Bills vs Ravens Divisional Round

[Scott7975]

 

[RunTheBall]

The Pittsburgh game was very interesting in what they tried to do to limit Henry/Lamar on the read option. The DE crashed every time to keep Henry from getting it and the LB scraped to Lamar’s side but they just got toasted constantly by Lamar because they weren’t fast enough or other guys lost leverage on the blocks.

 

I think I’d do the opposite. I’d have the DEs stay home and not give Lamar the edge, but go heavy with 3 LBs and bring a safety down or run blitz on likely running downs. Without Flowers their WR aren’t great, and Andrew’s is coverable by TB. 

 

 

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, sleeby said:

Today, the Bills are the number 2 scoring and red zone offense in the NFL.  They beat the chiefs and lions and all without Diggs.  What on earth are you gripping about?  

Personally, I don't want another Watkins draft nor a diggs veteran signing.  Pre Madonnas don't thrive in Buffalo.  This is not that kind of city nor fans.

It's not that I don't want a primadonna, it's that I really like the Pats style where anyone and everyone can and will get the ball. Raise your hand if you had Curtis Samuel on your bingo card on Sunday.

[YattaOkasan]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

So all NFC teams except Cinci. Teams that don't have to go through KC, like I pointed out to you earlier. The NFC doesn't have a team like Mahomes and the Chiefs. At least not on a year by year basis.

Also call SF LAR and PHI turnarounds is funny especially since SF and LAR are on this list as making the SB previously.  Clearly they just had a down year and met his "top 15" (lol) criteria.  That really means TB and Cinci.  Silly logic.

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

 

Ironically this bills team is built more like the 91 Washington team. Only difference is Rypien was a solid game manager, Allen being a first ballot Hof QB 

[Success]

The Ravens are a great team - but it's not like they have an '07 Pats offense and an '85 Bears defense.  The way they're being hyped, you would think this is a complete mismatch.

 

People are putting too much on that 1st game where they blew us out. That was a weird vibes game from the start - we had been on such a roll, and we just came out flat that day, which happens.  We were also missing Shakir & 4 defensive starters (a 5th was lost early in the game).  

 

I feel fantastic about this game.  I like that we're being overlooked, and that many are already talking about KC/Baltimore in the AFCCG.  We're at  home.  We have the bigger chip on our shoulder.  It will probably be close, but I could see a scenario where we win big.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Success

[TBBills Fan]

35 minutes ago, eball said:

 

If it was just me going I'd drive with you...but I've got my better half in tow so I had to spring for plane tickets and the "nice" seats.

 

At least we're staying with friends so I saved that expense...

 

 

Reminds me of ex wife #3

[JohnBonhamRocks]

21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I don’t like putting Shakir in harms way so much because of his value to the offense. I do feel that he is more sure handed, though Codrington has a great burst. He just makes me a little nervous with the way he carries the ball. 

Yeah, I would not want him back there for a season. But he had 7 and 23 yards on his two punt returns against DEN and Codrington is coming off an injury.

21 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Throwing the Cod piece to the side, just like that?

Not long term. Just playoffs. Shakir is so dynamic.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

The Pittsburgh game was very interesting in what they tried to do to limit Henry/Lamar on the read option. The DE crashed every time to keep Henry from getting it and the LB scraped to Lamar’s side but they just got toasted constantly by Lamar because they weren’t fast enough or other guys lost leverage on the blocks.

 

I think I’d do the opposite. I’d have the DEs stay home and not give Lamar the edge, but go heavy with 3 LBs and bring a safety down or run blitz on likely running downs. Without Flowers their WR aren’t great, and Andrew’s is coverable by TB. 

 

 

Chris Simms talks about this all the time - you’re going to have to take calculated risks on defense.

 

Of course crashing to stop the run can lead to too many people in the backfield and Henry getting into the second level with no one left to tackle him.

