T master Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Lombardi - 2 - SB's as Packers HC but 5 total including his 2 SB's Bill Belichek - 6 - HC for the Pats for 24 seasons Chuck Noll - 4 - HC for the Steelers for 23 seasons Joe Gibbs - 3 - HC for the Redskins in total 16 season Bill Walsh - 3 - HC for the 49ers for 10 seasons Andy Reid - 2 - HC for the Chiefs for 12 seasons Tom Coughlin - 2 - HC for the Giants for 12 seasons Mike Shanahan - 2 - HC for the Bronco's for 14 seasons Jimmy Johnson - 2 - HC for the Cowboys for 5 seasons George Seifert - 2 - HC for the 49ers for 8 seasons but inherited his team from Walsh Bill Parcels - 2 - HC for the Giants for 19 seasons Tom Flores- 2 - HC for the Raiders for 9 seasons Tom Landry - 2 - HC for the Cowboys for 29 seasons Don Shula - 2 - HC of Dolphins - 26 seasons Webe Ewbank - 1 - HC of the Jets - 11 seasons Hank Stram - 1 - HC of Chiefs - 15 seasons John Madden - 1 - HC Raiders - 10 seasons Mike Ditka - 1 - HC Da Bears - 10 seasons Barry Switzer - 1 - Cowboys - 4 seasons Mike Holmgren - 1 - Packers - 7 seasons Dick Vermeil - 1 - Rams - 3 seasons Brian Billick - 1 - Ravens - 9 seasons Jon Gruden - 1 - Bucs - with Dungy's team - 7 seasons Bill Cowher - 1 - Steelers - 15 seasons Tony Dungy - 1 - Colts - 7 seasons Mike Tomlin - 1 - Steelers - 16 seasons Sean Payton - 1 - Saints - 16 seasons Mike McCarthy - 1 - Packers - 13 seasons John Harbaugh - 1 - Ravens - 16 seasons Pete Carrol - 1 - Sea Hawks - 14 seasons Gary Kubiak - 1 - Broncos - 11 seasons Doug Peterson - 1 - Eagles - 5 seasons Bruce Arians - 1 - Bucs - 3 seasons So my reasons for looking into all of these HC's and their tenure with the teams that they won a SB Championship with is for all of you McD haters !! And out of all of these winning SB - HC's 7 of them won their SB's in less than 7 seasons and of those 7 only 3 won their SB's in less time but Gruden, & Switzer, inherited really good teams & Seifert also inherited a really good team and none of them had to build the team on their own . Plus each one of these HC's that won a SB had many years as a coordinator on other teams working their way up to being a HC in the NFL which i didn't look up exactly how long they were in total not in their HC-ing position, I also didn't look to see how many division championships or play off appearances they had before making it to the big game . You could also go and see how many seasons it took them to get to the SB if you would like to add to this post but it is very VERY seldom in NFL history that a HC has taken over a team and with in a couple or 3 seasons became a SB winner, it just takes time so CHILL OUT haters ... So all of you haters need to read these facts and give McD a break ! For only being a HC for 8 seasons he's doing pretty dam good i'd say and either this year or in time i think he will bring a SB to Buffalo !! GO BILLS !!! 2 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Only 8 years? with the best QB in the NFL? with a top Offense and Defense each year? the average tenure for an NFL HC is 3.2 years. McVay won it within 5 (another SB before that within 2). Arians won it within 2. Tomlin within 3. Walsh within 3. Johnson 2 within 5 years. Vermeil within 3. Payton within 4. Carroll within 4. Kubiak in 1 year. Billick within 2 years. Harbaugh within 5. Gruden immediately. Seifert twice within 5. Holmgren within 4. Dungy within 5. That's a lot of HC's with rings in less than 7 years. Sure, some "inherited" solid rosters...but the Bills have provided McD with solid rosters for several seasons now... 2 Quote
MJS Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) None of it really means anything. Every situation is completely unique. There are reasons the Bills haven't won it yet. 1) The Chiefs. They are a dominant franchise and the Bills have to go through them, just like everyone else. 2) Defensive injuries. The defense has been decimated with injuries in the playoffs games. They are healthy this year, so let's hope it stays that way. 3) Bad luck. Sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way. 4) Failures in critical situations. By both coaches and players. 5) Lack of talent. For as good as the team does in the regular season, they have very few pro bowl or all pro players, if any, outside of Josh Allen. Allen and the coaches produce a very high ceiling, but lack of elite talent, like a top pass rusher, hurts you in those critical moments. The Bills have had good depth and decent to good starters, but lack the big time players to make the big time plays in those big time moments (besides Josh). I've always said that you need 3 truly elite players, and 1 of them has to be the QB. Well, the Bills have only 1. They've had 2 when Diggs was here. Could have been 3, but Von got hurt. I really don't care about historical precedence like this. It means nothing. It is not a predictor of future success. Many of the greatest QBs didn't win it all until their 30s. It doesn't matter. Just go do your best every year and get a ring however you can. Maybe we move on from McDermott some day. Maybe not. For now, he is here, and he is a good coach. Edited 7 hours ago by MJS 1 2 Quote
