AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[C.Biscuit97]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Lamar stats are crazy and he beat Josh head to head. He has played really well. But Josh is the “most valuable” and anyone who has watched a bills game this year knows that. And the media are a bunch of Lamar apologists no matter what. I would laugh if lamar won mvp and lost in the wild card bc he didn’t have his WR1.

Let’s be honest: if the stats were reversed and Allen beat Lamar helped the Bills beat the Ravens 35–10, we would riot if Lamar got the MVP. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Prescott had too many issues winning against anyone of note on the road to be in the convo.

He had better numbers than Lamar and Josh last year.  Lamar has better numbers this year.  Prescott should be the comparison of why voters who gave the award to Lamar last year should've given it to Allen this year.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

THe other two times Lamar was MVP he was also AP1...

[T.E.]

5 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Also, Josh Allen had some stuff on social media from when he was a teenager, that came out years ago.  Some journalists certainly have not forgotten that. 

Yes, quoting rap lyrics was an unforgivable sin to the same people who are fine with guys like Brandon Marshall (multiple arrests for beating wife) and Michael Vick (dog-fighting vice lord) getting media gigs after "redeeming" themselves.

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Let’s be honest: if the stats were reversed and Allen beat Lamar helped the Bills beat the Ravens 35–10, we would riot if Lamar got the MVP. 

Allen had over 50% more total TDs than Lamar last year, Lamar still won MVP, and there was no rioting then.

[Scott7975]

34 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

If the Ravens drop this weekend’s game to the Steelers, I think Lamar’s MVP chances go up in smoke. 
 

It’s supposed to be a regular season award, but how can they give the guy more MVP’s than he has playoff wins? I mean come on… 

 

The votes for that were already in this past Wednesday. MVP has already been decided. It just isnt announced until SB week.

[MikePJ76]

We have our new nickname for the Defense.  We need them to play angry starting sunday.

 

I give you.

 

The No All Pro's.  

 

has a nice ring to it.  Go win the superbowl and put them on the cover  of SI with that headline, How the No All Pro's won a championship.

 

yes I know magazines are dead

Edited 6 hours ago by MikePJ76

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Let’s be honest: if the stats were reversed and Allen beat Lamar helped the Bills beat the Ravens 35–10, we would riot if Lamar got the MVP. 

give me a break lol

 

the rioting last year was because 1 dude out of 50 had the temerity to deny Jackson a second unanimous MVP

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, transient said:

5 rushing TDs  W/L 5-5                                                                3 rushing TDs  W/L 2-4

 

I think the Ravens have lost a little differently in the playoffs than the Bills have.

 

The Ravens lose in large part BECAUSE of Lamar, The Bills almost never lose because of Allen.  Lamar is a replacement level player in the playoffs.

[Kaenon]

1st team All-Pro QB / NFL MVP...

 

2015: Newton / Newton

2016: Ryan / Ryan

2017: Brady / Brady

2018: Mahomes / Mahomes

2019: Jackson / Jackson

2020: Rodgers / Rodgers

2021: Rodgers / Rodgers

2022: Mahomes / Mahomes 

2023: Jackson / Jackson

2024: Jackson / ???

[Pecos Bills]

36 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Look at what happens to Lamar when Henry struggles.  That tells the story.  Henry is the MVP of that team, not Lamar. If Cook struggles, Josh just goes nuclear.

Exactly right.  Henry joining the Ravens this year is the reason Lamar had the best statistical season of his career so far.  His next best season was 2019, which was the only other time he had a 1000 yard rusher (Mark Ingram).  He's a great player but way more dependent on his supporting cast than Josh.

[Scott7975]

 

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Odds are updating to be implied at about 65%. Still the favorite, but he's dropping for sure. 

Source?

 

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/

 

To me it seems that nothing has changed, he is still a huge favorite at most sites.

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, T.E. said:

Stats didn't matter last year and that's why Lamar deserved it in 2023, but stats are the only thing that is important this year and that's why Lamar also deserves it for 2024.

