leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 16 Posted January 16 41 minutes ago, T master said: WTH does that or does she have to do with anything i put in that post . SQUIRREL Good point, though WTH does a squirrel have to do with my post? Don't confuse the confused! 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Fergie prefers Cuba and all that comes with it. They run the nicest HCE (Harassment, Censorship and Exile) program in the hemisphere, and haven't supported international terrorism since the late summer. It’s a beautiful island, a quick plane ride and inexpensive. The people are awesome, the beaches immaculate and uncrowded, the 20 yo rum amazing and the cigars are the best in the world. What’s not to like? cut out the embargo and everything gets even better, especially for Cubans. They’ve agreed to release political prisoners which as a human rights issue is problematic ( before the release). If they want to support Maduro because they get oil from Venezuela it’s not affecting me. But if they could buy oil elsewhere that might go away too: chicken and egg. How is it that MAGAs are fine with letting Ukraine fall to the Russians but are afraid of a little Caribbean island with very little economic, political or military clout? Isn't the entire philosophy based on what is best for America? What's best for me is another awesome place to vacation... Edited January 16 by Joe Ferguson forever
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16 Posted January 16 2 hours ago, T master said: WTH does that or does she have to do with anything i put in that post . SQUIRREL it has a lot to do with Rubio. Cuba is a personal issue to him and to a great many Cuban Americans in and around Miami. They represent a very important voting block in Fla. And the vast majority of them hold a 75 year grudge against Cuba.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 16 Posted January 16 14 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: It’s a beautiful island, a quick plane ride and inexpensive. The people are awesome, the beaches immaculate and uncrowded, the 20 yo rum amazing and the cigars are the best in the world. What’s not to like? cut out the embargo and everything gets even better, especially for Cubans. They’ve agreed to release political prisoners which as a human rights issue is problematic ( before the release. If they want to support Maduro because they get oil from Venezuela it’s not affecting me. But if they could buy oil elsewhere that might go away too: chicken and egg. Again-- I figured the harassment, censorship and exile, coupled with the support of international terrorism falls into the 'what not to like' category. But I can understand if I was a wealthy liberal, courted to support the existing regime and kept away from the poverty and harsh life of many Cuban people, I might feel the utopian version offered as 'real life' might be appealing.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Again-- I figured the harassment, censorship and exile, coupled with the support of international terrorism falls into the 'what not to like' category. But I can understand if I was a wealthy liberal, courted to support the existing regime and kept away from the poverty and harsh life of many Cuban people, I might feel the utopian version offered as 'real life' might be appealing. they pose no threat. MAGA is all about what's best for Americans. Another beautiful nearby vacation spot is best for many Americans. We could sell them a great many goods. Should we put an embargo on Vietnam? Last I knew Americans could vacation there as tourists. This is all about the Cuban American voting block and pols like Cruz and Rubio. I would argue that their interests here are not the same as the nations interests. Edited January 16 by Joe Ferguson forever
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted Thursday at 07:58 PM Posted Thursday at 07:58 PM (edited) 28 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: they pose no threat. MAGA is all about what's best for Americans. Another beautiful nearby vacation spot is best for many Americans. We could sell them a great many goods. Should we put an embargo on Vietnam? Last I knew Americans could vacation there as tourists. This is all about the Cuban American voting block and pols like Cruz and Rubio. I would argue that their interests here are not the same as the nations interests. I believe in voting for the candidate that represents the best option for my country and my family, understanding that a give and take is often part of the process. From my perspective, you seem pretty fixated on all the good stuff you (as a wealthy American) can get on the backs of the less fortunate in places like Cuba--cigars, beaches devoid of actual Cubans, and cheap rum at a reasonable price. With respect to Rubio, it was the Biden admin who pointed out how the Cuban government had paused support for international terrorism for a full six months. I can only point out that by default, the Biden admin is acknowledging that 6 mos and a day before that, the government was actively supporting people/groups that most certainly did not have the best interests of Americans in mind. I think that is the very definition of 'posing a threat'. I guess I would acknowledge that having a freebie cheap place to go to a beach is not worth partnering with a government that supports terrorism which most definitely is not in our best interest. From there, of course, it's on brand for the government to harass, censor and exile dissidents, which seems to be of no interest to you as long as the beaches are nice. Edited Thursday at 08:01 PM by leh-nerd skin-erd 1