The Cincinnati Kid Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Every year a HC wins a Super Bowl. Oh! A squirrel! 3 1 Quote
MJS Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 2 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said: Every year a HC wins a Super Bowl. Oh! A squirrel! But I heard that if your coach is in his 8th year, you get disqualified and the next team gets in. 1 Quote
T master Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Only 8 years? with the best QB in the NFL? with a top Offense and Defense each year? the average tenure for an NFL HC is 3.2 years. McVay won it within 5 (another SB before that within 2). Arians won it within 2. Tomlin within 3. Walsh within 3. Johnson 2 within 5 years. Vermeil within 3. Payton within 4. Carroll within 4. Kubiak in 1 year. Billick within 2 years. Harbaugh within 5. Gruden immediately. Seifert twice within 5. Holmgren within 4. Dungy within 5. That's a lot of HC's with rings in less than 7 years. Sure, some "inherited" solid rosters...but the Bills have provided McD with solid rosters for several seasons now... Good points all but there is one thing i think all of us aren't putting into the equation and that is, How many championships did the Bulls win with Jordan ? Mahomes has been called the Micheal Jordan of the NFL and as long as he's around it's not going to be or get any easier ! In Jordan's case just like the Chiefs they have 1 of if not the best player at the QB position & 1 of if not the best HC at this time in the entire NFL and that is a lot to over come for any team or player . Quote
Malazan Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 6 minutes ago, MJS said: But I heard that if your coach is in his 8th year, you get disqualified and the next team gets in. It's true. Quote
Sweats Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago We're playing pretty good these days, so no ones calling for McD's head...........you're either a little late on this thread or a little early. Quote
Yobogoya! Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, T master said: Lombardi - 2 - SB's as Packers HC but 5 total including his 2 SB's Bill Belichek - 6 - HC for the Pats for 24 seasons Chuck Noll - 4 - HC for the Steelers for 23 seasons Joe Gibbs - 3 - HC for the Redskins in total 16 season Bill Walsh - 3 - HC for the 49ers for 10 seasons Andy Reid - 2 - HC for the Chiefs for 12 seasons Tom Coughlin - 2 - HC for the Giants for 12 seasons Mike Shanahan - 2 - HC for the Bronco's for 14 seasons Jimmy Johnson - 2 - HC for the Cowboys for 5 seasons George Seifert - 2 - HC for the 49ers for 8 seasons but inherited his team from Walsh Bill Parcels - 2 - HC for the Giants for 19 seasons Tom Flores- 2 - HC for the Raiders for 9 seasons Tom Landry - 2 - HC for the Cowboys for 29 seasons Don Shula - 2 - HC of Dolphins - 26 seasons Webe Ewbank - 1 - HC of the Jets - 11 seasons Hank Stram - 1 - HC of Chiefs - 15 seasons John Madden - 1 - HC Raiders - 10 seasons Mike Ditka - 1 - HC Da Bears - 10 seasons Barry Switzer - 1 - Cowboys - 4 seasons Mike Holmgren - 1 - Packers - 7 seasons Dick Vermeil - 1 - Rams - 3 seasons Brian Billick - 1 - Ravens - 9 seasons Jon Gruden - 1 - Bucs - with Dungy's team - 7 seasons Bill Cowher - 1 - Steelers - 15 seasons Tony Dungy - 1 - Colts - 7 seasons Mike Tomlin - 1 - Steelers - 16 seasons Sean Payton - 1 - Saints - 16 seasons Mike McCarthy - 1 - Packers - 13 seasons John Harbaugh - 1 - Ravens - 16 seasons Pete Carrol - 1 - Sea Hawks - 14 seasons Gary Kubiak - 1 - Broncos - 11 seasons Doug Peterson - 1 - Eagles - 5 seasons Bruce Arians - 1 - Bucs - 3 seasons So my reasons for looking into all of these HC's and their tenure with the teams that they won a SB Championship with is for all of you McD haters !! And out of all of these winning SB - HC's 7 of them won their SB's in less than 7 seasons and of those 7 only 3 won their SB's in less time but Gruden, & Switzer, inherited really good teams & Seifert also inherited a really good team and none of them had to build the team on their own . Plus each one of these HC's that won a SB had many years as a coordinator on other teams working their way up to being a HC in the NFL which i didn't look up exactly how long they were in total not in their HC-ing position, I also didn't look to see how many division championships or play off appearances they had before making it to the big game . You could also go and see how many seasons it took them to get to the SB if you would like to add to this post but it is very VERY seldom in NFL history that a HC has taken over a team and with in a couple or 3 seasons became a SB winner, it just takes time so CHILL OUT haters ... So all of you haters need to read these facts and give McD a break ! For only being a HC for 8 seasons he's doing pretty dam good i'd say and either this year or in time i think he will bring a SB to Buffalo !! GO BILLS !!! Damn. I used to hate McD but now thanks to you I’ve seen the light. Bless you, child. 