The reason Ravens maybe the most difficult out for the Bills

[PoundingDog]

The match-ups.

 

We don't need to go to the topic of Bills D against Ravens O, do we? Bills D is built to stop the pass and the Ravens O is built around running the ball. So it is kind of like fighting left-handed there.

 

Looking into Bills O against Ravens D. Ravens play 3-4 defense, all 3 linemen are big (over 300 lb). With Roquan Smith and Van Noy having a late career year at 33 year old, it's hard to run the ball --- Ravens is #1 against run in NFL. I think Connor McGovern against their NT Travis Jones is critical if we want to run the ball, or give Josh some room to step up in passing situations. Jones has 20lb over McGovern but believe me, the Bills are in better shape with McGovern against Jones than Morse. On the flip side, we are not likely to pull McGovern like we do with Morse to attack the edge on run plays. We need to run the ball effectively, like 3+ yards per attempt, can't allow the Ravens to tee-up on Josh with Oweh (10 sacks) and Van Noy (12 sacks). We will see Marlon Humphrey's status but he's perennial all pro. Hamilton to me is one of the best secondary player, not just on their team, but the entire league. I think Josh needs to pay close attention to him every snap.

 

It is a tall order - you know the Bills offense needs to find a way to move the ball and score, preferably in time consuming fashion. I know we ran the ball on Broncos which have a good D-line. But the Ravens are another level up. I see the Bills go pass heavy but I think it could lead to a disaster. The last thing we want is that our offense go 3 and out in less than 2 minutes and the Ravens run the ball to consume 7 minutes, even just to kick a field goal. Allen probably has to put superman cape on and just run the ball himself extensively, which means he could be beaten up pretty good this game and ... guess what, Mahomes is waiting at home with one extra days rest the following week.

 

I really want Cook to have his best game of his career. Is that in him? 

[Offside Number 76]

Or just because they're f*cking good and have shown us, and the Bills, that.

[bills6969]

Key to victory: run game needs to be as good as it was vs Denver

[clearwater cadet]

I've been waiting 50 years, this bills team is as good as any I've ever seen, just once the ball needs to bounce our way.  Please god just once,  I've been let down some many times in the past.

[Solomon Grundy]

5 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

The match-ups.

 

We don't need to go to the topic of Bills D against Ravens O, do we? Bills D is built to stop the pass and the Ravens O is built around running the ball. So it is kind of like fighting left-handed there.

 

Looking into Bills O against Ravens D. Ravens play 3-4 defense, all 3 linemen are big (over 300 lb). With Roquan Smith and Van Noy having a late career year at 33 year old, it's hard to run the ball --- Ravens is #1 against run in NFL. I think Connor McGovern against their NT Travis Jones is critical if we want to run the ball, or give Josh some room to step up in passing situations. Jones has 20lb over McGovern but believe me, the Bills are in better shape with McGovern against Jones than Morse. On the flip side, we are not likely to pull McGovern like we do with Morse to attack the edge on run plays. We need to run the ball effectively, like 3+ yards per attempt, can't allow the Ravens to tee-up on Josh with Oweh (10 sacks) and Van Noy (12 sacks). We will see Marlon Humphrey's status but he's perennial all pro. Hamilton to me is one of the best secondary player, not just on their team, but the entire league. I think Josh needs to pay close attention to him every snap.

 

It is a tall order - you know the Bills offense needs to find a way to move the ball and score, preferably in time consuming fashion. I know we ran the ball on Broncos which have a good D-line. But the Ravens are another level up. I see the Bills go pass heavy but I think it could lead to a disaster. The last thing we want is that our offense go 3 and out in less than 2 minutes and the Ravens run the ball to consume 7 minutes, even just to kick a field goal. Allen probably has to put superman cape on and just run the ball himself extensively, which means he could be beaten up pretty good this game and ... guess what, Mahomes is waiting at home with one extra days rest the following week.

 

I really want Cook to have his best game of his career. Is that in him? 

I say to run the ball at Oweh. He's more of a speed rusher than a run stuffer. Wear him out with Dawkins/Brown and Anderson.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Stop the damn run. That is the basis of everything. Dont run past Lamar, hold Henry to under 100 and we have a very good shot at winning this game.

[Scott7975]

Of all the teams in the NFL, this is the one that scares me the most. Traditionally the Bills aren't very good catching mobile QBs. Lamar is the most dynamic mobile QBs in the league IMO. We also traditionally are not good against teams that both run the ball well and pass the ball well. Well, the Ravens do all 3 of those things.

 

Unfortunately, also traditionally Josh has had bad games against the Ravens. Even in wins.

 

This is going to be a tough test for our defense and our team. The Ravens are probably the worst matchup for us in the league. Probably followed by the Eagles because they are kind of the same offensively and they also have a stout D.

