Vinovich talks to Allen

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I obviously completely disagree. Hollins was trying to get to the end zone where he knew he’d get a reaction from the home town fans. It was his only catch of the game. He was NOT trying to show up or taunt the Denver defender. 

 

He high stepped over him and then was giving it the thumb over the shoulder towards Surtain like "what's that joker's problem?" you can't do either of those things. It is taunting. Correct flag thrown. 

 

Agree with @DrDawkinstein on the spots. The line judge on the far side from the tv view must have been drunk. He blew at least 4 that I counted. 3 Bills, 1 Broncos.

[SoonerBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

his body language it was in part.  He put his hand on his chest like  "my bad" 

Allen also patted him on the side, which I didn't notice before

That was my point, he did say it's pure bad we missed the call.  But I also agree he probably wa also warning Allen.

 

From his body language he was being cool about it.

[rajinka]

11 minutes ago, Chuck Schick said:

I don’t remember a single poor spotting of the ball?  I’m pretty sure they’re getting assistance from above on that these days. 

First half was pretty bad on alot of our runs

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He high stepped over him and then was giving it the thumb over the shoulder towards Surtain like "what's that joker's problem?" you can't do either of those things. It is taunting. Correct flag thrown. 

 

Agree with @DrDawkinstein on the spots. The line judge on the far side from the tv view must have been drunk. He blew at least 4 that I counted. 3 Bills, 1 Broncos.

How’s he supposed to step over him to get to his fans in the end zone?  Low step on his chest? 

[Don Otreply]

The refs blew at least two of very obvious DPI’s and A ruffing the QB on Josh, they were one legged men in an asz kicking contest at times, 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

How’s he supposed to step over him to get to his fans in the end zone?  Low step on his chest? 

 

Just step normally.

[Scott7975]

50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Im fairness on the replay you see the back judge (who I think was Vinovich himself) has eyes on what's happening right in front. His eyes flick to his right to Kincaid at the precise moment that Surtain lets go. I don't know if the side judge could have got involved to help there but when yoi are dealing with humans you are relying on their eyes being in the right place right on cue. It was a blown call but if you don't see it you can't call it.

 

While I do think something that blatant and out in the open shouldn't be missed, you are right. People are human and things get missed. 

 

The ref going to Josh at the bench to scold him seems a little weird though. Can't say I have ever seen that happen in over 40 years of watching the NFL. I mean not long ago Mahomes was going ballistic because the Kelce lateral play got called back due to a correct call. I don't recall a ref going over to scold him.

[DrDawkinstein]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

How’s he supposed to step over him to get to his fans in the end zone?  Low step on his chest? 

 

Step normally around him. Not big stepping right over him.

 

He absolutely meant to start taunting him as he got up. And that is ok.

22 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

The refs blew at least two of very obvious DPI’s and A ruffing the QB on Josh, they were one legged men in an asz kicking contest at times,

 

But also no ticky-tack holding calls against us, and no flagging Dion for blatantly illegally pulling/carrying the RB.

 

I'm fine with the refs allowing contact as long as they are letting the guys play through everything else.

[Scott7975]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Step normally around him. Not big stepping right over him.

 

He absolutely meant to start taunting him as he got up. And that is ok.

 

I mean its not really ok. It seems ok because we blown the team out. If that happened in a tight game and we lose out on a TD over it, then it's not ok. So to me, its never ok. I know players are just having fun but... rules are rules and that type of thing can cost a win.

[The 9 Isles]

What was up with the spotting of the ball? There was at least 5 times in yesterday’s game where the spotted the ball well short of where it actually should have been. 
 

 

 

 

 

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Edited 21 hours ago by The 9 Isles

[Don Otreply]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Step normally around him. Not big stepping right over him.

 

He absolutely meant to start taunting him as he got up. And that is ok.

 

But also no ticky-tack holding calls against us, and no flagging Dion for blatantly illegally pulling/carrying the RB.

 

I'm fine with the refs allowing contact as long as they are letting the guys play through everything else.

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[Sweats]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

For the obvious missed PI on Konkaid in the endzone.

 

" That's my bad bro" is what I lip read.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know, man........it kind of looked like he was saying, "how dare you question the judgement and mightiness of thou holy referees"

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I don't know, man........it kind of looked like he was saying, "how dare you question the judgement and mightiness of thou holy referees"

 

You joke, but I can almost guarantee it was much closer to that than any kind of apology.

[Dillenger4]

"Hey man... I'm truly grateful for the invite to your bash last night. Them Hollywood chix are sumpin else"!!

[Ralonzo]

once more now that it has a "caption me" thread more or less

 

"Sorry Josh, they got my wife and kids"

[Don Otreply]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Just step normally.

Yup, when what’s his name grabbed his leg/foot Hollins should have flopped for a flag, 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

He didn't apologize

 

He 100% said something was his fault. What that something is, we don’t know.

 

Allen was asked in the press conference if Vinovich apologized and Josh responded along the lines of “I won’t get into that”.

[ExWNYer]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He high stepped over him and then was giving it the thumb over the shoulder towards Surtain like "what's that joker's problem?" you can't do either of those things. It is taunting. Correct flag thrown. 

 

Agree with @DrDawkinstein on the spots. The line judge on the far side from the tv view must have been drunk. He blew at least 4 that I counted. 3 Bills, 1 Broncos.

 

Agree that it was the correct call. They enforced that to the letter of the law, as they should have. Personally, considering some of the other stuff they allow, I find that to be a stupid rule but Hollins is a vet who knows better. The game was in hand so it didn't matter but I was still miffed that he cost the Bills a potential TD with his selfishness. It's the playoffs, be more self-aware and buttoned up.

 

Agreed on the second point, as well. There were several horrible spots. The people saying they didn't see any either need to go back and watch the game again or schedule an eye exam.

[RochesterLifer]

50 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

While I do think something that blatant and out in the open shouldn't be missed, you are right. People are human and things get missed. 

 

The ref going to Josh at the bench to scold him seems a little weird though. Can't say I have ever seen that happen in over 40 years of watching the NFL. I mean not long ago Mahomes was going ballistic because the Kelce lateral play got called back due to a correct call. I don't recall a ref going over to scold him.

Honestly, I see that as a professional act of quality officiating. Admittedly, I am imagining the conversation. But, a respectful notification, "Hey 17, you can't behave like that. Tone it down, or you'll be penalized." That would be a case of the referee respecting the players and trying not to impact the game.