AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[Big Turk]

I mean at this point all I can picture are the MVP voters sitting down to fill out their ballot and they sit there and they struggle as to what to do...then they pull out their folded up post it note in their pocket that they made for themselves prior,  open it up, look at it and all it says is:

 

"Don't pick Josh Allen.  No matter what."

 

Like the scene in Draft Day.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

QB's get heavily penalized for INT's and don't get a lot of credit for rushing production 

Should have a real shot next year with more awareness. 

 

Yea I do feel awareness plays in. Certainly for smaller market teams like the Bills. Poyer was all pro standard for like 3 years before he got the recognition. Milano similar tbh. They both got recognition in their final high level season.

[Steptide]

Bulletin board material. Let them doubt. Hopefully it puts a chip on their shoulders 

[Mikey152]

4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

There are years that Josh Allen hasn’t been voted the best one or two at his position in the league… so what does that mean then? 
 

I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy, just quit clutching on to some writers voting on games they don’t even watch. 

To me, that is the real key. Anybody who uses stats to say Lamar is better (or Josh for that matter) is instantly tuned out in my book. 

 

I have watched a handful of Ravens games this season, and a bunch more over Lamar's career. There isn't one single time I have EVER thought Lamar Jackson was a better player than Josh Allen...not 1. Heck, there are still some routes he can't reliably complete. He is not a complete quarterback. But, Baltimore does a great job hiding his weaknesses and playing to his strengths most of the time, so he is productive and they win a lot. Derrick Henry was a stroke of genius. 

 

To me, Lamar as MVP is a joke. He's the definition of a system quarterback.

 

 

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Those are great players, I don’t think we can any of them tier 1 in the way I’m talking about. How many opposing coaches worry about game planning for Taron Johnson the same way they have to game plan for Chris Jones? Is Benford the type of lockdown problem that takes away half a field? Even the BS sports media would typically notice that. 
 

Cook could probably be an every down work horse if we wanted, so the potential is certainly there. But I don’t think he alone causes the defense the types of problems Henry or Saquan do. 
 

And again, those types of players don’t grow on trees. But I think it’s fair to wonder why we don’t have someone besides Allen who brings that to the table after 8 seasons. 

Idk man, you tell me… 
 

Surtain: 37 catches allowed on 52 targets (71%), 7 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 317 yards given up.

 

Benford: 31 catches allowed on 51 targets (60%), 8 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 279 yards given up.

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I do feel awareness plays in. Certainly for smaller market teams like the Bills. Poyer was all pro standard for like 3 years before he got the recognition. Milano similar tbh. They both got recognition in their final high level season.

@Mikie2times wait so you agree here, but shoot me down for suggesting Benford, Brown and Cook are elite level players?

 

Could it be the media takes awhile to catch on like you agree with @GunnerBill here… 

[Buddy Hix]

Allen is the MVP, but won’t get it.

 

That game against the Pats where Brady called a vanilla plan screwed Allen. That was all the voters needed to see. 

[Doc Brown]

22 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

All Pro's are the best one or two at that position in the league. We do not have any players outside of Taron who are the best one or two players at the position. It's not a conspiracy. 

Yeah.  Beane's hit a lot of doubles and triples.  His only home run was luckily a quarterback.  I guess Wyatt Teller would be a home run down 13-0 in the ninth.

[DrDawkinstein]

Good. I want a pissed off, fueled up Allen for the playoffs. And then when they snub him on the MVP, he'll go nuclear on whoever we face in the Super Bowl.

 

Only MVP that matters is Super Bowl MVP

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Idk man, you tell me… 
 

Surtain: 37 catches allowed on 52 targets (71%), 7 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 317 yards given up.

 

Benford: 31 catches allowed on 51 targets (60%), 8 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 279 yards given up.

@Mikie2times wait so you agree here, but shoot me down for suggesting Benford, Brown and Cook are elite level players?

 

Could it be the media takes awhile to catch on like you agree with @GunnerBill here… 

I think Brown is a fringe all pro, but not at all surprised he didn't get it. Taron is a top 3 Nickle, Cook is not an All Pro back, should have been a Pro Bowl back and maybe the same applies to Benford. Those DB's stats mean little to me without context of coverage being played. All in all I think this team has very limited high end talent which is what the All Pro team specifically is. 

