmunds, Milano, TJ, Poyer, White), but this D has shown signs of playing the system better, and our OL has more talent to give the D more rest.

It's not even a conversation, statistically it's no comparison. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Im Not  talking about hindsight- I knew in mid December that team was going nowhere. And I knew after they beat Skylar Thompson by a field goal, that they were going to lose to Cinci. 
 

You are telling me that you didn't, and you felt the same in 2022 after the wild card game to where this team is now? 
 

It's not even close. Will the bills lose to the ravens?  possible as they are a juggernaut.

 

But I would bet a large amount of money they they aren't gonna lose by 17 and get dominated 

We are one incredible Ty Johnson TD pass on 4th down from Denver having the ball down 3 in the 3rd quarter. The entire game swung on that single play. We had the Patriots come into Buffalo and largely dominant the game as other cellar dwellers have against us only for turnovers to eventually swing it in our favor. This team is very flawed, as was the one in 2022. It lacks top end talent, made up for with a HOF QB and a weak division. Paper tiger both seasons. 

10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Lol making excuses for the bills opponents to cheapen two wins against 15-2 teams then calling the other person misguided.  Riiiiight 

 

I think this ‘chiefs playoff stride’ thing is absolute utter nonsense, those bills chiefs games are full playoff atmosphere with both teams emptying the tank and like the playoff games they could each go either way easily and that’s even before factoring in them having an undefeated season on the line.  
Chiefs definitely sleepwalk at times in the regular season but never in huge games like that. They have honestly usually looked their worst to close out the season and sharp earlier so I’m not even sure what a late regular season ‘playoff stride’ even looks like for them.  

 

But while we’re on the topic of playing your best football at the best time, that 2022 bills team just didn’t feel like it was doing it and many posters called it out not just the usual negative suspects lol I don’t think an advanced total season metric like dvoa really could’ve caught that situation well 

I’ve got no issue with the hindsight point at all it could certainly go down like that.  I doubt we get our a** beat like we did against cincy though.  I think the cracks were a lot clearer late in the 2022 season though…even the offense was struggling against mediocre opponents.  This year I can see a path to things going differently especially with us seemingly doing a bit of load management on the defensive side.
 

Getting stuck with aj klein against kc seemed to be a big wake up call and it feels like we were really cautious with defensive injuries because of it.  

The 4th DVOA rank is the lowest we have had in the 2020's

Edited 2 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Governor]

You guys are highly underrating the Ravens defense. It’s a lot better than ours.

[BillsFan130]

16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

It's not even a conversation, statistically it's no comparison. 

 

 

We are one incredible Ty Johnson TD pass on 4th down from Denver having the ball down 3 in the 3rd quarter. The entire game swung on that single play. We had the Patriots come into Buffalo and largely dominant the game as other cellar dwellers have against us only for turnovers to eventually swing it in our favor. This team is very flawed, as was the one in 2022. It lacks top end talent, made up for with a HOF QB and a weak division. Paper tiger both seasons. 

The 4th DVOA rank is the lowest we have had in the 2020's

The bills absolutely dominated that Denver game and you know that.

 

I can also say we were one Dawson Knox/josh Allen mis communication away from getting another TD. Or what if Vinovich doesn't miss the blatant hold against Kincaid in the end zone that took another 4 points off the board?
 

Can't play the "what if game". It was an ass kicking all around, and even the biggest broncos homers would admit that.

 

Yes bills are flawed on the D line- Not denying they don't have flaws. (Every team has flaws). But objectively this team is way better than 2022, and that was my main point 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by BillsFan130

[HomeskillitMoorman]

The one comparison is I don't really expect much of an adjustment to be made defensively unfortunately. I think Josh will have to wear the cape but don't think he'll have a game like the Bengals one that's really his only postseason clunker. 

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

The bills absolutely dominated that Denver game and you know that.

 

I can also say we were one Dawson Knox/josh Allen mis communication away from getting another TD. Or what if Vinovich doesn't miss the blatant hold against Kincaid in the end zone?
 

Can't play the "what if game". It was an ass kicking all around, and even the biggest broncos homers would admit that.

 

Yes bills are flawed on the D line- Not denying they don't have flaws. (Every team has flaws). But objectively this team is way better than 2022, and that was my main point 

 

 

Statistically they're not better which means objectively they're aren't better. If you want to say your feelings are X that is fine, perhaps they're subjectively better, but what you feel means nothing to what is real and isn't real. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Pete]

5 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Ok, in the cancelled regular season game, we were being rag dolled by Cincy.  They looked like the better team, and proved it in the playoff game.  Just one TD for the good guys and running game was nothing.  Fast forward, Ravens stomped us this year.  There may be some similarities, but I think Cincy had a better D than purple burds, and our team this year is better than the 2022 version.  Thoughts anyone?

Why are you bringing negative energy?  The Bills are awesome!  Enjoy!

[Ga boy]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

Why are you bringing negative energy?  The Bills are awesome!  Enjoy!

Oh my Pete, the OP says this team is better with possibility of better results even with a porous D.  Btw, I am enjoying this awesome team 🦬