peterpan Posted January 14 Posted January 14 So I never understand this. Why does the NFL allow a third party group of sportscasters and journalists decide who is the NFL MVP and NFL All Pro(s)?? Wouldn’t the NFL want to control that list? I feel like each teams GM and/or Head Coach should get the votes, with a rule that you can’t vote for anyone on your own team. this reminds me of how they used to award the college football “National Champion “. Two polls- and coaches poll and the journalists poll. Uhh which group do you think knew more about the best football team? The football coaches or the nerds in the press box? at least these days, it seems like more and more former players have votes. 1 3 1 Quote
Rew Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 50 minutes ago, peterpan said: So I never understand this. Why does the NFL allow a third party group of sportscasters and journalists decide who is the NFL MVP and NFL All Pro(s)?? Wouldn’t the NFL want to control that list? I feel like each teams GM and/or Head Coach should get the votes, with a rule that you can’t vote for anyone on your own team. this reminds me of how they used to award the college football “National Champion “. Two polls- and coaches poll and the journalists poll. Uhh which group do you think knew more about the best football team? The football coaches or the nerds in the press box? at least these days, it seems like more and more former players have votes. It's not a league award. It is literally the Associated Press's list of awards that they made up and award how they see fit. The NFL has neither the ability, or desire to stop outside parties from discussing and driving traffic to the NFL. There are other MVP awards given, like PFWA, PFF, yahoo, and other media orgs. The only thing that makes the AP unique is that the NFL decided over the last decade to host the "NFL Honors" as an additional league event where 20ish awards (most or all from 3rd parties) are announced and the AP was given the honor of presenting a series of their awards. I suppose you could consider these "sanctioned" by the NFL. The AP (and other media) has a bunch of awards that they give outside of NFL honors (like All Pro). Edited January 14 by Rew 1 2 2 Quote
MJS Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I actually think the former players are the problem. I think they are more likely to vote for the guys they like and are friends with versus the "nerds" who will look at it more objectively and without as much bias. Many of the former players are terrible analysts and got their jobs because of their names, not because they are good journalists or football analysts. Some of them do minimal work and collect a paycheck. That being said, some of them are pretty good, like Orlovsky. 5 2 Quote
Doc Brown Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Head coaches and GM's would show favoritism. The AP I guess chooses which sportswriters they think are experts who follow the league closely and objectively evaluate who deserves all pro nods and awards like MVP. It's a way better voting session that the pro bowl which is a popularity contest (players, fans, coaches all vote). For example, Kirby Joseph was voted first team all pro which he deserved but wasn't selected to the Pro Bowl. I don't know if there's a better system as it's far from perfect just looking at some of the television personalities or former players who get a vote. 3 Quote
Pete Posted January 14 Posted January 14 They used to let them pick the college football National Champion too. AP should go back to being the Fourth Estate, and get the ***** out of the NFL! 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) It’s called AP MVP for a reason. I don’t know if all the voters take it seriously. Actually do research. Maybe they should expand the number of voters. I think it’s only 50 voters. Edited January 14 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 14 Posted January 14 9 hours ago, peterpan said: So I never understand this. Why does the NFL allow a third party group of sportscasters and journalists decide who is the NFL MVP and NFL All Pro(s)?? Wouldn’t the NFL want to control that list? I feel like each teams GM and/or Head Coach should get the votes, with a rule that you can’t vote for anyone on your own team. this reminds me of how they used to award the college football “National Champion “. Two polls- and coaches poll and the journalists poll. Uhh which group do you think knew more about the best football team? The football coaches or the nerds in the press box? at least these days, it seems like more and more former players have votes. The nerds in the press box Coaches are too busy....coaching. Preparing their team for next week. They don't have time to watch the entire relevant scope of college football on a weekly basis. 2 Quote
buffalostu2 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 6 hours ago, MJS said: I actually think the former players are the problem. I think they are more likely to vote for the guys they like and are friends with versus the "nerds" who will look at it more objectively and without as much bias. Many of the former players are terrible analysts and got their jobs because of their names, not because they are good journalists or football analysts. Some of them do minimal work and collect a paycheck. That being said, some of them are pretty good, like Orlovsky. RGIII, case and point! 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’s called AP MVP for a reason. I don’t know if all the voters take it seriously. Actually do research. Maybe they should expand the number of voters. I think it’s only 50 voters. I like expanding it, but also why not make it transparent? Quote
