AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[mannc]

None of this matters if the Bills beat the Ravens next week.  Do you think Mahomes cares that he didn’t win MVP last year (or this year)?  At this point, there’s only one trophy that matters…

[C.Biscuit97]

37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Okay for the first time I think Josh might not win MVP.

I would double down on my Allen MVP bet if the odds drop to + money. 
 

Lamar is not getting his 3rd MVP before a SB.  Has that ever happened?

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

Lamar Jackson is very popular in the media. Many of the voters are inclined to will Jackson into being the greatest QB in NFL history, whether it is true or not.

 

Here is the list of voters for last year. I couldn't find this year's voters in the few minutes that I searched:

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

I'm not a fan of many of these voters. Some of them are ex-players who got their jobs because of their names, not because of football analysis. Some of them are good. Many of them were huge Josh Allen critics until it became popular to view Josh as elite.

 

I think Jackson is going to win it. At least he had an incredible year this year. He didn't deserve it last year.

 

Per Florio last year:

 

“This was a no-brainer. Lamar won it the night he went to San Francisco and beat the Lions and called me Mike Florist/Flores (which I deserved). Lamar cemented it by throwing five touchdown passes the following weekend against the Dolphins, clinching the No. 1 seed in the AFC.”

 

 

Lamar had 2 great games.  That put him over the top.  Not his stats tho! - they didn’t want to use his stats because Allen’s were better except for INTs bc Allen will take shots and refuse to take sacks especially in situations where we can arm punt.  
 

Unlike the career stat padders that refuse to hurt their QB rating by taking risks and maybe throw a pick.  
 

This year it’s stats!  Not losing to Vegas at home.  
 

 

 

 

These are the people that vote.  It’s embarrassing.  

[JerseyBills]

Dawkins got jerked

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

None of this matters if the Bills beat the Ravens next week.  Do you think Mahomes cares that he didn’t win MVP last year (or this year)?  At this point, there’s only one trophy that matters…

Been saying it all along. I think it’s weird caring so much about another man’s award (I also think booing grown men is weird too). 
 

I’m sure Allen wants to win but a SB would mean so much more. Freaking Boomer Edison and Shaun Alexander won MVPs. Why do people care so much (makes great debate though)?

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Per Florio last year:

 

“This was a no-brainer. Lamar won it the night he went to San Francisco and beat the Lions and called me Mike Florist/Flores (which I deserved). Lamar cemented it by throwing five touchdown passes the following weekend against the Dolphins, clinching the No. 1 seed in the AFC.”

 

 

Lamar had 2 great games.  That put him over the top.  Not his stats tho! - they didn’t want to use his stats because Allen’s were better except for INTs bc Allen will take shots and refuse to take sacks especially in situations where we can arm punt.  
 

Unlike the career stat padders that refuse to hurt their QB rating by taking risks and maybe throw a pick.  
 

This year it’s stats!  Not losing to Vegas at home.  
 

 

 

 

These are the people that vote.  It’s embarrassing.  

You can sugarcoat it however you want.  Lamar is still deserving of the award as is Josh.  

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Dawkins got jerked

Love Dion but I don’t need that visual 

Just now, GolfandBills said:

You can sugarcoat it however you want.  Lamar is still deserving of the award as is Josh.  

You don’t get it.  If a guy wins the MVP with the second highest QB rating in a season ever (not bad for a rb), it’s a huge conspiracy!

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Love Dion but I don’t need that visual 

You don’t get it.  If a guy wins the MVP with the second highest QB rating in a season ever (not bad for a rb), it’s a huge conspiracy!

 

The stats people are the equivalent of low info voters.  
 

The people that know ball and watch the games understand context (we were supposed to suck) are the high info voters.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

It would be cool to get those accolades but I think this team has one and only one goal in mind.

 

Btw, is there any sort of financial reward for being named All Pro or MVP or __OTY? A per contract thing?

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would double down on my Allen MVP bet if the odds drop to + money. 
 

Lamar is not getting his 3rd MVP before a SB.  Has that ever happened?

dont do it lol

 

if the odds drop that far he is 100% not winning it

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

dont do it lol

 

if the odds drop that far he is 100% not winning it

But that’s Vegas trying to make money too. I won’t even be shocked if they steer media conversations to influence bettors.

 

i am like 99% confident Allen wins. 

[YoloinOhio]

Our local station was previewing the nfl games and said Sean McDermott is the Ryan day of the NFL bc he usually has a massive talent advantage and wins a lot of games but can’t win in crunch time despite his talent advantage. I started thinking - when has he had a massive talent advantage? Outside of Allen, but what a dumb comparison. No 1st team all pros and one 2nd team. 

Edited 5 hours ago by YoloinOhio

[Big Turk]

The love for Lamar versus the hatred for Josh is truly mind boggling...