 

Lamar is the 2nd rated passer against 2-high shell. So if the unwritten rule is we can’t take Taron Johnson off the field, then the only way to keep him on and get all three linebackers on the field is to play one high safety. 
 

Regardless of any scheme and WRs - Joe Marino has showed this over and over in his All-22’s - playing soft zone has been picked apart all year. 
 

Going to have to tighten up the cushion up and bank on Benford, Johnson and Douglas holding up. 
 

Also, when Damar is on the field, please stop with him blitzing - it’s really pathetic to watch him stop at the LOS because he can’t get through. 

[YattaOkasan]

2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Yeah, I would not want him back there for a season. But he had 7 and 23 yards on his two punt returns against DEN and Codrington is coming off an injury.

Not long term. Just playoffs. Shakir is so dynamic.

I was thinking this too.  Especially if they were really desperate to get another roster spot for some reason, it would be an interesting strategy to put shakir back there in the playoffs but not in the regular season cause you dont want him taking that abuse all year.  

[jletha]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

The Ravens are a great team - but it's not like they have an '07 Pats offense and an '86 Bears defense.  The way they're being hyped, you would think this is a complete mismatch.

 

People are putting too much on that 1st game where they blew us out. That was a weird vibes game from the start - we had been on such a roll, and we just came out flat that day, which happens.  We were also missing Shakir & 4 defensive starters (a 5th was lost early in the game).  

 

I feel fantastic about this game.  I like that we're being overlooked, and that many are already talking about KC/Baltimore in the AFCCG.  We're at  home.  We have the bigger chip on our shoulder.  It will probably be close, but I could see a scenario where we win big.

 

I agree that the vibes in this game are mismatched from the reality of how close we are. But I keep seeing that Shakir was out in the previous game but its wrong.

 

Shakir played! And he had the biggest play of the game in the 3rd Q.

[Wraith]

1 minute ago, jletha said:

I agree that the vibes in this game are mismatched from the reality of how close we are. But I keep seeing that Shakir was out in the previous game but its wrong.

 

Shakir played! And he had the biggest play of the game in the 3rd Q.

He injured his ankle early on but returned to the game, hobbled. He missed the following game against Houston with the injury. I think it is fair to include him in the list of players we were missing for that first Baltimore game.

[YattaOkasan]

1 minute ago, Wraith said:

He injured his ankle early on but returned to the game, hobbled. He missed the following game against Houston with the injury. I think it is fair to include him in the list of players we were missing for that first Baltimore game.

Certainly he was affected by the injury and the rematch between him and humphrey could be a bit better this go around.

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

The Pittsburgh game was very interesting in what they tried to do to limit Henry/Lamar on the read option. The DE crashed every time to keep Henry from getting it and the LB scraped to Lamar’s side but they just got toasted constantly by Lamar because they weren’t fast enough or other guys lost leverage on the blocks.

 

I think I’d do the opposite. I’d have the DEs stay home and not give Lamar the edge, but go heavy with 3 LBs and bring a safety down or run blitz on likely running downs. Without Flowers their WR aren’t great, and Andrew’s is coverable by TB. 

 

 

I generally agree with this.  I’d run right at Lamar to take the mystery out of where the ball is going.  Put the onus on the DL/backers to maintain gap integrity and get Henry down.  Mix and match coverages (that is, move the safeties around and hold our breath and run man a bit more than usual) to maybe confuse Lamar and steal a possession. 
 

 

[Success]

5 minutes ago, jletha said:

I agree that the vibes in this game are mismatched from the reality of how close we are. But I keep seeing that Shakir was out in the previous game but its wrong.

 

Shakir played! And he had the biggest play of the game in the 3rd Q.

 

You're right.  All this time I thought he missed the game.  He actually did get injured in the game, but returned (I think he missed the next week, though).