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Idk man, you tell me… 
 

Surtain: 37 catches allowed on 52 targets (71%), 7 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 317 yards given up.

 

Benford: 31 catches allowed on 51 targets (60%), 8 forced incompletions, 5 pass break ups and 279 yards given up.

@Mikie2times wait so you agree here, but shoot me down for suggesting Benford, Brown and Cook are elite level players?

 

Could it be the media takes awhile to catch on like you agree with @GunnerBill here… 

Benford is technically CB2 so his #s don’t compare exactly with surtain but the bills also play zone and broncos play man so it’s hard to say 

[vincec]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Benford was robbed.

Maybe I’m way off, but who was the last CB that played mostly zone to be all-pro? Richard Sherman?

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

haha.  Lamar.  Okay.  Can't wait to see the Steelers destroy them this weekend.  

I would absolutely froth my loins if this happened.

I hate the Ravens (Ray Lewis murdered & got a statue- Fitting for that city)

I hate the city of Baltimore; all the dirt of a blue collar city, none of the charm.

19% of reported visitors find rusty hypodermic needles in their food (I made this up, but its probably close)  

I hate their fans.

I imagine their stadium smells like Stavros' computer chair

I dont actually hate Lamar, but everything else I listed makes me forget I don't.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

He didn’t even get a single All Pro vote.

 

I don’t think I would trust the AP reporters to vote on what I should have for lunch at this point.

 

I kept hearing all mvp talk crap on X for half the year "what do you mean Josh doesnt have any help.. he has the best oline in football." Ok where is that reflected in votes?

[TheBrownBear]

I think Allen is the better player and more valuable to his team, but it is very hard to ignore Lamar's numbers this season. I really can't blame the voters for going in Lamar's direction this season. 

 

I honestly believe that Allen is an all-time great.  Top 5-10 at his position.  It's wild to think he may never win an MVP or first team all-pro.  

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Okay for the first time I think Josh might not win MVP.

 

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yeah I think he loses out.  Insane.

 

4 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I'm sad that Josh appears to be getting screwed by the AP(MVP too) and the Bills are so disrespected they only got one 2nd teamer. As Jake said in Major League, "Win the whole damn thing!" 

 

I have a feeling the cobwebbed boomer writers are holding a grudge for him declining to be 7th string ProBowl QB LOL

[TheBrownBear]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I kept hearing all mvp talk crap on X for half the year "what do you mean Josh doesnt have any help.. he has the best oline in football." Ok where is that reflected in votes?

And then they'll say, "Spencer Brown only looks great because he plays among the best line in football and protects the most elusive QB in the league.  Same goes for Dion Dawkins." 

 

I'm not typically a crybaby or conspiracy theorist, but it sometimes feels like there is a some sort of bias against the current iteration of the Buffalo Bills.

[Scott7975]

Just now, TheBrownBear said:

And then they'll say, "Spencer Brown only looks great because he plays among the best line in football and protects the most elusive QB in the league.  Same goes for Dion Dawkins." 

 

I'm not typically a crybaby or conspiracy theorist, but it sometimes feels like there is a some sort of bias against the current iteration of the Buffalo Bills.

 

They dont want to award Josh because they all said he was trash and would bust when he was drafted. Giving him the award would be admitting they were wrong, so every year they get a convenient excuse if they just move the goal posts a little bit.

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

And then they'll say, "Spencer Brown only looks great because he plays among the best line in football and protects the most elusive QB in the league.  Same goes for Dion Dawkins." 

 

I'm not typically a crybaby or conspiracy theorist, but it sometimes feels like there is a some sort of bias against the current iteration of the Buffalo Bills.

Is Dawkins the #1 or #2 tackle in the NFL? Is Brown? 

[dma0034]

It's quite insulting for Lamar to win last year with mediocre stats but "team success" and then turn around the next year and overlook the "team success" for stats. Embarrassing honestly

[Inigo Montoya]

13 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I kept hearing all mvp talk crap on X for half the year "what do you mean Josh doesnt have any help.. he has the best oline in football." Ok where is that reflected in votes?

 

We have a really good O Line, not intending to diss them at all, but when you have Houdini back there it covers up a lot of warts and makes the stats look good.  Put Tua or Goff back there and see what the sack numbers look like.