MJS Posted January 14 Posted January 14 21 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said: RGIII, case and point! I like expanding it, but also why not make it transparent? Exactly. If the voters had to actually share their votes, they would be less likely to vote for their friends. When your name is attached to something, you want it to be defensible. 1 Quote
Sharky7337 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) Does anyone think if the races were reversed the outcome might be different? Lamar had a great season, but he had a superior supporting cast, and I think you need to take that into account. Edited January 14 by Sharky7337 1 2 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 15 hours ago, peterpan said: So I never understand this. Why does the NFL allow a third party group of sportscasters and journalists decide who is the NFL MVP and NFL All Pro(s)?? Wouldn’t the NFL want to control that list? I feel like each teams GM and/or Head Coach should get the votes, with a rule that you can’t vote for anyone on your own team. this reminds me of how they used to award the college football “National Champion “. Two polls- and coaches poll and the journalists poll. Uhh which group do you think knew more about the best football team? The football coaches or the nerds in the press box? at least these days, it seems like more and more former players have votes. honestly, im over caring. i think it'd be the ultimate flip of the bird for Lamar to win, Josh and Buffalo tunes their a** up.... goes and wins SB (and SB MVP), the only award thats not some debate. Meanwhile Balt has bunch of all-pro, has the MVP, and then has a "better coach" and they lose LOL i hope the staff cranks up the spite this week in the locker room, on the field and in the film room. DO YOU WANT TO BE THE ULTIMATE LEGACY? CAUSE WINNING A G'D FOR THE BUFFALO BILLS WILL BE ETERNAL. GOOOOOOO FUUUUUUKNNNNN TAKE THIS GAME AWAY FROM BALTIMORE, ITS YOUR IF YOU WANT IT. OR YOU CAN LET NETWORK TV DORKS CROWN THEM AND GIVE AWAY YOURRRRRR LEGACY GO TAKE YOUR LEGACY. DONT REJECT YOUR BIRTHWRIGHT. ETCH YOUR NAME IN STONE IN THE NEW STADIUM. GOD DANGIT IM SO FIRED UP FOR SUNDAY!! 2 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, MJS said: Exactly. If the voters had to actually share their votes, they would be less likely to vote for their friends. When your name is attached to something, you want it to be defensible. I don't know. If the vote is public, it's hard to vote against your friend. Quote
BillsDad51 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Head coaches and GM's would show favoritism. The AP I guess chooses which sportswriters they think are experts who follow the league closely and objectively evaluate who deserves all pro nods and awards like MVP. It's a way better voting session that the pro bowl which is a popularity contest (players, fans, coaches all vote). For example, Kirby Joseph was voted first team all pro which he deserved but wasn't selected to the Pro Bowl. I don't know if there's a better system as it's far from perfect just looking at some of the television personalities or former players who get a vote. Like the GM who said Josh was overrated. Quote
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Does anyone have a list of the actual voters? Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 14 Posted January 14 The pro bowl voting is mostly players and coaches I believe and that goes even worse than the mvp voting haha Quote
unbillievable Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I'm more concerned about EA controlling who gets on the Madden cover. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 14 Posted January 14 39 minutes ago, BillsDad51 said: Like the GM who said Josh was overrated. That's fake news imo Quote
ColoradoBills Posted January 14 Posted January 14 46 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Does anyone have a list of the actual voters? Here are last year's voters. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters Emmanuel Acho, FS1 Greg Auman, Fox Sports Howard Balzer, PHNX radio Jarrett Bell, USA Today Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press Tom Brady, Fox Sports Tedy Bruschi, ESPN Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston Charles Davis, CBS Sports Nate Davis, USA Today Howard Deneroff, Westwood One Tony Dungy, NBC Sports Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia Rich Gannon, SiriusXM Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports Lindsay Jones, The Ringer Mike Jones, The Athletic Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com Mina Kimes, ESPN Peter King, NBC Sports Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM Jeff Legwold, ESPN Jim Miller, SiriusXM Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus Bruce Murray, SiriusXM Gary Myers, NFL author Laura Okmin, Fox Sports Dan Orlovsky, ESPN Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM Dan Pompei, The Athletic Nora Princiotti, The Ringer Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports Dianna Russini, The Athletic Mike Sando, The Athletic Aaron Schatz, FTN Network Adam Schein, CBS Sports Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Chris Simms, NBC Sports Armando Salguero, Outkick.com Mike Tirico, NBC Sports Ben Volin, Boston Globe Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk 3 Quote
Doc Brown Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, BillsDad51 said: Like the GM who said Josh was overrated. Leave Doug Whaley out of this. Quote
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