Bills vs Ravens Divisional Round

[Pete]

On 1/14/2025 at 7:28 AM, Buryravens said:

Does anyone dispute Lamar and King as the best QB/RB duo? Honestly, a 3x MVP QB and The King. 

 

[jaybeezee]

32 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Today, the Bills are the number 2 scoring and red zone offense in the NFL.  They beat the chiefs and lions and all without Diggs.  What on earth are you gripping about?  

Personally, I don't want another Watkins draft nor a diggs veteran signing.  Pre Madonnas don't thrive in Buffalo.  This is not that kind of city nor fans.

Yeah, until you run into a defense that can and will capitalize on the fact that we have no deep threats that will consistently challenge their DB's downfield. Baltimore's defense is ready for the dink and dunk stuff that we do. 

[That's No Moon]

One thing I don't understand is why teams don't just pound Lamar (or any other RPO QB)?

 

It's my understanding that if a player carries out a fake and continues to act like they have the ball they are legal to hit. So hit him. Hard. Every time. Tell the refs you are doing it in your pregame pow wow so they are ready for it and just rock him every time he does it. He's not the biggest guy. I'm not suggesting you're trying to hurt someone, that's wrong, what I'm suggesting is you take some of the enthusiasm out of running those plays and carrying out those fakes. 

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

 

Problem is we have some of the smallest LBs in the league so there is no "going heavy"

 

 

 

I'm sure it wont be an issue though and we win easy, by 2 TDs or over by halftime

Play 5 dlineman.  Von, oliver, jones, johnson, Rouseau.   Not all times would be an interesting wrinkle to start.  

[Magox]

39 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

The Pittsburgh game was very interesting in what they tried to do to limit Henry/Lamar on the read option. The DE crashed every time to keep Henry from getting it and the LB scraped to Lamar’s side but they just got toasted constantly by Lamar because they weren’t fast enough or other guys lost leverage on the blocks.

 

I think I’d do the opposite. I’d have the DEs stay home and not give Lamar the edge, but go heavy with 3 LBs and bring a safety down or run blitz on likely running downs. Without Flowers their WR aren’t great, and Andrew’s is coverable by TB. 

 

 

 

 

This has been my thinking as well ever since watching the Steelers game.   Edge defenders set the edge and essentially force Lamar to hand it off and then attack with run blitzes up the middle, essentially try to create a funnel into the blitzes.

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Yeah, until you run into a defense that can and will capitalize on the fact that we have no deep threats that will consistently challenge their DB's downfield. Baltimore's defense is ready for the dink and dunk stuff that we do. 

Yeah, we will see.

[CaseyatBat]

2 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Yeah, until you run into a defense that can and will capitalize on the fact that we have no deep threats that will consistently challenge their DB's downfield. Baltimore's defense is ready for the dink and dunk stuff that we do. 

 

At some point this Bills team is going to lose the turnover battle and at some point they are going to have to win by hitting things downfield, you can only go so far with short passes and QB sneaks. 

 

But not this week of course, Bills win easy 20-28 points maybe

[co_springs_billsfan]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

One thing I don't understand is why teams don't just pound Lamar (or any other RPO QB)?

 

It's my understanding that if a player carries out a fake and continues to act like they have the ball they are legal to hit. So hit him. Hard. Every time. Tell the refs you are doing it in your pregame pow wow so they are ready for it and just rock him every time he does it. He's not the biggest guy. I'm not suggesting you're trying to hurt someone, that's wrong, what I'm suggesting is you take some of the enthusiasm out of running those plays and carrying out those fakes. 

Hurt, yes.  Injure, no.

[That's No Moon]

Just now, co_springs_billsfan said:

Hurt, yes.  Injure, no.

More like strongly discourage.

 

Maybe I'm wrong and they've changed the interpretation of that rule. If so, ok. But that's the way I think it is.

Edited 5 hours ago by That's No Moon

[CaseyatBat]

3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

One thing I don't understand is why teams don't just pound Lamar (or any other RPO QB)?