 

Literally will make up whatever story they need to make sure Lamar wins MVP over Josh.  If the story doesn't fit the next year then just reverse it so that he wins again and Josh loses.  Honestly these voters can go f***ing kick rocks at this point.  I assume Allen will never win one because of their bias and dislike for him that borders on some sort of psychosis.

Edited 5 hours ago by Big Turk

[T.E.]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

The love for Lamar versus the hatred for Josh is truly mind boggling...

 

Literally will make up whatever story they need to make sure Lamar wins it over Josh.  If the story doesn't fit the next year then just reverse it so that he wins again and Josh loses.  Honestly these voters can go f***ing kick rocks at this point.  I assume Allen will never win one because of their bias and dislike for him that borders on some sort of psychosis.

Stats didn't matter last year and that's why Lamar deserved it in 2023, but stats are the only thing that is important this year and that's why Lamar also deserves it for 2024.

 

Three MVPs with his overall resumé is beyond laughable.

Edited 5 hours ago by T.E.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

But that’s Vegas trying to make money too. I won’t even be shocked if they steer media conversations to influence bettors.

 

i am like 99% confident Allen wins. 

read something like it's been two decades since the MVP wasn't also first team AllPro

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

read something like it's been two decades since the MVP wasn't also first team AllPro

Yeah usually it’s pretty clear who the MVP is. It’s so close this year and stats don’t tell the whole story. Certainly I could see either being deserving but only one can get it. I do think some people are smart enough to know that if Josh had played as much as Lamar his stats would be even better and the only reason he didn’t is because he was so good he put his team in a position where he could sit out the end of a few games. Also he had mvp moments vs the best teams. He meets the eye test plus I think will benefit from Lamar winning last year and the fact he lost his #1 WR and had a pretty low ranked defense. It’s a good debate but I could see him winning mvp despite not being 1st team all pro. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Yeah usually it’s pretty clear who the MVP is. It’s so close this year and stats don’t tell the whole story. Certainly I could see either being deserving but only one can get it. I do think some people are smart enough to know that if Josh had played as much as Lamar his stats would be even better and the only reason he didn’t is because he was so good he put his team in a position where he could sit out the end of a few games. Also he had mvp moments vs the best teams. He meets the eye test plus I think will benefit from Lamar winning last year and the fact he lost his #1 WR and had a pretty low ranked defense. It’s a good debate but I could see him winning mvp despite not being 1st team all pro. 

i don't necessarily see the difference in closeness between this year and last tbh...and last year Lamar won it 49-1 lol

[Yobogoya!]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Our local station was previewing the nfl games and said Sean McDermott is the Ryan day of the NFL bc he usually has a massive talent advantage and wins a lot of games but can’t win in crunch time despite his talent advantage. I started thinking - when has he had a massive talent advantage? Outside of Allen, but what a dumb comparison. No 1st team all pros and one 2nd team. 

McDermott’s scheme is capable of getting efficient to highly efficient play out of JAG players, but it seems damn near impossible for him to get an already good player up to a dominant level of production — other than Josh Allen, who is a cheat code. 
 

It’s the biggest concern at this point that in 8 drafts + offseasons the McBeane regime hasn’t produced a single other dominant player. Lots of solid players, a few borderline great ones… but nearly a decade of scouting for Beane and in nearly a decade of coaching from McD, we’re embarking on yet another postseason run without top tier, “All Pro” production from anyone except the QB. 

[DapperCam]

Teams with more All Pros than the Bills:

- Cincy (2)

- Pittsburgh (3)

- Denver (5)

- Indy (2)

-Jacksonville (2)

- KC (4)

- Baltimore (6)

- New England (2)

- Dallas (3)

- Detroit (6)

- Minnesota (3)

- Philly (6)

- San Fran (3)

- Washington (4)

 

And the Bills are arguably a top 3 team in the league in terms of results. Combined with the lack of Pro Bowl accolades, either:

- The roster is very underrated and some guys are getting snubbed.

- Allen should be the run away MVP winner with such a weak supporting cast.

- Sean McDermott should be coach of the year for dragging these bums to the #2 seed, beating both #1 seeds in the process.

[MJS]

27 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Been saying it all along. I think it’s weird caring so much about another man’s award (I also think booing grown men is weird too). 
 

I’m sure Allen wants to win but a SB would mean so much more. Freaking Boomer Edison and Shaun Alexander won MVPs. Why do people care so much (makes great debate though)?

Winning the MVP is a big deal. Winning a Super Bowl is obviously better, but it is fine to care about other awards and achievements besides just the Super Bowl. It is cool when a member of your favorite team gets major awards.

 

And your point about caring about another man's award could be used for the Super Bowl as well. What is the point about caring about a Super Bowl win? You aren't a member of the team. It isn't your trophy.