JDHillFan Posted Thursday at 08:02 PM Posted Thursday at 08:02 PM 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: What's best for me is another awesome place to vacation... https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/07/11/cuba-crackdown-protests-creates-rights-crisis good for you, I guess
sherpa Posted Thursday at 09:17 PM Posted Thursday at 09:17 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: It’s a beautiful island, a quick plane ride and inexpensive. The people are awesome, the beaches immaculate and uncrowded, the 20 yo rum amazing and the cigars are the best in the world. What’s not to like? cut out the embargo and everything gets even better, especially for Cubans. They’ve agreed to release political prisoners which as a human rights issue is problematic ( before the release). If they want to support Maduro because they get oil from Venezuela it’s not affecting me. But if they could buy oil elsewhere that might go away too: chicken and egg. How is it that MAGAs are fine with letting Ukraine fall to the Russians but are afraid of a little Caribbean island with very little economic, political or military clout? Isn't the entire philosophy based on what is best for America? What's best for me is another awesome place to vacation... I find your "visit" posts to be humerous. This isn't the first time you have done this. I recall you visited the UK a couple of years ago and informed us on the way they think. Are you serious? Tourists know nothing of value in a brief trip. Want to know about Cuba? Talk to the people in the US diplomatic mission there. People who have lived and worked there for years, not some clown from a charter flight or cruise ship. I have no objection to eliminating the embargo, but I have been there quite a few times and carried many people and their spouses that serve in that diplomatic corps, and they might have a different opinion than you. Edited Thursday at 09:19 PM by sherpa 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Thursday at 11:15 PM Posted Thursday at 11:15 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, sherpa said: I find your "visit" posts to be humerous. This isn't the first time you have done this. I recall you visited the UK a couple of years ago and informed us on the way they think. Are you serious? Tourists know nothing of value in a brief trip. Want to know about Cuba? Talk to the people in the US diplomatic mission there. People who have lived and worked there for years, not some clown from a charter flight or cruise ship. I have no objection to eliminating the embargo, but I have been there quite a few times and carried many people and their spouses that serve in that diplomatic corps, and they might have a different opinion than you. F off. Been to England at least a dozen times. Cuba was a university trip led by a social scientist who teaches about Latin America and Cuba. Another similar group from U Kansas' simultaneous trip was also organized by the same tour company (based in Cambridge, Mass). All the tour operators had at least relevant undergrad degrees and spoke excellent English. Would a visitor to NYC need a government attache from their embassy to let them glean the flavor of the place in 10 days? The point is, I'm an american and I want what's best for me. And what's best for me is being able to visit Cuba as aa tourist and for them to have the embargo eased enough so they can regularly pick up the garbage in the street, at least when I visit. It's about freedom!...for me to have a nice time in Cuba. I thought for sure you'd agree.... Edited Thursday at 11:20 PM by Joe Ferguson forever
sherpa Posted Thursday at 11:37 PM Posted Thursday at 11:37 PM 13 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: F off. Glad to, as I'm not interested. I have no desire to continue the Cuban policy. What I will point out is that the Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden administrations have maintained the status quo, for their own reasons. You know better. Visiting beaches isn't talking to diplomatic mission people. Been there. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Thursday at 11:40 PM Posted Thursday at 11:40 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: Glad to, as I'm not interested. I have no desire to continue the Cuban policy. What I will point out is that the Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden administrations have maintained the status quo, for their own reasons. You know better. Visiting beaches isn't talking to diplomatic mission people. Been there. Those 2 days, we were doing oceanographic research! it was mesmerizing. The coeds were almost all in Bikinis. So why did Clinton drop the embargo on Vietnam 19 years after the war?? And all the POTUS' after him leave it alone? I think the big reason for the embargo continuing thru those admins (x Obama) is the Florida electorate. Been crucial in elections for decades. Edited Thursday at 11:43 PM by Joe Ferguson forever
