Bills vs Ravens Divisional Round

[jaybeezee]

Just now, Pete said:

Bills had a 48% pressure rate against the Broncos, which is a great pressure rate.  I’ll sign up for a 48% pressure rate against Lamar 

We need the to get Sacks! I dont care that they get close. When they do, the reason that they arent getting the sacks is because they whiff like I said earlier!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Chris Simms on the Bills philosophy in the first game:

 

"We don't know what to stop, so let's just play conservative" - simple schemes, limited pre-snap movement, linebackers 5-6 yards off the line of scrimmage, safety plays too far back. Did nothing at the line of scrimmage to cause confusion. 

 

Trying to play safe and prevent the big play did nothing but allow the big plays to happen. 

 

2nd-Half the Bills got more aggressive and had "success" slowing the Ravens down. Too little, too late. 

 

Spent a lot of time on the Derrick Henry 87-yard TD run. 

 

"Bend don't Break might have been cool with Lamar the first two years of his career" - Lamar is too good in the pocket and make decisions. 

 

 

Going forward: 

 

It would be a win for the Bills defense to hold the Ravens to 30. 

 

Going to have to crowd the LOS - run blitz, will leave some voids, crowd the line, then drop zones. 

 

Not going to be able to sit back in soft zone all day - pick spots on when to play man coverage. 

 

Might see some three DTs, with Von Miller and Greg Rousseau on the edge. 

 

On offense the Bills "can push around that Ravens front" just got behind the first game and abandoned the run. 

 

Now work to get Baltimore into man to man - their corners can still be beaten - they're not "great" man to man corners. Everything for them has been trounce the run and keep safety over top. If you can run, Kyle Hamilton comes down into the box to stop Cook and Allen. 

 

Bills were conservative offensively as well - everything was quick short passes - need to throw the ball down the field early - otherwise Ravens come downhill to stop Allen and Cook. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Straight Hucklebuck

[gordong]

4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

austin johnson and taylor rapp both got hurt early in the ravens game too.  Rapp got a concussion tackling henry in the first quarter and johnson got an oblique injury at some point in the game.  Can't remember when.

miller was suspended as well 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

And tomorrow will be Thursday. 

Anymore bad news?

[Pete]

1 minute ago, jaybeezee said:

We need the to get Sacks! I dont care that they get close. When they do, the reason that they arent getting the sacks is because they whiff like I said earlier!

We all want sacks!  We need more sacks!  That being said, pressure rate is huge as well.   Nix was rattled, and we shut him down after their TD. Smoot rocked his world on that play.  The Bills did a great job disguising pressures and coverages.  Nice D game plan Bobby!

[Chuck Schick]

11 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I dont care who was drafted near him. It still doesn't change the fact that he is not worth a first. We have had to many JAGS drafted on defense within the 1st and second rounds that have done very little. I personally blame development . Cant be that every player we draft on the D-Line becomes this way.

Man you’re really digging yourself a credibility hole. Step away and look at this roster and the amount of home grown, developed talent.  Early and later draft picks, udfa’s, depth and role players that have bounced around the league a little…this regime is one of the best in the league.  
100% hit rate? Of course not. But WAY better than most teams 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, gordong said:

miller was suspended as well 

 

Miller played 9-snaps as the Bills almost positively knew his suspension was coming. 

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, gordong said:

miller was suspended as well 

 

So Shakir, Johnson and Rapp got injured and left game.

No Von

No Milano

No Bernard

No Cooper

Samuel limited?

who else?  Taron?

 

[HappyDays]

21 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I dont care who was drafted near him. It still doesn't change the fact that he is not worth a first. We have had to many JAGS drafted on defense within the 1st and second rounds that have done very little. I personally blame development . Cant be that every player we draft on the D-Line becomes this way.

 

Rousseau is not a JAG. That's patently ridiculous. Of course I wish he was Myles Garrett but there are many tiers between Garrett and the AJ Epenesas of the world, so lumping Rousseau and him together is silly and you know it. Very good player and a great pick considering who was drafted after him. Singlehandedly takes an entire side of the field away from RBs and mobile QBs.

[gordong]

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

So Shakir, Johnson and Rapp got injured and left game.

No Von

No Milano

No Bernard

No Cooper

Samuel limited?

who else?  Taron?

 

Josh had a broke left hand

[YattaOkasan]

25 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I dont care who was drafted near him. It still doesn't change the fact that he is not worth a first. We have had to many JAGS drafted on defense within the 1st and second rounds that have done very little. I personally blame development . Cant be that every player we draft on the D-Line becomes this way.

