This Bills Team Version is much better than 13 seconds!!

[JP51]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Offense was not the problem....they scored 36 points.  Josh threw for 329 yards and 4 TDs.  Davis had 201 yards and 4 TDs.  Beasely went 6 for 8 for 60 yards.

 

This was a Defensive/coaching collapse--why focus on the Offense?  Still with same HC and 2 DC's later...

 

 

Gabe Davis played the game of his life that day... we need someone or someones on Defense to pull that off against the Ravens...  

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, JP51 said:

Gabe Davis played the game of his life that day... we need someone or someones on Defense to pull that off against the Ravens...  

 

it would have to be the entire Defense.  

[JP51]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

it would have to be the entire Defense.  

I will take that too... people have to play out of character.. gonna take a village.

[BillsBlue]

22 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

The 13 seconds team was a Super Bowl team that lost because of a stupid coaching blunder that should have never happened

100 percent agree 

On 1/13/2025 at 5:31 PM, st pete gogolak said:

I agree with most of this but NOT at safety.  In 2021, Hyde and Poyer were far from washed.  In fact, Hyde’s interception in the New England playoff game was one of the greatest Bills defensive plays of all time.

That was a great play and perhaps they weren't totally washed but they were getting there

22 hours ago, JP51 said:

I will take that too... people have to play out of character.. gonna take a village.

Absolutely and that's why I like our chances our team plays like a team, everyone's on the same page and selfless

On 1/13/2025 at 12:08 PM, RiotAct said:

yeah, but… ancient Indian burial ground.

My dad references this 😂 

On 1/13/2025 at 12:07 PM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Yeah I would probably buy that as a roster we're more balanced and built for this...but our biggest problem still remains. It's possible it can be overcome but it's obviously still there. 

I think clappy has learned a lot and improved a lot

[BillsBlue]

22 hours ago, dpberr said:

Besides core players having more experience in those situations, I think the Bills 2024 coordinators adjust faster and more effectively than coordinators in previous seasons.

 

I'd also like to think that stupid hail mary that Aaron Rodgers completed in the first Bills/Jets game this year was instructive on what not to do.

I agree it seems like clappy is less hands on and let's the coordinators coordinate 

22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is confusing two seasons - 2020 and 2021 at receiver. John Brown was not on the team for 13 seconds. He was released at the end of the 2020 season and replaced by Emmanuel Sanders. Diggs was healthy in 2021 he was banged up and not moving smoothly in the AFCCG in at the end of 2020 season. 

You would be right about mixing up the roster a little, it was Emmanuel and not brown, but Beasley was in rough shape for 13 seconds and iirc Diggs got suplexed and seemed to give up in that game....he always played like crap against the chiefs but how can you beat the refs and the players when they're allowed to mug you and hold you all game??

[Steptide]

I'm still convinced had we won the 13 seconds game, we would've went to the superbowl that season. That offense was just on fire. Imo though, our defense is really no different now, than it was then. Let's just hope the coaching staff is better prepared 

[Pete]

9 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I'm still convinced had we won the 13 seconds game, we would've went to the superbowl that season. That offense was just on fire.

The Bills would of won the Super Bowl. That offense was unstoppable

[ganesh]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:34 PM, UKBillFan said:

I agree, the Bills are better now than the 13 seconds version. And I do think the Chiefs have taken a step back. But, unfortunately, the Ravens are a lot better than they were back then. I think, as a unit, they are better than KC were even then - especially as the Bills were/are built to neuter KC. The same cannot be said for Baltimore.

 

That's not to say the Bills can't beat the Ravens, but it's a game where nothing would be a surprise. The Bills could blow the Ravens out. The Ravens could blow the Bills out. Or it could come down to the final second.

The Ravens lost 5 games in the regular season...there is a blue print somewhere in those games that expose their vulnerabilities and gives the opponents a chance to take them down.  This is the playoffs - all teams are almost equal in ability and it all comes down to how the game is managed on game day.  Go Bills !!!

[Brand J]

On 1/13/2025 at 4:36 AM, Just Jack said:

Did someone bring up 13 seconds again?

 

 

Several factors contributed to the loss

1) 13 seconds

2) they had all three time outs left

3) they had Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill

4) some Bills players and coaches were already celebrating on the sidelines like the game was over

5) they only needed a FG to tie and go to OT. 

