AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Benford did get votes for all pro. Him and Dion were basically the only guys other than Josh that did.

He deserves them. I haven’t heard anyone outside Buffalo mention his name as it relates to this matchup. I know he’s technically a CB2 but although this defense is not great overall, he should be someone that the media starts to realize is an impact player

Edited 4 hours ago by YoloinOhio

[Augie]

Notre Dame has one 5 Star recruit, and they are beating teams with 15-20.  Those are just labels handed out by strangers. It’s a team game. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He deserves them. I haven’t heard anyone outside Buffalo mention his name as it relates to this matchup. I know he’s technically a CB2 but although this defense is not great overall, he should be someone that the media starts to realize is an impact player

 

I don't think he is a CB2. He might have been at the start of the year but he has become the guy that teams are trying to stay away from.

[Doc Brown]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And interestingly last year's 1 for Josh voted for Lamar this time.

At least he's consistent.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Lamar stats are crazy and he beat Josh head to head. He has played really well. But Josh is the “most valuable” and anyone who has watched a bills game this year knows that. And the media are a bunch of Lamar apologists no matter what. I would laugh if lamar won mvp and lost in the wild card bc he didn’t have his WR1.

So would I and it could happen.

[DapperCam]

7 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Because they called him a running back pre draft, so he’s still seen as an “underdog” or something.
 

Which is interesting, because the proven way to beat him has historically been to take away the running game and make him throw the ball 30+ times, so… 

Like one guy called him a running back (Bill Polian) and everybody gasped at the time and told him that wasn’t cool.

 

Feels like we can let that go by now after 3 MVPs

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The argument in favor of Josh Allen continues to rely heavily on the narrative surrounding him, but what many Bills fans seem to overlook is the narrative from the national media — that Josh Allen was never supposed to be this good. 

 

While some have shifted their stance, there remains a palpable frustration among many who feel they were wrong about Allen. This is in stark contrast to how people felt about Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. With those two, there was no strong pre-draft expectation, as they weren’t viewed as Top 10 picks. There was satisfaction in being proven wrong with them, but with Josh, acknowledging the misjudgment feels far more difficult.

 

A similar argument can be made for Lamar Jackson—though the narratives around the two are quite different. Lamar Jackson, unlike Allen, entered the 2018 NFL Draft as a dynamic playmaker who won the Heisman Trophy in 2016, Jackson’s style of play captivated college football fans and earned him national acclaim. With Allen, the frustration for his critics comes from the difficulty of admitting they were wrong about his ceiling, while with Jackson, the pride comes from seeing a player defy the doubts about his unconventional approach. Both narratives are filled with a sense of "proving people wrong," but in Jackson’s case, it was more about silencing the critiques of his playing style and refining his game, while Allen had to overcome more fundamental doubts about his potential to succeed at all.

 

To win an MVP, Allen will likely need to separate himself by such a significant margin that even the most persistent critics can no longer deny his greatness. The path to MVP for him is not just about playing well; it’s about playing dominantly—so well that even the questions about his development and past doubts become irrelevant. Unless Allen has a season where his performance is undeniably head and shoulders above everyone else, the narrative will remain focused on past criticisms.

 

 

 

It is patently ABSURD that the most productive player in the history of the NFL on a per game basis in both the regular season AND post season is going to 0 MVP's after 7 years.

[Billsfanatic8989]

How can a QB be so successful in the regular season, yet stink it up in the postseason. The only explanation I have is better defenses have found weaknesses in Lamar. Maybe they study his entire body of work in the regular season.

 

Meanwhile, Allen has not seen as drop off between regular season performance and postseason performance. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Billsfanatic8989

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Lamar stats are crazy and he beat Josh head to head. He has played really well. But Josh is the “most valuable” and anyone who has watched a bills game this year knows that. And the media are a bunch of Lamar apologists no matter what. I would laugh if lamar won mvp and lost in the wild card bc he didn’t have his WR1.

 

That was the whole argument FOR Lamar last year, that he beat all the best teams down the stretch even tho his stats were a joke and worse than Allen's this year.  Now that Josh is in the same boat they want to flip the "rules"??   It's obvious this is simply now "do whatever we have to so that Allen doesn't win MVP"

12 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

Because they called him a running back pre draft, so he’s still seen as an “underdog” or something.
 

Which is interesting, because the proven way to beat him has historically been to take away the running game and make him throw the ball 30+ times, so… 

 

Still works this year...he is 2-5 when Henry has under 90 yards.

Edited 4 hours ago by Big Turk

[Ralonzo]

If MVP is always a QB and the 1st Team All-Pro is by definition the best QB, then why have an MVP at all?

 

They aren't the same thing. MVP was over after the 4 game run out of the bye. 3 statement victories and a whole lot of things never done before by anyone who had ever played the position - including the 3+3 TD loss to the Rams which makes one wonder how do the Bills win any games at all with that defense and special teams?

 

Yeah. That. Exactly.

[T.E.]