😌 But in all seriousness, I like McD as a person and want him to succeed here. He’s made some brutal in game decisions and his defensive scheme has flaws that have certainly cost us in big time games, but I’ll never hope for him to fail here. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, T master said: So my reasons for looking into all of these HC's and their tenure with the teams that they won a SB Championship with is for all of you McD haters !! And out of all of these winning SB - HC's 7 of them won their SB's in less than 7 seasons and of those 7 only 3 won their SB's in less time but Gruden, & Switzer, inherited really good teams & Seifert also inherited a really good team and none of them had to build the team on their own . Your whole premise is incorrect. Way more than 7 have won their first in under 7 seasons. This thread is the McDermott clock management of threads. 2 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Based on the odds most of the country think the Ravens are the better team and will win. Prior to the start of season most in the media for good reason,felt this was a rebuilding year, possibly the Bills wouldn't even make the playoffs and the team has certainly done much better than expected. None of that will matter if the Bills lose Sunday or the following week, or the SB if they get that far, the McD hater will be out in full force saying he must go. Some would be disappointed if the Bills won the SB as they'd have trouble making the argument he needs to be fired. I suppose they could still argue the team didn't win by enough points, so he needs to go! Quote
Chaos Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Only 8 years? with the best QB in the NFL? with a top Offense and Defense each year? the average tenure for an NFL HC is 3.2 years. McVay won it within 5 (another SB before that within 2). Arians won it within 2. Tomlin within 3. Walsh within 3. Johnson 2 within 5 years. Vermeil within 3. Payton within 4. Carroll within 4. Kubiak in 1 year. Billick within 2 years. Harbaugh within 5. Gruden immediately. Seifert twice within 5. Holmgren within 4. Dungy within 5. That's a lot of HC's with rings in less than 7 years. Sure, some "inherited" solid rosters...but the Bills have provided McD with solid rosters for several seasons now... The last head coach / QB combo to be on a team as long as McDermott/Allen before winning a super bowl, was Madden/Stabler in the 70's. Quote
SinceThe70s Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Chaos said: The last head coach / QB combo to be on a team as long as McDermott/Allen before winning a super bowl, was Madden/Stabler in the 70's. Interesting comparison. Raiders got stuck behind the success of the Steelers dynasty and missed out on one SB opportunity due to the immaculate reception - and yes I get that play wasn't a failure on the coaches - still an interesting comparison on the thin line between winning and losing for the also-rans Ironically some think the Steelers team that lost to the Raiders in the 1976 championship game was their strongest team of that era- I looked it up and they gave up 9.9 points per game that year. Quote
Mikie2times Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Your whole premise is incorrect. Way more than 7 have won their first in under 7 seasons. This thread is the McDermott clock management of threads. I'm calling time out on this thread Quote
T master Posted 3 hours ago Author Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Sweats said: We're playing pretty good these days, so no ones calling for McD's head...........you're either a little late on this thread or a little early. They are waiting in the wings to pounce !! As you have pointed out when the Bills are playing good every one is on board including the haters, but if he stumbles at all you can bet they will come out in droves ... Quote
Chaos Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 20 minutes ago, T master said: They are waiting in the wings to pounce !! As you have pointed out when the Bills are playing good every one is on board including the haters, but if he stumbles at all you can bet they will come out in droves ... I don't know if "waiting to pounce" is really accurate. A lot of people have been quite vocal, that if the Bills can't advance past the divisional round again this year, they will want to see a coaching change. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: I'm calling time out on this thread Most likely a Defensive TO that ends up with 12 men on the field. 1 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 6 hours ago, T master said: Andy Reid - 2 - HC for the Chiefs for 12 seasons 3 Go Bills. Go McDermott. Quote
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