 

I still maintain it would’ve been better for the Bills to be up 2, not 3. I don’t think they play nearly as soft in that situation. 

Edited Saturday at 03:53 PM by Brand J

[klos63]

On 1/13/2025 at 4:07 AM, BillsBlue said:

This just in- IMO We will storm our way to the superbowl and we will roll every team in our way!!! Why you ask am I so confident?? It's because of this current Bills Squads young talent that replaced our aged out vets being faster and stronger as well as more skilled. Hear me out....

 

Skill players on offense now vs then-

 

Now wr's-Cooper/Coleman/hollins/Shakir/samuel

Everyone eats mode

 

Then wr's- me me Diggs/drops Davis/smokey john brown/hurting limping Beasley 

**Clearly better Now

 

Now rb's- All pro level Talent Jimbo Cooks,The Hammer Davis, TD catching Ty Johnson

 

Then rb's- Singletary who was Mr average and a fumbler and I can't remember who else

**Clearly better Now

 

Tight end Now- Kincaid and  best version Knox a law firm you can trust!!

 

Tight end then- Knox without his veteran polish and thats basically it.

**Clearly better now 

 

O-line now- Bills Best version in the last 20 or more years!!

 

O-line then-Some serious weak links at gaurd vs now and hurt Spencer Brown

**Clearly better Now

 

Qb then- JA17 who was pressing too much and not playing as smart as he does now(still prolific)

 

Qb now-JA17 best version yet, not a turnover guy any longer, can kill you with death by a thousand cuts or a mean deep ball. 

**Clearly better now

 

I'm out of time folks but the defense is also Clearly upgraded across all levels imo as well, DL no question, lb not even close, corner for certain, safety probably a wash( I love po and Hyde but they were nearly washed in 21 and got worse year over year, were too slow). 

 

Don't stress this team is different and the coaching staff is better especially on offense as we now have balance. We couldn't run effectively back then either and now we're dangerous running the ball. We clearly improved a ton vs then and I'd argue KC got worse and Baltimore is slightly better than they were in 21. 

 

Get your wings and bourbon ready!!!  LFG BILLS!!TIME FOR A REVENGE TOUR BABY!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Drops Davis" had 4 TD's in that game of I remember correctly. 

[st pete gogolak]

1 minute ago, Brand J said:

I still maintain it would’ve been better for the Bills to be up 2, not 3. I don’t think they play nearly as soft in that situation. 

I still maintain it would’ve been better for the Bills to be up 2, not 3. I don’t think they play nearly as soft in that situation. 

Agree 100%. Bills should have went for two at the end. “We’re winning this thing right now!” should have been the attitude.  Unbelievably, had they gone for two and made it, the defense was so soft, KC would have had a decent chance to score a TD at the end (made it to the Bills’ 30 yard line in two plays).

[BillsBlue]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

I'm still convinced had we won the 13 seconds game, we would've went to the superbowl that season. That offense was just on fire. Imo though, our defense is really no different now, than it was then. Let's just hope the coaching staff is better prepared 

That Bengals team was tough for sure they were like a buzzsaw

2 hours ago, Pete said:

The Bills would of won the Super Bowl. That offense was unstoppable

It's possible they had a real punchers chance

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

The Ravens lost 5 games in the regular season...there is a blue print somewhere in those games that expose their vulnerabilities and gives the opponents a chance to take them down.  This is the playoffs - all teams are almost equal in ability and it all comes down to how the game is managed on game day.  Go Bills !!!

I agree and I think we will have their number 

55 minutes ago, klos63 said:

"Drops Davis" had 4 TD's in that game of I remember correctly. 

He sure did but after that game he never showed up like that again and was invisible often

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

That Bengals team was tough for sure they were like a buzzsaw

It's possible they had a real punchers chance

I agree and I think we will have their number 

He sure did but after that game he never showed up like that again and was invisible often

So that was his only 4 td game? What a bum.

[BillsBlue]

9 hours ago, klos63 said:

So that was his only 4 td game? What a bum.

I mean what a game it was but at the end of the day he had no consistency after that as a player and it caused us to not pick up at a wide receivers for a couple seasons which held the team back and also digs out the team back with his crybaby me attitude now that everyone eats the teams much more consistent

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

I mean what a game it was but at the end of the day he had no consistency after that as a player and it caused us to not pick up at a wide receivers for a couple seasons which held the team back and also digs out the team back with his crybaby me attitude now that everyone eats the teams much more consistent

And yet he got a $15M per year deal to play in Jacksonville

[BillsBlue]

3 hours ago, ganesh said:

And yet he got a $15M per year deal to play in Jacksonville

Biggest heist of the century

[HerdMentality]

NO. ------ But maybe we still win ! 2 VERY god teams.