 

This game scares me just because we don't match up well defensively and Josh has yet to have a great game against them. I'm still at a 50/50 could go either way. No way do I see a game like week 4 happening again, but I do see a close game where it's going to come down to who makes the least mistakes and maybe which defense makes the elite play in the 4th quarter.

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

The match-ups.

 

We don't need to go to the topic of Bills D against Ravens O, do we? Bills D is built to stop the pass and the Ravens O is built around running the ball. So it is kind of like fighting left-handed there.

 

Looking into Bills O against Ravens D. Ravens play 3-4 defense, all 3 linemen are big (over 300 lb). With Roquan Smith and Van Noy having a late career year at 33 year old, it's hard to run the ball --- Ravens is #1 against run in NFL. I think Connor McGovern against their NT Travis Jones is critical if we want to run the ball, or give Josh some room to step up in passing situations. Jones has 20lb over McGovern but believe me, the Bills are in better shape with McGovern against Jones than Morse. On the flip side, we are not likely to pull McGovern like we do with Morse to attack the edge on run plays. We need to run the ball effectively, like 3+ yards per attempt, can't allow the Ravens to tee-up on Josh with Oweh (10 sacks) and Van Noy (12 sacks). We will see Marlon Humphrey's status but he's perennial all pro. Hamilton to me is one of the best secondary player, not just on their team, but the entire league. I think Josh needs to pay close attention to him every snap.

 

It is a tall order - you know the Bills offense needs to find a way to move the ball and score, preferably in time consuming fashion. I know we ran the ball on Broncos which have a good D-line. But the Ravens are another level up. I see the Bills go pass heavy but I think it could lead to a disaster. The last thing we want is that our offense go 3 and out in less than 2 minutes and the Ravens run the ball to consume 7 minutes, even just to kick a field goal. Allen probably has to put superman cape on and just run the ball himself extensively, which means he could be beaten up pretty good this game and ... guess what, Mahomes is waiting at home with one extra days rest the following week.

 

I really want Cook to have his best game of his career. Is that in him? 

Styles make fights as they say.  I’d agree with many who called this game a “coin flip.”  I’m hoping it comes down to the team with the better QB because I truly believe it’s Josh.  
 

I was thinking about the switch from Morse to McGovern.  I feel that it was a definite upgrade.  McGovern is probably as good of a pass blocker and a better run blocker.  I’d argue Edwards has been better than McGovern at LG too.  
 

So it won’t be easy… but at least the Bills have a chance at going toe-to-toe with a DL like Baltimore.  The performance against Denver’s tough interior gives me hope

[JohnNord]

12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Of all the teams in the NFL, this is the one that scares me the most. Traditionally the Bills aren't very good catching mobile QBs. Lamar is the most dynamic mobile QBs in the league IMO. We also traditionally are not good against teams that both run the ball well and pass the ball well. Well, the Ravens do all 3 of those things.

 

Unfortunately, also traditionally Josh has had bad games against the Ravens. Even in wins.

 

This is going to be a tough test for our defense and our team. The Ravens are probably the worst matchup for us in the league. Probably followed by the Eagles because they are kind of the same offensively and they also have a stout D.

 

This game scares me just because we don't match up well defensively and Josh has yet to have a great game against them. I'm still at a 50/50 could go either way. No way do I see a game like week 4 happening again, but I do see a close game where it's going to come down to who makes the least mistakes and maybe which defense makes the elite play in the 4th quarter.

 

Does it give you hope because Lamar has yet to have a great game versus Buffalo?  

Traditionally, Lamar has also had bad games against Buffalo.   In Week 4 he didn’t have to do very much since Henry destroyed the defense.   He was 13-18 for 156 yards and 2 TD and 50 yards rushing.  Those are Tannehill  numbers.  
 

So you can say Josh never had a great game against the Buffalo defense…but you can also say the game thing about Lamar vs. Buffalo.  
 

Not sure either will matter on Sunday.  

 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

Does it give you hope because Lamar has yet to have a great game versus Buffalo?  

Traditionally, Lamar has also had bad games against Buffalo.   In Week 4 he didn’t have to do very much since Henry destroyed the defense.   He was 13-18 for 156 yards and 2 TD and 50 yards rushing.  Those are Tannehill  numbers.  
 

So you can say Josh never had a great game against the Buffalo defense…but you can also say the game thing about Lamar vs. Buffalo.  
 

Not sure either will matter on Sunday.  

 

 

He may not have had a great game in raw passing yards but he has been very efficient in at least 2 of the games. Josh best game was like 55% completions and that was this past game.

 

I always have hope with Josh Allen. There is no question there. I said I was 50/50 on the game and I dont expect a blowout like week 4.