18 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The argument in favor of Josh Allen continues to rely heavily on the narrative surrounding him, but what many Bills fans seem to overlook is the narrative from the national media — that Josh Allen was never supposed to be this good. 

 

While some have shifted their stance, there remains a palpable frustration among many who feel they were wrong about Allen. This is in stark contrast to how people felt about Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. With those two, there was no strong pre-draft expectation, as they weren’t viewed as Top 10 picks. There was satisfaction in being proven wrong with them, but with Josh, acknowledging the misjudgment feels far more difficult.

 

A similar argument can be made for Lamar Jackson—though the narratives around the two are quite different. Lamar Jackson, unlike Allen, entered the 2018 NFL Draft as a dynamic playmaker who won the Heisman Trophy in 2016, Jackson’s style of play captivated college football fans and earned him national acclaim. With Allen, the frustration for his critics comes from the difficulty of admitting they were wrong about his ceiling, while with Jackson, the pride comes from seeing a player defy the doubts about his unconventional approach. Both narratives are filled with a sense of "proving people wrong," but in Jackson’s case, it was more about silencing the critiques of his playing style and refining his game, while Allen had to overcome more fundamental doubts about his potential to succeed at all.

 

To win an MVP, Allen will likely need to separate himself by such a significant margin that even the most persistent critics can no longer deny his greatness. The path to MVP for him is not just about playing well; it’s about playing dominantly—so well that even the questions about his development and past doubts become irrelevant. Unless Allen has a season where his performance is undeniably head and shoulders above everyone else, the narrative will remain focused on past criticisms.

 

 

A big element also is that Allen is a tall, good-looking, All-American type, and this is the exact type of person that a lot of journalist dweebs really resented in high school and still dislike now. It sounds ridiculous, but a lot of people never get over stuff like that and misremember perfectly kind people as villains because they took their crush to prom or because of something else equally meaningless.

[US Egg]

My year younger brother was named Captain on our Varsity hockey team.

 

I know what it’s liked to be overlooked.

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That was the whole argument FOR Lamar last year, that he beat all the best teams down the stretch even tho his stats were a joke and worse than Allen's this year.  Now that Josh is in the same boat they want to flip the "rules"??   It's obvious this is simply now "do whatever we have to so that Allen doesn't win MVP"

Prescott had better numbers last year than Allen or Lamar.  He should be the comparison.

[tigerthelion]

3 minutes ago, T.E. said:

A big element also is that Allen is a tall, good-looking, All-American type, and this is the exact type of person that a lot of journalist dweebs really resented in high school and still dislike now. It sounds ridiculous, but a lot of people never get over stuff like that and misremember perfectly kind people as villains because they took their crush to prom or because of something else equally meaningless.

Also, Josh Allen had some stuff on social media from when he was a teenager, that came out years ago.  Some journalists certainly have not forgotten that. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Prescott had better numbers last year than Allen or Lamar.  He should be the comparison.

as did Goff and Purdy

[C.Biscuit97]

34 minutes ago, MJS said:

Winning the MVP is a big deal. Winning a Super Bowl is obviously better, but it is fine to care about other awards and achievements besides just the Super Bowl. It is cool when a member of your favorite team gets major awards.

 

And your point about caring about another man's award could be used for the Super Bowl as well. What is the point about caring about a Super Bowl win? You aren't a member of the team. It isn't your trophy.

Fair counter. As I’ve gotten older, I don’t care as much about individual players. Still root for them but they move around so much and it’s like the Bronx Tale Mickey Mantle thing (does he care if your bills get paid).

 

I can understand Allen being different because of the doubts and he won’t move around like other dudes. But the Bills to me is all about the Buffalo now. No matter where I go, I have pride that Buffalo can go head to head against the big boys and stand tall. The second the Bills aren’t the Buffalo Bills, I’m done. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Prescott had better numbers last year than Allen or Lamar.  He should be the comparison.

 

Prescott had too many issues winning against anyone of note on the road to be in the convo.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, US Egg said:

My year younger brother was named Captain on our Varsity hockey team.

 

I know what it’s liked to be overlooked.

Same thing happened to me. He got Assistant and I got a feel sorry for the older brother A as well. I didn’t talk when I was younger. 
 

still had way more goals and points than that nerd though!

[colin]

bookies still have josh up, so i presume it is likely to happen.

 

as much as i like josh and think he's the best ever, im not a fan of players, im a fan of the NFL Buffalo franchise, The Buffalo Bills.  I want a chip.  if it's all laurels and no chip, i don't want it.  if it's snubs and anger and pissed off players showing the fugg out in the post season rubbing dirt in the faces of the media who said it shouldn't happen and a chip, then i really want that.

 

the lombardi is Valhalla for football teams, and all of the players on them.  awards are the prattling of people who do not hoist the lombardi. 

[transient]

1 hour ago, GolfandBills said:

He loses in post season just like we do

5 rushing TDs  W/L 5-5                                                                3 rushing TDs  W/L 2-4

 

I think the Ravens have lost a little differently in the playoffs than the Bills have.