 

This is the media narrative that tries to cover their backsides after they wrote us off this year.  Don't swallow;;;;;

[BillsFanForever19]

On 1/13/2025 at 6:07 AM, BillsBlue said:

This just in- IMO We will storm our way to the superbowl and we will roll every team in our way!!! Why you ask am I so confident?? It's because of this current Bills Squads young talent that replaced our aged out vets being faster and stronger as well as more skilled. Hear me out....

 

Skill players on offense now vs then-

 

Now wr's-Cooper/Coleman/hollins/Shakir/samuel

Everyone eats mode

 

Then wr's- me me Diggs/drops Davis/smokey john brown/hurting limping Beasley 

**Clearly better Now

 

Now rb's- All pro level Talent Jimbo Cooks,The Hammer Davis, TD catching Ty Johnson

 

Then rb's- Singletary who was Mr average and a fumbler and I can't remember who else

**Clearly better Now

 

Tight end Now- Kincaid and  best version Knox a law firm you can trust!!

 

Tight end then- Knox without his veteran polish and thats basically it.

**Clearly better now 

 

O-line now- Bills Best version in the last 20 or more years!!

 

O-line then-Some serious weak links at gaurd vs now and hurt Spencer Brown

**Clearly better Now

 

Qb then- JA17 who was pressing too much and not playing as smart as he does now(still prolific)

 

Qb now-JA17 best version yet, not a turnover guy any longer, can kill you with death by a thousand cuts or a mean deep ball. 

**Clearly better now

 

I'm out of time folks but the defense is also Clearly upgraded across all levels imo as well, DL no question, lb not even close, corner for certain, safety probably a wash( I love po and Hyde but they were nearly washed in 21 and got worse year over year, were too slow). 

 

Don't stress this team is different and the coaching staff is better especially on offense as we now have balance. We couldn't run effectively back then either and now we're dangerous running the ball. We clearly improved a ton vs then and I'd argue KC got worse and Baltimore is slightly better than they were in 21. 

 

Get your wings and bourbon ready!!!  LFG BILLS!!TIME FOR A REVENGE TOUR BABY!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think there's positions that are better now than it was then, there are positions that are better then than they are now, and there are positions that are about the same.

 

You could make an argument we're playing better as a team than we were then and you could make an argument that we are a better roster. But you could easily make an argument the team was better than. Arguing that this team is "much" better now? I think that's drinking a little too much of the kool-aid....

 

QB: Starter and Backup is literally the exact same as 2021.

 

RB: James Cook is clearly better than Devin Singletary.

 

WR: I couldn't possibly disagree with your assessment any more. Stefon Diggs (pre-issues) was a Top 5 WR in the league, Cole Beasley (before he fell off), Gabe Davis (ESPECIALLY in that game), Emmanuel Sanders, and Isaiah McKenzie (at his best) are CLEARLY better than we are now. It's really not even debatable.

 

TE: Kincaid and Knox is clearly better than Knox and Sweeney.

 

OL: We had Dawkins then. Spencer Brown was on the team, but he was a Backup to Daryl Williams - who was playing fine (but not at the level of Brown this year). The Guards are Better this year. But i'd argue 2021 Morse is better than McGovern. I think the play is better now than it was then though.

 

DE: Rousseau and Epenesa were on the 2021 Roster. 2021 Hughes and 2025 Von is at least a wash (I'd probably give the edge to Hughes). Plus 2021 had Addison. I'd say DE is probably a wash, if not edge to 2021.

 

DT: 2021 was clearly better. Ed Oliver, Harrison Phillips, and Star Lotulelei def trump Oliver, Jones, and Carter.

 

LB: 2021 was clearly better. Matt Milano pre-injuries. Full stop. Tremaine Edmunds v. Terrel Bernard - even if you prefer Bernard, it's not by so much that it makes up for Prime Milano.

 

CB: We're better than we were in the 13 seconds game bc Tre White was injured. If he wasn't, I'd give the edge to 2021.

 

S: 2021 was clearly better. We had Hyde and Poyer back there before they hit the wall. All you need to say.