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

35 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Yeah I saw that post already. You said there were teams consistently doing better than us. Or are you saying that consistently other teams can go from picking in the top 15 (lol top 10 or top 5 would make this compelling rather than clearly good teams that had a down year and missed playoffs, SF, PHI, LAR being "bad" teams is laughable) to making the Super Bowl. Cause yeah welcome to the parity of the NFL. I still contend you’re mostly showing me info on when teams played the chiefs. If we were in the NFC we would have been to the SB. That’s the problem most peeps have with your analysis. 

This equivalence between top 15 pick and rebuild is completely false for a lot of the teams he listed.  Sf was good every year except for 2020 where they got ravaged by injuries.  Rams and Bucs were loaded which let them plug and play a good qb. If the rams make the nfc championship this year it might fit his point but that hasn’t happened yet. 

The one year the eagles were real bad was incredibly bizarre I don’t even think that was a full rebuild type situation.  Seemed like drafting hurts just nuked wentz’s confidence 

 

10 minutes ago, jletha said:

I agree that the vibes in this game are mismatched from the reality of how close we are. But I keep seeing that Shakir was out in the previous game but its wrong.

 

Shakir played! And he had the biggest play of the game in the 3rd Q.

Yea I think he was a bit hobbled for that game though and missed the Texans game due to the injury he played through in Balt.  Went down with an ankle injury early, got taped up, missed Texans game the next week with an ankle.  I doubt he was close to 100% 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Kelly to Allen]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

We say this, but what are we wanting to be better moving forward?

 

McDermott clearly has a style and that style involves an undersized defense that plays base Nickel.

 

We could certainly upgrade at DT and Safety, but the plan for Safety next year will likely be two guys on this roster in Rapp/Bishop.  The Linebackers will be Milano, Bernard and Williams.  Taron will be the Nickel.  We probably draft a CB high to compete with Elam opposite Benford, and that guy is replacing a solid/good CB in Rasul.  The DE's could be upgraded but I could see them bringing back Smoot, they'll likely pay Rousseau, AJ will be back and will whoever we have next year (outside a blockbuster trade), definitely be better than Von right now?

 

I can't accept DT being a valid excuse if we don't advance, when we paid Oliver, paid Daquan, and drafted a DT in RD3, after taking a S who barely plays as a rookie in RD2.  

 

We are healthy.  Figure it out and go win. 

 

I have zero doubt with Sean McDermott and this type of opponent. McDermott is built for this type of game 

[Mat68]

21 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

The Pittsburgh game was very interesting in what they tried to do to limit Henry/Lamar on the read option. The DE crashed every time to keep Henry from getting it and the LB scraped to Lamar’s side but they just got toasted constantly by Lamar because they weren’t fast enough or other guys lost leverage on the blocks.

 

I think I’d do the opposite. I’d have the DEs stay home and not give Lamar the edge, but go heavy with 3 LBs and bring a safety down or run blitz on likely running downs. Without Flowers their WR aren’t great, and Andrew’s is coverable by TB. 

 

 

Imo you need to treat it like coverage.  Gotta mix it up.  Second and third level rules by Pittsburgh got manipulated and  they never reacted to it.  Living with ends containing Lamar from getting the edge will result in death.  That is why the Bills nickel has faired well vs Lamar the trick will be tackling Henry. 

[dpberr]

28 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

The Pittsburgh game was very interesting in what they tried to do to limit Henry/Lamar on the read option. The DE crashed every time to keep Henry from getting it and the LB scraped to Lamar’s side but they just got toasted constantly by Lamar because they weren’t fast enough or other guys lost leverage on the blocks.

 

I think I’d do the opposite. I’d have the DEs stay home and not give Lamar the edge, but go heavy with 3 LBs and bring a safety down or run blitz on likely running downs. Without Flowers their WR aren’t great, and Andrew’s is coverable by TB. 

 

 

I like that approach.

[CaseyatBat]

 

Problem is we have some of the smallest LBs in the league so there is no "going heavy"

 

 

 

I'm sure it wont be an issue though and we win easy, by 2 TDs or over by halftime