Rosen was the "Wrong Josh" after all...

[Ya Digg?]

Guys on a related note, I just realized Aaron Maybin was also the wrong guy to draft

[without a drought]

This was touch and go for a while, but I think our Josh has stepped out in front over the last couple of weeks.

 

Still crossing my fingers.

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

We knew Mayfield and Rosen were playoff caliber QB's around 2019?

We knew Rosen was the "Wrong Josh" by the end of 2019. 

[prissythecat]

Well , it depends on your perspective …. Josh Rosen is now studying at the elite Wharton Business school , which is pretty curious  for someone whose career resume consists of bouncing from team to team in NFL and not sticking.  

 

I then did some searching and found that he is related to the founder of Bethlehem Steel and the Wharton school among other things .  Wealth sure  has its privileges. Am sure Josh Rosen doesn’t think he is the wrong Josh .

[JohnNord]

33 minutes ago, MJS said:

I wanted Darnold or Mayfield. I did NOT want Jackson because I saw him as a Tyrod Taylor type of QB, and I was through with that. I didn't want Josh Allen because of the completion percentage and everyone in the media bashing him. He just seemed like one of those endless projects. And yeah, I settled on Rosen because I figured Darnold and Mayfield would be gone, and the media really hyped him up.

 

It taught me a valuable lesson. Don't make opinions based on the takes of media talking heads.

Sounds like many of use were heavily influenced by draft analysts and the media. 
As a casual college football fan following the draft, you were conditioned to think Josh Allen was going to be the Kyle Boller or Jake Locker.

 

Even after a much improved season in 2019, fools like Ringer’s Steve Ruiz predicted he’d have a Trubisky regression.  
 

It’s amazing how hard Josh has worked and what he’s had to overcome to get where he is.  Hoping he can finish the story this season

[MJS]

14 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Sounds like many of use were heavily influenced by draft analysts and the media. 
As a casual college football fan following the draft, you were conditioned to think Josh Allen was going to be the Kyle Boller or Jake Locker.

 

Even after a much improved season in 2019, fools like Ringer’s Steve Ruiz predicted he’d have a Trubisky regression.  
 

It’s amazing how hard Josh has worked and what he’s had to overcome to get where he is.  Hoping he can finish the story this season

Part of my problem is I do not watch college football, so I am limited in my ability to form my own opinions. I have to rely on the talking heads somewhat, and the draft rankings, etc. But I know now that any opinion I have of a prospect is practically useless. I don't celebrate or lament picks anymore. I just wait to see how they turn out.

[DCofNC]

28 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

We knew Rosen was the "Wrong Josh" by the end of 2019. 

Didn’t even take the Cardinals that long, take a guy top 10 in one draft and move him out to replace him with the 1st overall the next year, ballsy, but it was right.

22 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Sounds like many of use were heavily influenced by draft analysts and the media. 
As a casual college football fan following the draft, you were conditioned to think Josh Allen was going to be the Kyle Boller or Jake Locker.

 

Even after a much improved season in 2019, fools like Ringer’s Steve Ruiz predicted he’d have a Trubisky regression.  
 

It’s amazing how hard Josh has worked and what he’s had to overcome to get where he is.  Hoping he can finish the story this season

Trubiski will forever make me wonder, how did he look that competent and now look like. Mediocre backup?  I was certainly concerned that JA was going to follow that path of almost making it and then nosediving, thankfully he really took off.

[Sojourner]

Some say his drawing of their respective franchise was better than Josh’s. 
 

Depends what you’re asking for in a QB I guess. 
 

🤷‍♂️

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Some say his drawing of their respective franchise was better than Josh’s. 
 

Depends what you’re asking for in a QB I guess. 
 

🤷‍♂️

 

I like a guy with a great serve and a solid backhand, preferably comfortable in doubles as well. 

 

They both have pros and cons, I suppose. 

 

We could use golf as the tie breaker. What are their handicaps? Then we can decide who we’d prefer. 

[cba fan]

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

Trying to analyze draft picks is a fools errand for anyone who isn't an expert. It's also a fool's errand for the experts, in many cases. I realized that for a long time, and such, when Josh was picked by us, I was neither irritated or excited. 

 

The thing about Josh that still stands out to me is that despite seeming to be a very obvious project, he was still projected to go anywhere between 1 and 11. Usually the guys who have all the athletic ability but are still very raw, get dropped down to between 2 and 6th round. What stood out so much about Josh that had him slotted for one of those very high spots despite the rawness?  

 

For example, this guy on NE who torched our second team. Strong arm. Good runner. Has those good attributes but was dropped down to 6th round because of accuracy issues, etc. 

 

People saw something in Josh that has never been seen in a PROJECT type guy before. Or am I wrong. Has such a raw qb talent ever been projected and picked so high? 

Kyle Boller had the similar stat line and critics. 

 

lest also not forget Pegula wanted Mahomes but he acquiesced to pre-Beane McDermott and traded out. So if Pegula had had a Jerry Jones type personality Bills would have had Mahomes.  Personally, i love Allen and would not trade him for Mahomes now. But back then i would have taken Mahomes.

Edited Monday at 09:11 PM by cba fan

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I still think Josh Rosen is more NFL ready.

[Albany,n.y.]