 

Three MVPs with his overall resumé is beyond laughable.

Stats did matter last year. But no year in NFL history has QB not been able to win it on the merit of his passing stats alone. That isn't fair in Bills fans eyes, but it's been consistent. 

 

These are the updated odds from an offshore book

 

21 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Source?

 

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/

 

To me it seems that nothing has changed, he is still a huge favorite at most sites.

Those didn't update I guess, but I just checked Bovada and sure enough 

[BearNorth]

This travesty makes McDermott a shoe in for coach of the year.  How does a team win 13* games with 1 All-Pro? [* Asterisk is because we didn't play most of our starters in the Finale]

[BigDingus]

I'm gonna be SO pissed if Allen doesn't win MVP.

 

Many people have told me all year that they don't care, it's all about the Super Bowl.

 

But I care, and I'm greedy. Super Bowl for the team achievement, and MVP for Allen.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, Process said:

 

What Ari says is true to the point of it being the same voters. I actually think it strengthens the case it will be Allen as some may very well have said "Well it's close so I'll take Lamar for this and Allen for that" to kinda split their voting.

[DapperCam]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What Ari says is true to the point of it being the same voters. I actually think it strengthens the case it will be Allen as some may very well have said "Well it's close so I'll take Lamar for this and Allen for that" to kinda split their voting.

That has never happened before, but maybe this year will be the first time.

[DD4Bills]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

Elway was the only one I believe.

It's not just QBs...every MVP since Elway in 1987 has been a 1st Team All Pro (Elway was 2nd Team that year). Most have been QBs, but the list since 1987 also includes a few RBs (Thurmon, Emmitt Smith, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Shaun Alexander, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson).

 

Josh getting passed over again (most likely) is just more fuel for the fire.

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

The argument in favor of Josh Allen continues to rely heavily on the narrative surrounding him, but what many Bills fans seem to overlook is the narrative from the national media — that Josh Allen was never supposed to be this good. 

 

While some have shifted their stance, there remains a palpable frustration among many who feel they were wrong about Allen. This is in stark contrast to how people felt about Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. With those two, there was no strong pre-draft expectation, as they weren’t viewed as Top 10 picks. There was satisfaction in being proven wrong with them, but with Josh, acknowledging the misjudgment feels far more difficult.

 

A similar argument can be made for Lamar Jackson—though the narratives around the two are quite different. Lamar Jackson, unlike Allen, entered the 2018 NFL Draft as a dynamic playmaker who won the Heisman Trophy in 2016, Jackson’s style of play captivated college football fans and earned him national acclaim. With Allen, the frustration for his critics comes from the difficulty of admitting they were wrong about his ceiling, while with Jackson, the pride comes from seeing a player defy the doubts about his unconventional approach. Both narratives are filled with a sense of "proving people wrong," but in Jackson’s case, it was more about silencing the critiques of his playing style and refining his game, while Allen had to overcome more fundamental doubts about his potential to succeed at all.

 

To win an MVP, Allen will likely need to separate himself by such a significant margin that even the most persistent critics can no longer deny his greatness. The path to MVP for him is not just about playing well; it’s about playing dominantly—so well that even the questions about his development and past doubts become irrelevant. Unless Allen has a season where his performance is undeniably head and shoulders above everyone else, the narrative will remain focused on past criticisms.

 

 

 

Spot on.  Fantastic post.  
 

 

It’s just unfortunate that it’s true.  
 

The sports media is just as ***t as the fake news.   

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, DD4Bills said:

It's not just QBs...every MVP since Elway in 1987 has been a 1st Team All Pro (Elway was 2nd Team that year). Most have been QBs, but the list since 1987 also includes a few RBs (Thurmon, Emmitt Smith, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, Shaun Alexander, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson).

 

Josh getting passed over again (most likely) is just more fuel for the fire.

If I were an MVP voter I pry would give Lamar the first team All Pro nod and Allen the MVP.  History obviously isn't on Allen's side but this is a unique MVP race considering what happened last year.