Vinovich talks to Allen

[syhuang]

 

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

There were a bunch of bad ones. There was one I specifically remember where Ty Johnson got a short yardage 1st down and they spotted it a full yard back. They were all over the place with spots yesterday.

 

Ehh, the refs need to stop it from getting too chippy. What Mack did was illegal and worth a flag. I dont mind him doing it or getting the flag, we need to have more of that attitude on the field. But it is a penalty by the book and will get called, especially in a game where tempers are already flaring.

1.  In general, I’d rather have a missed call than a bogus call. Such as flagging Jerry Hughes for pushing his own teammate. 
 

2.  Jokers step over was a penalty. I’d much rather see it called in a 4 score blowout than a close game. And I don’t think he would have been called if he didn’t draw attention be stepping dramatically. 

[mikemac2001]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

yeah as someone mentioned in either the GDT or postgame thread, the side judge spotting the ball was shafting us pretty much all game it seemed like.  Continuously shaving off a half yard or so.

Ya that was some BS I think they didn’t do the bills any favors 

 

we got lucky on the TD since they called it a catch so it got reviewed and looked like a catch knee down ankle in air able the white.

 

other then that I thought it was pretty much all broncos on the calls 

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

As I watched the replay 13 pushed down on the defender's facemask as I he stood to extricate himself from the entanglement.  That is when the referee reached for the flag.  As I don't listen to the audio, I am not sure if it was just "unsportsman like", or if it was specifically taunting.  

 

It was specifically taunting.

[Coastie]

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

Honestly, I see that as a professional act of quality officiating. Admittedly, I am imagining the conversation. But, a respectful notification, "Hey 17, you can't behave like that. Tone it down, or you'll be penalized." That would be a case of the referee respecting the players and trying not to impact the game.

 

I have always assumed the refs talked to players between plays when they were pushing the limit so to speak, a warning that next time there could be a flag. Haven't been to enough live games to know what happens between media timeouts to know that a sideline conversation was so unusual but the consensus seems to be it is.

[theRalph]

All of this Bill Vinovich speculation is a hoot. If you read Vinovich's lips, you can see exactly what he said in response to Allen screaming at his crew:

"It happened [the D holding no-call]". That's not on them. That's on me." Then he pats Josh on the shoulder and goes on his way.

[ALLEN1QB]

Missing a holding call like that in the end zone is totally unacceptable what were they looking at that was the most important thing happening

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It was specifically taunting.

He also had stepped over the punt returner he nailed earlier in the game and very likely had gotten a warning already.  

[Back2Buff]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

You are the one gaslighting if you are trying to tell people that officials don't have jobs.    Vinovich is a longtime CPA.   These guys are all well-paid professionals away from the field.  Officiating is a decent paying gig but it's not like they are even making NFL veteran minimum doing it.   

 

The NFL appreciates your very unbridled passion about officiating though.   Consumers(and voters) make decisions largely based on emotions so they love that you are so stirred.  As long as there are people like you voting for the unnecessarily subjective system of officiating by showing additional interest in the league every time human error happens we will surely be subjected to more of the same.

 

The is truly one of the greatest posts on this board.  

 

The league would thrive without Bill.  The league won't survive without star players.  Ask all the now defunct leagues out there how they did with 3rd rate talent.

[Beast]

I don’t know because I did not hear the conversation but I can’t believe the ref came over and apologized to Allen while he’s sitting on the bench. Why would he offer any apology at all? And if he did why to Allen? You say that to the coach.

[CNYfan]

Almost Bradyesque

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Im fairness on the replay you see the back judge (who I think was Vinovich himself)

Vinovich is the referee, not the back judge. You do know where the referee is at on every scrimmage play, correct? 
 

Funny thing about the referee position is that it is not uncommon for them to not even know the result of a play.  They they have their eyes on the quarterback, watching out for roughing. So the referee sometimes relies entirely on the other officials to know if a pass what caught or incomplete. Even when it’s obvious to everyone watching. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

Honestly, I see that as a professional act of quality officiating. Admittedly, I am imagining the conversation. But, a respectful notification, "Hey 17, you can't behave like that. Tone it down, or you'll be penalized." That would be a case of the referee respecting the players and trying not to impact the game.

 

Yeah professional courtesy is cool, I am just saying that I have never seen that before. Not off the field tracked all the way to the bench.

[GASabresIUFan]

So let me see if I understand this.  Vinovich went to the sideline to berate Josh for complaining about a missed call without acknowledging that he and his crew missed a blatant holding call.   That makes perfect sense.

 

Translation: Vinovich - Don't you dare complain about my incompetence.

Edited 18 hours ago by GASabresIUFan

[RiotAct]

13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

So let me see if I understand this.  Vinovich went to the sideline to berate Josh for complaining about a missed call without acknowledging that he and his crew missed a blatant holding call.   That makes perfect sense.

 

Translation: Vinovich - Don't you dare complain about my incompetence.

Sal was saying earlier on WHR that’s he’s pretty sure Vinovich went over to apologize that they missed the call.  Take it FWIW.

[GASabresIUFan]

9 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Sal was saying earlier on WHR that’s he’s pretty sure Vinovich went over to apologize that they missed the call.  Take it FWIW.

That isn’t what Josh said in his post game interview.  Josh said the ref didn’t like being criticized.

 

Edited 18 hours ago by GASabresIUFan

[Mikey152]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

That isn’t what Josh said in his post game interview.  Josh said the ref didn’t like being criticized.

He didn't say it like that...Vinovich clearly wasn't scolding him.

 

I think Josh is just a classy guy who put that situation on himself instead of the refs. They will appreciate that.

[GASabresIUFan]

23 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

He didn't say it like that...Vinovich clearly wasn't scolding him.

 

I think Josh is just a classy guy who put that situation on himself instead of the refs. They will appreciate that.

Josh wasn’t that diplomatic with the sideline reporter.  If i find the video I’ll post it.

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Vinovich is the referee, not the back judge. You do know where the referee is at on every scrimmage play, correct? 
 

Funny thing about the referee position is that it is not uncommon for them to not even know the result of a play.  They they have their eyes on the quarterback, watching out for roughing. So the referee sometimes relies entirely on the other officials to know if a pass what caught or incomplete. Even when it’s obvious to everyone watching. 

 

That's what I think he was saying when he put his hand to his chest. It seemed to me like he might have been saying, "that penalty is not my call, that's not what I'm looking at on the play, so stop yelling that ***** at me."

 

[Doc]

He was apologizing.  The hand on the shoulder, putting his hand to his chest and the tap to the side of Josh's helmet are all signs.