This past year's QB class may end up being up there with 1983.  Daniels already looks like a big hit in Washington.  Williams, who knows until another year or 2.  Maye looks like a good one as did Nix & a little bit of Penix looked like he has potential.  Then there's McCarthy.  If Darnold does well in the playoffs, McCarthy could be traded for a #1 this offseason.  As a 6th rounder Milton was impressive against the Bills scrubs.  

 

The real loser was the NYG who could have drafted Nix, Penix or McCarthy.  Instead they drafted a WR & have nobody to throw him the ball.  Now he was a very good WR, but the team still needs a QB in a bad QB drat year when drafting below 1 or 2.  2023 was the year to get your QB, just like 2018 appears to have been, even though the Jets & Browns, Jets & Brownsed and gave up on their 2018 QB busting on their replacements.

Edited Monday at 09:06 PM by Albany,n.y.

[Mr. WEO]

man, how many more times are we going to see the shoebox with that receipt in it pulled out from under the bed??

 

 

[Mikie2times]

I was least interested in Lamar followed by Allen....lol

 

I wasn't one of these people saying they had no chance, but at the time QB's with Lamar's history of running in college or Allen's completion % did not have success in the NFL. 

 

We have seen a shift in the way QB is played since that time. If you think about Brady or Montana etc, that is how QB's played historically. It was precision, decision making, accuracy. Sort of what Burrow does. Anything outside of that mode really didn't work. Mahomes started to change that a bit, then Allen and Jackson just destroyed it all together. To the extent that more QB's are modeled off them nowadays than the traditional guys. 

 

I know people liked to slam the pundits who said Josh wouldn't make it, but to do so he had to overcome so many things. To say our decision to draft him working out didn't involve a huge risk, it did. None of them are a sure thing, but Josh had to overcome so much even at the stage he was in at that time to get to who he is today. It was a borderline bad decision to select him from a probability stand point but in the end he will end up being the most impactful draft pick in our franchises history. I'm just glad we have him.  

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

2018 was a great draft for QBs.  Five QBs were taken first round.  This season four of them led their teams to the playoffs, even if two of them are on different teams then the ones that drafted them.  That's a remarkable feat.

 

Then there's Josh Rosen who, unless I'm mistaken, isn't even in the league anymore.  He's the odd one out.

 

I find this interesting, as I remember a lot of fans referred to Josh Allen as "Wrong Josh", upset b/c the Bills could have taken Rosen.  Instead, the QB those fans wanted is the only one out of the five that isn't/wasn't in the playoffs.  And "Wrong Josh" is one of two MVP candidates.

 

Just goes to show that you never know how things are going to play out.

 

Glad you figured out  🙃😉😝🤪

Edited Monday at 09:18 PM by Malazan

[MJS]

25 minutes ago, cba fan said:

Kyle Boller had the similar stat line and critics. 

 

lest also not forget Pegula wanted Mahomes but he acquiesced to pre-Beane McDermott and traded out. So if Pegula had had a Jerry Jones type personality Bills would have had Mahomes.  Personally, i love Allen and would not trade him for Mahomes now. But back then i would have taken Mahomes.

What is the source for that information? How do we know Pegula wanted Mahomes?

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I was least interested in Lamar followed by Allen....lol

 

I wasn't one of these people saying they had no chance, but at the time QB's with Lamar's history of running in college or Allen's completion % did not have success in the NFL. 

 

We have seen a shift in the way QB is played since that time. If you think about Brady or Montana etc, that is how QB's played historically. It was precision, decision making, accuracy. Sort of what Burrow does. Anything outside of that mode really didn't work. Mahomes started to change that a bit, then Allen and Jackson just destroyed it all together. To the extent that more QB's are modeled off them nowadays than the traditional guys. 

 

I know people liked to slam the pundits who said Josh wouldn't make it, but to do so he had to overcome so many things. To say our decision to draft him working out didn't involve a huge risk, it did. None of them are a sure thing, but Josh had to overcome so much even at the stage he was in at that time to get to who he is today. It was a borderline bad decision to select him from a probability stand point but in the end he will end up being the most impactful draft pick in our franchises history. I'm just glad we have him.  

I don't really think that is the case. Allen showed flashes even from his rookie season. A couple of his best games ever were from his rookie season. He always had that "it," factor. He passed the eye test even when his stats didn't completely agree.

 

Allen has improved a lot, but he always had what it took. You could say the franchise took a risk, and that is true, but the draft is always a risk. Even the top prospects are a risk. The failure rate for 1st round draft picks is very high.

[Sweats]

Josh Allen?........meh.

 

He'll never make it in this league

[Doc]

I don't think Johnny Manziel's gonna make it either...

[Mikie2times]

39 minutes ago, MJS said:

What is the source for that information? How do we know Pegula wanted Mahomes?

I don't really think that is the case. Allen showed flashes even from his rookie season. A couple of his best games ever were from his rookie season. He always had that "it," factor. He passed the eye test even when his stats didn't completely agree.

 

Allen has improved a lot, but he always had what it took. You could say the franchise took a risk, and that is true, but the draft is always a risk. Even the top prospects are a risk. The failure rate for 1st round draft picks is very high.

 

We know Pegula like Mahomes a lot. That's about it. 

 

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article295355694.html

 

The failure rate on Allens profile was higher than a normal QB or normal draft pick. That is the point I'm making. If he showed some grit isn't really up for debate. He was obviously impressive in a lot of other ways.  

[GerstAusGosheim]

Imagine trading away the Mahomes pick and ending up with Josh Rosen.