 

It's my understanding that if a player carries out a fake and continues to act like they have the ball they are legal to hit. So hit him. Hard. Every time. Tell the refs you are doing it in your pregame pow wow so they are ready for it and just rock him every time he does it. He's not the biggest guy. I'm not suggesting you're trying to hurt someone, that's wrong, what I'm suggesting is you take some of the enthusiasm out of running those plays and carrying out those fakes. 

 

Cause then they would do the same thing with Allen

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by CaseyatBat

[That's No Moon]

Just now, CaseyatBat said:

 

Cause then they would do the same thing with Allen

 

 

We don't run nearly as much of that and Allen is a much larger person.

 

FTR I don't get why teams don't do it to Allen either.

Edited 5 hours ago by That's No Moon

[eball]

37 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Reminds me of ex wife #3

 

Nah, this one's a keeper at 27.5 years and counting.  And don't get me wrong, I enjoy the nice seats too...

 

[That's No Moon]

4 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

 

At some point this Bills team is going to lose the turnover battle and at some point they are going to have to win by hitting things downfield, you can only go so far with short passes and QB sneaks. 

 

But not this week of course, Bills win easy 20-28 points maybe

Define "downnfield" they completed several passes downfield last week.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

 

At some point this Bills team is going to lose the turnover battle and at some point they are going to have to win by hitting things downfield, you can only go so far with short passes and QB sneaks. 

 

But not this week of course, Bills win easy 20-28 points maybe

Philosophically with how we’ve been scheming both sides of the ball it is very very difficult for us to lose the turnover battle.  Not saying it’s you but people talk about it like it’s luck every week it’s pretty weird 🤣

[transplantbillsfan]

Are the Ravens not practicing today?  I can't find any update on whether Zay Flowers is practicing or not.

[Toledo Bill]

13 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

 

Cause then they would do the same thing with Allen

 

 

Opposing teams always try to put the hurt on Allen.

[CaseyatBat]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Philosophically with how we’ve been scheming both sides of the ball it is very very difficult for us to lose the turnover battle.  Not saying it’s you but people talk about it like it’s luck every week it’s pretty weird 🤣

 

I mean the fumbles have definitely been lucky

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

23 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Yeah, until you run into a defense that can and will capitalize on the fact that we have no deep threats that will consistently challenge their DB's downfield. Baltimore's defense is ready for the dink and dunk stuff that we do. 

Teams literally give us the dink and dunk stuff in the flats because spying/containing josh and taking away the middle/deep middle of the field when he can roll left or right and throw rockets all over the field is really difficult.  They gamble he’ll get impatient and he has very very rarely done so this season.

 

it isn’t like we only like short passes/dumpoffs lol. I’d think it’s closer to the opposite 

2 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

 

I mean the fumbles have definitely been lucky

Most times a fumble seems like a really nice punchout and people always call it luck for some reason lol. A fudged up snap or something like that I’d say can definitely be luck.  The bills frequently force opposing offenses to go a lot of plays without a mistake so even the ‘lucky’ fumbles are somewhat schemed up in a way 

Edited 5 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

There's technique involved, but not to the same degree as you need to play CB, WR, etc.

Those spots in the scrum are want to positions where effort can supersede everything else.

 

My understanding of what I was told is that technique and contact balance are important (especially on OL) but that in the NFL, pretty much everyone who is starting has very good technique.  So intensity and want-to make a difference.

28 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

One thing I don't understand is why teams don't just pound Lamar (or any other RPO QB)?

 

It's my understanding that if a player carries out a fake and continues to act like they have the ball they are legal to hit. So hit him. Hard. Every time. Tell the refs you are doing it in your pregame pow wow so they are ready for it and just rock him every time he does it. He's not the biggest guy. I'm not suggesting you're trying to hurt someone, that's wrong, what I'm suggesting is you take some of the enthusiasm out of running those plays and carrying out those fakes. 

 

I'd like to see where that understanding is written in the NFL rule book, because I don't think it's right.  At best, it would become a judgement call of "are they really acting like they still have the ball?" and "when did they stop acting like they still have the ball?"

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

32 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

This is honestly pretty crazy lol