[ProcessTruster]

Bills are so much healthier and the roster is so much better than in week 4 I honestly don't see how they can lose, short of the opposition scoring 40 points, which is extremely unlikely.  

[Steptide]

48 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said:

I've been waiting 50 years, this bills team is as good as any I've ever seen, just once the ball needs to bounce our way.  Please god just once,  I've been let down some many times in the past.

I agree to an extent. My fear is this team has no Tru number 1 receiver. I mean who is the guy that's gonna come up with that clutch play? Shakir? Maybe. If there's ever a game to go balls to the wall, it's this one. Let's hope Brady and McDermott don't over think this 

Edited 3 hours ago by Steptide

[VW82]

We're not even going to try to run the ball vs. Ravens like we did vs. Broncos. 

 

This game will look more like the Titans, Chiefs, and Dolphins games where we spread them out and play pitch and catch. Good luck covering us now that we have healthy receivers. 

 

All we have to do is not play 6 in the box vs. Lamar and Henry again and we should be good.

Edited 3 hours ago by VW82

[nosejob]

5 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

The match-ups.

 

We don't need to go to the topic of Bills D against Ravens O, do we? Bills D is built to stop the pass and the Ravens O is built around running the ball. So it is kind of like fighting left-handed there.

 

Looking into Bills O against Ravens D. Ravens play 3-4 defense, all 3 linemen are big (over 300 lb). With Roquan Smith and Van Noy having a late career year at 33 year old, it's hard to run the ball --- Ravens is #1 against run in NFL. I think Connor McGovern against their NT Travis Jones is critical if we want to run the ball, or give Josh some room to step up in passing situations. Jones has 20lb over McGovern but believe me, the Bills are in better shape with McGovern against Jones than Morse. On the flip side, we are not likely to pull McGovern like we do with Morse to attack the edge on run plays. We need to run the ball effectively, like 3+ yards per attempt, can't allow the Ravens to tee-up on Josh with Oweh (10 sacks) and Van Noy (12 sacks). We will see Marlon Humphrey's status but he's perennial all pro. Hamilton to me is one of the best secondary player, not just on their team, but the entire league. I think Josh needs to pay close attention to him every snap.

 

It is a tall order - you know the Bills offense needs to find a way to move the ball and score, preferably in time consuming fashion. I know we ran the ball on Broncos which have a good D-line. But the Ravens are another level up. I see the Bills go pass heavy but I think it could lead to a disaster. The last thing we want is that our offense go 3 and out in less than 2 minutes and the Ravens run the ball to consume 7 minutes, even just to kick a field goal. Allen probably has to put superman cape on and just run the ball himself extensively, which means he could be beaten up pretty good this game and ... guess what, Mahomes is waiting at home with one extra days rest the following week.

 

I really want Cook to have his best game of his career. Is that in him? 

Mix in a heavy dose of Alec Anderson and also some 2 back sets. Start punking the deep middle with Knox, Kincaid, Davis and Cook. Put ourselves in a spot where we can take a shot on 2nd downs. Big game from Samuel and Cooper coming up.

Edited 3 hours ago by nosejob

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, PoundingDog said:

The match-ups.

 

We don't need to go to the topic of Bills D against Ravens O, do we? Bills D is built to stop the pass and the Ravens O is built around running the ball. So it is kind of like fighting left-handed there.

 

Looking into Bills O against Ravens D. Ravens play 3-4 defense, all 3 linemen are big (over 300 lb). With Roquan Smith and Van Noy having a late career year at 33 year old, it's hard to run the ball --- Ravens is #1 against run in NFL. I think Connor McGovern against their NT Travis Jones is critical if we want to run the ball, or give Josh some room to step up in passing situations. Jones has 20lb over McGovern but believe me, the Bills are in better shape with McGovern against Jones than Morse. On the flip side, we are not likely to pull McGovern like we do with Morse to attack the edge on run plays. We need to run the ball effectively, like 3+ yards per attempt, can't allow the Ravens to tee-up on Josh with Oweh (10 sacks) and Van Noy (12 sacks). We will see Marlon Humphrey's status but he's perennial all pro. Hamilton to me is one of the best secondary player, not just on their team, but the entire league. I think Josh needs to pay close attention to him every snap.

 

It is a tall order - you know the Bills offense needs to find a way to move the ball and score, preferably in time consuming fashion. I know we ran the ball on Broncos which have a good D-line. But the Ravens are another level up. I see the Bills go pass heavy but I think it could lead to a disaster. The last thing we want is that our offense go 3 and out in less than 2 minutes and the Ravens run the ball to consume 7 minutes, even just to kick a field goal. Allen probably has to put superman cape on and just run the ball himself extensively, which means he could be beaten up pretty good this game and ... guess what, Mahomes is waiting at home with one extra days rest the following week.

