AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[Coffeesforclosers]

So this means Sean McDermott is a lock for COY right? Since apparently this team is composed mostly of JAGs?

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

This is really well thought out.....but I highly doubt the AP has Solomon Wisdom 

 

Nor do they have Solomon Wilcots, but that didn't stop them from overlooking many Buffalo Beeows.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i don't necessarily see the difference in closeness between this year and last tbh...and last year Lamar won it 49-1 lol

 

And interestingly last year's 1 for Josh voted for Lamar this time.

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i don't necessarily see the difference in closeness between this year and last tbh...and last year Lamar won it 49-1 lol

 

Look at what happens to Lamar when Henry struggles.  That tells the story.  Henry is the MVP of that team, not Lamar. If Cook struggles, Josh just goes nuclear.

Edited 5 hours ago by Big Turk

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Coffeesforclosers said:

So this means Sean McDermott is a lock for COY right? Since apparently this team is composed mostly of JAGs?

Well I haven’t heard Christian Benfords name once this week but if I had a nickel for every time I heard “pat surtain” I could retire tomorrow. 
 

sean will never get COY bc of 17 though 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

Teams with more All Pros than the Bills:

- Cincy (2)

- Pittsburgh (3)

- Denver (5)

- Indy (2)

-Jacksonville (2)

- KC (4)

- Baltimore (6)

- New England (2)

- Dallas (3)

- Detroit (6)

- Minnesota (3)

- Philly (6)

- San Fran (3)

- Washington (4)

 

And the Bills are arguably a top 3 team in the league in terms of results. Combined with the lack of Pro Bowl accolades, either:

- The roster is very underrated and some guys are getting snubbed.

- Allen should be the run away MVP winner with such a weak supporting cast.

- Sean McDermott should be coach of the year for dragging these bums to the #2 seed, beating both #1 seeds in the process.

McDermott should be winning his 3rd coach of the year award this year (2017 and 2020). And yet, he hasn't gotten one yet. And now that the Bills are seen as an elite team, he probably won't ever win one since the award doesn't go to the best coaches, it goes to the coach of the team that doesn't suck as much as people think.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

So this means Sean McDermott is a lock for COY right? Since apparently this team is composed mostly of JAGs?

 

While I'm not his biggest fan, Sean should have earned the respect to at least be DISCUSSED in the conversation

literally no one brings him up for it. 

[GunnerBill]

I have just been back to 2016. Can't find a year where the difference in votes between MVP and 1st team all pro is more than 6.

 

6 moving direct from Lamar to Josh would result in co-MVPs.

Edited 4 hours ago by GunnerBill

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, MJS said:

McDermott should be winning his 3rd coach of the year award this year (2017 and 2020). And yet, he hasn't gotten one yet. And now that the Bills are seen as an elite team, he probably won't ever win one since the award doesn't go to the best coaches, it goes to the coach of the team that doesn't suck as much as people think.

Vikes, Broncos, etc 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well I haven’t heard Christian Benfords name once this week but if I had a nickel for every time I heard “pat surtain” I could retire tomorrow. 
 

sean will never get COY bc of 17 though 

 

Benford did get votes for all pro. Him and Dion were basically the only guys other than Josh that did.

[Bill51390]

Allen only second team all pro and the only Bill to make an all pro team. Only two pro bowlers and looks like no MVP for Allen. If this is the case they better give McDermott coach of the year, to have the success he has with this team and lack of talent. 

[JGMcD2]

The argument in favor of Josh Allen continues to rely heavily on the narrative surrounding him, but what many Bills fans seem to overlook is the narrative from the national media — that Josh Allen was never supposed to be this good. 

 

While some have shifted their stance, there remains a palpable frustration among many who feel they were wrong about Allen. This is in stark contrast to how people felt about Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. With those two, there was no strong pre-draft expectation, as they weren’t viewed as Top 10 picks. There was satisfaction in being proven wrong with them, but with Josh, acknowledging the misjudgment feels far more difficult.

 

A similar argument can be made for Lamar Jackson—though the narratives around the two are quite different. Lamar Jackson, unlike Allen, entered the 2018 NFL Draft as a dynamic playmaker who won the Heisman Trophy in 2016, Jackson’s style of play captivated college football fans and earned him national acclaim. With Allen, the frustration for his critics comes from the difficulty of admitting they were wrong about his ceiling, while with Jackson, the pride comes from seeing a player defy the doubts about his unconventional approach. Both narratives are filled with a sense of "proving people wrong," but in Jackson’s case, it was more about silencing the critiques of his playing style and refining his game, while Allen had to overcome more fundamental doubts about his potential to succeed at all.

 

To win an MVP, Allen will likely need to separate himself by such a significant margin that even the most persistent critics can no longer deny his greatness. The path to MVP for him is not just about playing well; it’s about playing dominantly—so well that even the questions about his development and past doubts become irrelevant. Unless Allen has a season where his performance is undeniably head and shoulders above everyone else, the narrative will remain focused on past criticisms.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by JGMcD2

[Yobogoya!]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

read something like it's been two decades since the MVP wasn't also first team AllPro

If the Ravens drop this weekend’s game to the Steelers, I think Lamar’s MVP chances go up in smoke. 
 