 

ST: Same Kicker, same long snapper, Sam Martin v. Matt Haack is the only difference. Martin is better than 2021 Haack.

Edited yesterday at 09:34 AM by BillsFanForever19

[BillsBlue]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think there's positions that are better now than it was then, there are positions that are better then than they are now, and there are positions that are about the same.

 

You could make an argument we're playing better as a team than we were then and you could make an argument that we are a better roster. But you could easily make an argument the team was better than. Arguing that this team is "much" better now? I think that's drinking a little too much of the kool-aid....

 

QB: Starter and Backup is literally the exact same as 2021.

 

RB: James Cook is clearly better than Devin Singletary.

 

WR: I couldn't possibly disagree with your assessment any more. Stefon Diggs (pre-issues) was a Top 5 WR in the league, Cole Beasley (before he fell off), Gabe Davis (ESPECIALLY in that game), Emmanuel Sanders, and Isaiah McKenzie (at his best) are CLEARLY better than we are now. It's really not even debatable.

 

TE: Kincaid and Knox is clearly better than Knox and Sweeney.

 

OL: We had Dawkins then. Spencer Brown was on the team, but he was a Backup to Daryl Williams - who was playing fine (but not at the level of Brown this year). The Guards are Better this year. But i'd argue 2021 Morse is better than McGovern. I think the play is better now than it was then though.

 

DE: Rousseau and Epenesa were on the 2021 Roster. 2021 Hughes and 2025 Von is at least a wash (I'd probably give the edge to Hughes). Plus 2021 had Addison. I'd say DE is probably a wash, if not edge to 2021.

 

DT: 2021 was clearly better. Ed Oliver, Harrison Phillips, and Star Lotulelei def trump Oliver, Jones, and Carter.

 

LB: 2021 was clearly better. Matt Milano pre-injuries. Full stop. Tremaine Edmunds v. Terrel Bernard - even if you prefer Bernard, it's not by so much that it makes up for Prime Milano.

 

CB: We're better than we were in the 13 seconds game bc Tre White was injured. If he wasn't, I'd give the edge to 2021.

 

S: 2021 was clearly better. We had Hyde and Poyer back there before they hit the wall. All you need to say.

 

ST: Same Kicker, same long snapper, Sam Martin v. Matt Haack is the only difference. Martin is better than 2021 Haack.

Great assessment although I think dl wise at worst a wash if not slightly better now, epwnesa and Rousseau are heads and shoulders above where they were then they're much improved and I think von is back....DT you have a point there....wr I beg to differ because Diggs was a target hog and was getting in the way of team success, beez and Shakir are a wash if not slight edge to Shakir he's sensational, and Cooper has been kept as healthy and lightly used as possible for the next couple games and also we have mack and Coleman and samuel(finally healthy), I think these wr's playing as a team will be harder to shut down than basically having to double Diggs and then the wheels fall off....and lb to me is better now I strongly prefer Bernard to out of place 15 year old forever 'maine lol 😆  and Milano is back to form it seems as well....wothwr way let's figgin win it all!!! Go bills 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, BillsBlue said:

Great assessment although I think dl wise at worst a wash if not slightly better now, epwnesa and Rousseau are heads and shoulders above where they were then they're much improved and I think von is back....DT you have a point there....wr I beg to differ because Diggs was a target hog and was getting in the way of team success, beez and Shakir are a wash if not slight edge to Shakir he's sensational, and Cooper has been kept as healthy and lightly used as possible for the next couple games and also we have mack and Coleman and samuel(finally healthy), I think these wr's playing as a team will be harder to shut down than basically having to double Diggs and then the wheels fall off....and lb to me is better now I strongly prefer Bernard to out of place 15 year old forever 'maine lol 😆  and Milano is back to form it seems as well....wothwr way let's figgin win it all!!! Go bills 

 

Diggs was not a target hog in that game. He played the role that Cooper has been playing for us as of late. Which allowed Davis to go nuclear for 200 yards and FOUR TD's. As much as I like Cooper, he's not 2021 Diggs. 

 

Milano is playing better. But to say he's fully back playing like the top OLB in Football like he was back then? No. I haven't seen that.

 

Of course, it goes without saying, I'd love to see us win it all. And God, I hope it happens. But let's not distort history. You can say we're better in some areas, but to state this is a MUCH better team than that year is a wild take.

Edited 19 hours ago by BillsFanForever19