 

I really want Cook to have his best game of his career. Is that in him? 

Do Bills go 6 O line and grind. Those big front 5 of Ravens could get tuckered out by halftime if we can get them to chase the outside rush Screens etc.

 Kinda wish we had Davis to run/pound "inside" behind  a Tackle to set up some quicker plays to make them run out of breaths

 

Going to be a great game for Coaching and execution ++ and to say I'm fairly excited and hopeful ? Might be an understatement !

\ Both Brady and Babich need to bring their A games and adjust adeptly.

 Just wow for sunday 630 

 GO BILLS

 

[JohnNord]

25 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He may not have had a great game in raw passing yards but he has been very efficient in at least 2 of the games. Josh best game was like 55% completions and that was this past game.

 

I always have hope with Josh Allen. There is no question there. I said I was 50/50 on the game and I dont expect a blowout like week 4.

It’s easy to be efficient when you pass for 140 yards.  

 

2019 - 16/25 for 145 3TD 1 INT - 11/40

2020 - 14/24 for 164 0 TD 1 INT - 9/34

2022 - 20/29 for 144 1 TD 2 INT - 11/73

2024-  13/18 for 156 2 TD 0 INT - 6/54

Like I said, Josh hasn’t played his best versus Baltimore and Lamar hasn’t played his best versus Buffalo.  Not sure how you can argue otherwise 

 

I don’t know if history will matter much though.  Both rosters are different and Lamar and Josh have grown considerably as passers

Edited 3 hours ago by JohnNord

[BigAl2526]

This is kind of old news.  In the NFL, teams have to make personnel choices, and they do it generally to deal with league trends.  League rules made it easier to have high powered passing attacks, so most teams tried to build defenses that had a chance to counter that.  Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley are unicorns.  So is Lamar Jackson for that matter.  Buffalo would be foolish to try and build a defense solely to combat Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry.  Going forward, I think some upgrades can be made in the secondary and on the defensive line that will enable Buffalo to be more effective defending the run while still being effective against the pass.  Daquan Jones has not been as effective in 2024 as he was in past seasons.  Taron Johnson is an outstanding slot corner and far better against the run than you would expect of a smallish DB, but he's still under 200 lbs and some running backs are going to run him over.  

 

I don't view Taylor Rapp as a liability in run defense, but I think that position can be upgraded.  He's smart enough and very physical, but his lack of speed gives him no room for error when it comes to anticipating receivers and choosing angles (as Denver's first touchdown demonstrated).  Whether or not Cole Bishop grows into a quality starter at either safety spot is open to question.  

 

As far as the game Sunday is concerned, having all Buffalo's starters on defense available will help.  If Buffalo plays a clean disciplined game on defense, I think they can keep Baltimore from exploding on offense better than they did in September.  Of course, Buffalo's offense needs to perform a lot better too.  

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

This is kind of old news.  In the NFL, teams have to make personnel choices, and they do it generally to deal with league trends.  League rules made it easier to have high powered passing attacks, so most teams tried to build defenses that had a chance to counter that.  Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley are unicorns.  So is Lamar Jackson for that matter.  Buffalo would be foolish to try and build a defense solely to combat Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry.  Going forward, I think some upgrades can be made in the secondary and on the defensive line that will enable Buffalo to be more effective defending the run while still being effective against the pass.  Daquan Jones has not been as effective in 2024 as he was in past seasons.  Taron Johnson is an outstanding slot corner and far better against the run than you would expect of a smallish DB, but he's still under 200 lbs and some running backs are going to run him over.  

 

I don't view Taylor Rapp as a liability in run defense, but I think that position can be upgraded.  He's smart enough and very physical, but his lack of speed gives him no room for error when it comes to anticipating receivers and choosing angles (as Denver's first touchdown demonstrated).  Whether or not Cole Bishop grows into a quality starter at either safety spot is open to question.  

 

As far as the game Sunday is concerned, having all Buffalo's starters on defense available will help.  If Buffalo plays a clean disciplined game on defense, I think they can keep Baltimore from exploding on offense better than they did in September.  Of course, Buffalo's offense needs to perform a lot better too.  

Discipline and gap control. setting edge and being patient will go a long way for defense.

But by halftime Defense will be making adjustments a plenty. Ravens have some excellent Coaching too

[boater]

Derrick Freaking Henry. That's why they are difficult. 6'2" 247 pounds of difficult to stop.

 

186 yards against the Steelers. That's probably translates to 125 yards against the Bills---and that's when the Bills are playing well.

[H2o]

55 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Stop the damn run. That is the basis of everything. Dont run past Lamar, hold Henry to under 100 and we have a very good shot at winning this game.

Every game Baltimore has lost this year has been a game where Henry had 84 yds or fewer.