It’s supposed to be a regular season award, but how can they give the guy more MVP’s than he has playoff wins? I mean come on… 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Yobogoya! said:

If the Ravens drop this weekend’s game to the Steelers, I think Lamar’s MVP chances go up in smoke. 
 

It’s supposed to be a regular season award, but how can they give the guy more MVP’s than he has playoff wins? I mean come on… 

votes go in before playoffs iirc

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

The argument in favor of Josh Allen continues to rely heavily on the narrative surrounding him, but what many Bills fans seem to overlook is the narrative from the national media — that Josh Allen was never supposed to be this good. 

 

While some have shifted their stance, there remains a palpable frustration among many who feel they were wrong about Allen. This is in stark contrast to how people felt about Tom Brady and Brock Purdy. With those two, there was no strong pre-draft expectation, as they weren’t viewed as Top 10 picks. There was satisfaction in being proven wrong with them, but with Josh, acknowledging the misjudgment feels far more difficult.

 

A similar argument can be made for Lamar Jackson—though the narratives around the two are quite different. Lamar Jackson, unlike Allen, entered the 2018 NFL Draft as a dynamic playmaker who won the Heisman Trophy in 2016, Jackson’s style of play captivated college football fans and earned him national acclaim. With Allen, the frustration for his critics comes from the difficulty of admitting they were wrong about his ceiling, while with Jackson, the pride comes from seeing a player defy the doubts about his unconventional approach. Both narratives are filled with a sense of "proving people wrong," but in Jackson’s case, it was more about silencing the critiques of his playing style and refining his game, while Allen had to overcome more fundamental doubts about his potential to succeed at all.

 

 

i always hear how Lamar is 'disrespected' or 'underappreciated'

 

can you please tell me how on earth a Heisman winning 3x First Team AllPro and potential 3x NFL Most Valuable Player can possibly be considered underappreciated

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Blank Stare said:

Not sure, but, according to the Athletic, every QB who has been First Team all pro since 2013 has been the MVP. 
 

I’ve never been more confident going into a game now than I am this weekend. 

Elway was the only one I believe.

[Yobogoya!]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

votes go in before playoffs iirc

i always hear how Lamar is 'disrespected' or 'underappreciated'

 

can you please tell me how on earth a Heisman winning 3x First Team AllPro and potential 3x NFL Most Valuable Player can possibly be considered underappreciated

Because they called him a running back pre draft, so he’s still seen as an “underdog” or something.
 

Which is interesting, because the proven way to beat him has historically been to take away the running game and make him throw the ball 30+ times, so… 

[Brand J]

9 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Teams with more All Pros than the Bills:

- Cincy (2)

- Pittsburgh (3)

- Denver (5)

- Indy (2)

-Jacksonville (2)

- KC (4)

- Baltimore (6)

- New England (2)

- Dallas (3)

- Detroit (6)

- Minnesota (3)

- Philly (6)

- San Fran (3)

- Washington (4)

 

And the Bills are arguably a top 3 team in the league in terms of results. Combined with the lack of Pro Bowl accolades, either:

- The roster is very underrated and some guys are getting snubbed.

- Allen should be the run away MVP winner with such a weak supporting cast.

- Sean McDermott should be coach of the year for dragging these bums to the #2 seed, beating both #1 seeds in the process.

I don’t think any player on our team is getting snubbed, but we’ve got a bunch of good to great guys, no superstars. People saying the Bills would only win 4 games without Allen is an argument that depends on his replacement. With Aiden O’Connell? Yeah, 4-6 wins are likely. But the team isn’t devoid of talent. They have one A+ player with the majority of other starters (and even some backups - Davis, Knox) ranging from A- to B. Just a solid, unspectacular roster that needs spectacular play from their A+ player to win the SB.

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i don't necessarily see the difference in closeness between this year and last tbh...and last year Lamar won it 49-1 lol

Lamar stats are crazy and he beat Josh head to head. He has played really well. But Josh is the “most valuable” and anyone who has watched a bills game this year knows that. And the media are a bunch of Lamar apologists no matter what. I would laugh if lamar won mvp and lost in the wild card bc he didn’t have his WR1.

[ColoradoBills]

40 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

It would be cool to get those accolades but I think this team has one and only one goal in mind.

 

Btw, is there any sort of financial reward for being named All Pro or MVP or __OTY? A per contract thing?

 

Contracts.  Spencer Brown has $1M for All-Pro.

[machine gun kelly]

God, I can’t wait now that their star WR for the Ravens is out, the Ravens by 3 and then Josh smokes the Ravens 31-17 and makes these idiots look like fools.  I hold ver regardless for the top 100 or even the Pro Bowl as they are popularity contests, but the voters for 1st and 2nd team all pro hound know what they are doing with their votes.

 

The best part is when Josh wins it all, and they can choke in their votes.