How many players do you think had double digit sacks?  You seem to think thats the only way to justify a first round pick.  Essentially you dont think 1st rounders should be spent on DEs then.  Answer only 17 double digit sack guys this year.  

[Pete]

1 minute ago, gordong said:

Josh had a broke left hand

I forgot about that.  That bothered him deep into the season.  Even recently, a few games ago I think he aggravated it

[YattaOkasan]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Rousseau is not a JAG. That's patently ridiculous. Of course I wish he was Myles Garrett but there are many tiers between Garrett and the AJ Epenesas of the world, so lumping Rousseau and him together is silly and you know it. Very good player and a great pick considering who was drafted after him. Singlehandedly takes an entire side of the field away from RBs and mobile QBs.

dude essentially thinks that you shouldnt draft DEs in the first round with this logic.  I (and many others) have a different approach to team development.  

[jaybeezee]

15 minutes ago, Chuck Schick said:

Man you’re really digging yourself a credibility hole. Step away and look at this roster and the amount of home grown, developed talent.  Early and later draft picks, udfa’s, depth and role players that have bounced around the league a little…this regime is one of the best in the league.  
100% hit rate? Of course not. But WAY better than most teams 

So lets continue to draft 8 sack or less guys and then overpay for a  Von Miller type because the ones we draft havent panned out. 

3 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

How many players do you think had double digit sacks?  You seem to think thats the only way to justify a first round pick.  Essentially you dont think 1st rounders should be spent on DEs then.  Answer only 17 double digit sack guys this year.  

Double digit sacks is a start. Leonard Floyd had better seasons than anyone of Rousseau or AJ. Heck, Kyle Vanoy who was sitting on a couch has had a better season then these 2 combined!

 

Oh and BTW, there are 27 other players this year that had more sacks to answer part of your question. I never said 17 sacks is the standard,  said double digit sack seasons.

Edited 2 hours ago by jaybeezee

[JGMcD2]

36 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

I dont care who was drafted near him. It still doesn't change the fact that he is not worth a first. We have had to many JAGS drafted on defense within the 1st and second rounds that have done very little. I personally blame development . Cant be that every player we draft on the D-Line becomes this way.

Huh? You don’t care who was drafted around him, those were the options at the position. The draft isn’t a free market, it’s dictated by the talent available. 
 

That being said you not pay attention to the fact he’s been one of the top 10-15 players IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS?! That’s undoubtedly worth a first round pick. 

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

We need the to get Sacks! I dont care that they get close. When they do, the reason that they arent getting the sacks is because they whiff like I said earlier!

 

Whether they get sacks or not, constantly pressuring the other QB usually leads to negative outcomes.  Nix is very lucky he didn't have at least 2-3 INTs with all of the poor throws and high balls from being pressured.

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Huh? You don’t care who was drafted around him, those were the options at the position. The draft isn’t a free market, it’s dictated by the talent available. 
 

That being said you not pay attention to the fact he’s been one of the top 10-15 players IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS?! That’s undoubtedly worth a first round pick. 

 

Sounds like a person who has an inability to use logical thinking but wants to argue anyway even when their opinion which they must defend makes no sense.

[Pete]

1 minute ago, jaybeezee said:

So lets continue to draft 8 sack or less guys and then overpay for a  Von Miller type because the ones we draft havent panned out. 

Do you have the correct prescription on your glasses?  A casual observer can notice Rousseau making several big plays every day. He bats a lot passes down.  He pass rush success rate is one of the top 5 in the playoffs.  14 teams started.   So 14 teams=28 DE.  If Rousseau is top 5 in a sample size of 28-how does that add up to a JAG in your book?

 

  
 

 

 

 

 

[jaybeezee]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Huh? You don’t care who was drafted around him, those were the options at the position. The draft isn’t a free market, it’s dictated by the talent available. 
 

That being said you not pay attention to the fact he’s been one of the top 10-15 players IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS?! That’s undoubtedly worth a first round pick. 

So dont draft a DE there. He was a reach as it was and was projected to be a late second rounder from all of the experts as it was.  I wont go through the long list of better players that were drafted after him that year.

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

So dont draft a DE there. He was a reach as it was and was projected to be a late second rounder from all of the experts as it was.  I wont go through the long list of better players that were drafted after him that year.

You’re still ignoring him being a TOP 10-15 PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS!!!!!! 
 

Only 3 guys selected after him have provided more value to their teams, and the Bills drafted one of them! 
 

How is that a reach? There were literally only 3 other choices drafted in the 220(ish) picks taken after him that could have been better value than Rousseau. 

Edited 2 hours ago by JGMcD2

[Pete]

DE is a premium position