B-Man Posted Thursday at 11:55 PM Author Posted Thursday at 11:55 PM You know, I am going to go with Marco Rubio's viewpoint on Cuba. Not anyone here. Including me. 1
sherpa Posted Thursday at 11:56 PM Posted Thursday at 11:56 PM By the way, did your tour group ever consider that the reason the issue still exists is because the Cuban gov wants it to? "Cause if the status quo was changed there would be no need for them? This is ridiculous.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Friday at 12:20 AM Posted Friday at 12:20 AM (edited) 29 minutes ago, sherpa said: By the way, did your tour group ever consider that the reason the issue still exists is because the Cuban gov wants it to? "Cause if the status quo was changed there would be no need for them? This is ridiculous. They jumped at the chance to get off the terrorist list. but that doesn’t matter. I want the freedom to visit Cuba. And to not get a covid shot….but I did get a typhoid vax and an updated Tdap. Oh, and I actually am up to date on my Covid. But I have the freedom not to be…. But not the freedom to go to Cuba. just considering which choice is the bigger risk to my fellow Americans; not getting vaccinated in the midst of a pandemic or visiting Cuba as a tourist… see the logic? Edited Friday at 12:26 AM by Joe Ferguson forever
JDHillFan Posted Friday at 12:41 AM Posted Friday at 12:41 AM 20 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: They jumped at the chance to get off the terrorist list. but that doesn’t matter. I want the freedom to visit Cuba. And to not get a covid shot….but I did get a typhoid vax and an updated Tdap. Oh, and I actually am up to date on my Covid. But I have the freedom not to be…. But not the freedom to go to Cuba. just considering which choice is the bigger risk to my fellow Americans; not getting vaccinated in the midst of a pandemic or visiting Cuba as a tourist… see the logic? Time to alter the meds
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Friday at 12:58 AM Posted Friday at 12:58 AM 14 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said: Time to alter the meds yes, parroting MAGA's can cause short lived delirium.
JDHillFan Posted Friday at 01:14 AM Posted Friday at 01:14 AM 13 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: yes, parroting MAGA's can cause short lived delirium. Like the unhinged young Roundy, it’s clear that all the losing has taken a toll on you. Hang tough, big guy.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Friday at 02:00 AM Posted Friday at 02:00 AM 39 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said: Like the unhinged young Roundy, it’s clear that all the losing has taken a toll on you. Hang tough, big guy. I’m resigned to the fact that a bit more than 1/2 of Americans are morons and/or sociopaths. Until that changes, I’ll proceed accordingly. No coping needed. Just some shites and giggles gigging the aforementioned.
JDHillFan Posted Friday at 02:20 AM Posted Friday at 02:20 AM 15 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I’m resigned to the fact that a bit more than 1/2 of Americans are morons and/or sociopaths. Until that changes, I’ll proceed accordingly. No coping needed. Just some shites and giggles gigging the aforementioned. You’ve been wrong so many times. I’m sure it’s embarrassing. People with your views are the reason that Donald Trump is now president. That essentially makes you a loser, doesn’t it?
reddogblitz Posted Friday at 07:14 PM Posted Friday at 07:14 PM On 1/16/2025 at 10:47 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: It’s a beautiful island, a quick plane ride and inexpensive. The people are awesome, the beaches immaculate and uncrowded, the 20 yo rum amazing and the cigars are the best in the world. What’s not to like? cut out the embargo and everything gets even better, especially for Cubans. They’ve agreed to release political prisoners which as a human rights issue is problematic ( before the release). If they want to support Maduro because they get oil from Venezuela it’s not affecting me. But if they could buy oil elsewhere that might go away too: chicken and egg. How is it that MAGAs are fine with letting Ukraine fall to the Russians but are afraid of a little Caribbean island with very little economic, political or military clout? Isn't the entire philosophy based on what is best for America? What's best for me is another awesome place to vacation... Sounds fun. Did you get to see any live music while there? I hear it is really good. The coolest thing about Cuba I can tell from just seeing pictures etc is they still drive around 1950s Chevrolets. Those are awesome.
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