Rosen was the "Wrong Josh" after all...

[BillsPride12]

51 minutes ago, MJS said:

What is the source for that information? How do we know Pegula wanted Mahomes?

I don't really think that is the case. Allen showed flashes even from his rookie season. A couple of his best games ever were from his rookie season. He always had that "it," factor. He passed the eye test even when his stats didn't completely agree.

 

Allen has improved a lot, but he always had what it took. You could say the franchise took a risk, and that is true, but the draft is always a risk. Even the top prospects are a risk. The failure rate for 1st round draft picks is very high.

Yeah Allen always had the highest ceiling in that draft class and the highest level of pure athleticism.

 

It was always a case of he wasn't the most NFL ready coming out of college but if all things go according to plan he could be the best of the bunch.

 

For once in the sports universe something actually fell into place in the best case scenario for Buffalo and it's been an amazing ride ever since.

[nedboy7]

Thank god for the front office. 

[alg]

Josh Allen was the only QB for me.

When the trade was announced I knew it was Buffalo moving up.

When he said "Josh" I knew it was Allen. 

 

I believed in Beane, I suppose. I figured he had to see what little I saw.

In hindsight, I don't know if Beane has been all that in the premium drafting rounds.

Maybe we were just lucky. 

[MJS]

15 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article295355694.html

 

The failure rate on Allens profile was higher than a normal QB or normal draft pick. That is the point I'm making. If he showed some grit isn't really up for debate. He was obviously impressive in a lot of other ways.  

Thanks for the link. I was wondering if there were actual comments made or if it was just another one of those Bills legends that fans throw around. Cool story.

[US Egg]

Josh Brolin is better than Josh Hartnett.

[turbo044]

Josh Allen is a waste of a draft pick.  If he turns into anything good, every analytical model will be proved worthless.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

Thanks for the link. I was wondering if there were actual comments made or if it was just another one of those Bills legends that fans throw around. Cool story.

Thank god Josh hit, can you imagine if they missed, picked the wrong Josh, and had to deal with an owner who called his shot on one of the all timers while the "pro's" traded the pick. Talk about never living it down.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Well you never know.

 

What if in the Multiverse Daboll trains Rosen instead of our Josh and Rosen becomes a superstar in a parallel universe ?

 

[Man with No Name]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

What is the source for that information? How do we know Pegula wanted Mahomes?

I don't really think that is the case. Allen showed flashes even from his rookie season. A couple of his best games ever were from his rookie season. He always had that "it," factor. He passed the eye test even when his stats didn't completely agree.

 

Allen has improved a lot, but he always had what it took. You could say the franchise took a risk, and that is true, but the draft is always a risk. Even the top prospects are a risk. The failure rate for 1st round draft picks is very high.

I don't think " a couple of his best games ever were from his rookie season," but I agree with everything else. It was obvious from his rookie season that he had "it." His second season, even with the mediocre stats, you knew he was gonna be a cam newton at the very least. and then his 3rd season showed us what a gift from heaven he was. 

[Amaru523]

The fact that I would've taken Rosen over Allen pretty much crushed my hopes and dreams of becoming an NFL GM, thanks Josh.

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

I don't think " a couple of his best games ever were from his rookie season," but I agree with everything else. It was obvious from his rookie season that he had "it." His second season, even with the mediocre stats, you knew he was gonna be a cam newton at the very least. and then his 3rd season showed us what a gift from heaven he was. 

The game against the Vikings was one of his iconic games. Maybe his stats weren't eye popping by today's standards, but he had 3 TDs and a few amazing plays.

 

Also that final week against the Dolphins he scored 5 TDs. That was for real one of his best games ever. 65% completion percentage, 224 yards passing, 3 passing TDs, 95 rushing yards and 2 rushing TDs. He had a passer rating of 114.9.

[Man with No Name]

okay. I guess it depends on how long you consider the list of his best games ever to be. 

[muppy]

lol a "dance on Josh Rosens"  grave thread.

 

Can you imagine the horror if we had not picked Our Josh and taken Him instead?

 

Oh My Gosh what a nightmare.

[chris heff]

I was screaming for the Bills to take Lamar, he played high school football in Boynton Beach which is next door. Followed his college career, knew his story. I absolutely did not want either Darnold or Rosen, there is just something about QBs from those two LA schools. I knew nothing about Josh, but Josh is the guy for the Bills. Bills would have been great with Lamar, I’ve got nothing negative to say about him and I’ve often defended him on this site. But Josh and the Bills is a match made in heaven.

 

Edited yesterday at 11:11 PM by chris heff

[Kaenon]

I remember just being excited we drafted a QB that year and also remember thinking - TBD said we drafted the wrong Josh, which actually means we drafted the right one! Lol.

[Bad Things]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

Just goes to show that you never know how things are going to play out.

 

It also goes to show that we're all usually surrounded by idiots, that think they know far more than they actually do

Edited 23 hours ago by Bad Things

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I was least interested in Lamar followed by Allen....lol

 

I wasn't one of these people saying they had no chance, but at the time QB's with Lamar's history of running in college or Allen's completion % did not have success in the NFL. 

 

We have seen a shift in the way QB is played since that time. If you think about Brady or Montana etc, that is how QB's played historically. It was precision, decision making, accuracy. Sort of what Burrow does. Anything outside of that mode really didn't work. Mahomes started to change that a bit, then Allen and Jackson just destroyed it all together. To the extent that more QB's are modeled off them nowadays than the traditional guys. 

 

I know people liked to slam the pundits who said Josh wouldn't make it, but to do so he had to overcome so many things. To say our decision to draft him working out didn't involve a huge risk, it did. None of them are a sure thing, but Josh had to overcome so much even at the stage he was in at that time to get to who he is today. It was a borderline bad decision to select him from a probability stand point but in the end he will end up being the most impactful draft pick in our franchises history. I'm just glad we have him.  

I really didn’t like Lamar. Drastically so.

 

Allen at least as a toolsy lotto ticket I understood.

 

I flat out did not think Lamar was capable of passing at an NFL level. And tbh, he wasn’t as a rookie, he was okay as a passer in 2019 and has gotten better every step of the way since. 

[Watkins101]

Dead horse? Meet stick

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, The Red King said:

We knew Mayfield and Rosen were playoff caliber QB's around 2019?

 

We never knew that Rosen was a playoff caliber QB, or even an NFL caliber QB. 

We still don't know that; he was on the Vikes practice squad for a month Dec-Jan when they went to the playoffs.  That may technically make him a member of a playoff team, but it would still be a stretch to say that makes him a "playoff QB"

 

[CaseyatBat]

I remember the next morning listening to WGR- Jeremy White specifically just biotching over and over about the Allen pick. 
 

somehow that dummy is still on the air 

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by CaseyatBat