AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[T master]

On 1/10/2025 at 11:27 AM, RyanC883 said:

haha.  Lamar.  Okay.  Can't wait to see the Steelers destroy them this weekend.  

 

So much for that ...

[jcamm1966]

Josh got some Tacking fuel now!!!!!!!

[BillsVet]

On 1/10/2025 at 2:26 PM, Brand J said:

I don’t think any player on our team is getting snubbed, but we’ve got a bunch of good to great guys, no superstars. People saying the Bills would only win 4 games without Allen is an argument that depends on his replacement. With Aiden O’Connell? Yeah, 4-6 wins are likely. But the team isn’t devoid of talent. They have one A+ player with the majority of other starters (and even some backups - Davis, Knox) ranging from A- to B. Just a solid, unspectacular roster that needs spectacular play from their A+ player to win the SB.

 

Buffalo has talent, yes.  What I find ironic is that at QB they swung for the fences and hit one out of the park.  But in the years before or since at the other premium positions - DE, WR, OT, CB - they've had some success but haven't found that dominant player.  Come playoff time that hurts them when they need a player to make a play.  

 

On 1/10/2025 at 3:56 PM, Yobogoya! said:

Oliver was pick 9, but I appreciate your point overall. 
 

But Chris Jones was a 2nd round pick. TJ watt was pick 30. Amon Ra was 4th round. Trey Hendrickson was round 3. 
 

It should go without saying it’s not “easy” to find these types of guys, but given the sheer amount of time the current regime has had to do so, you’d almost expect them to luck into at least ONE other guy besides Allen. Worse front offices than ours certainly have. 

 

Yes.  Part of the reason they aren't in the running for offensive All-Pros is that of their next 9 RD1/RD2 picks, 6 of them were defense, 1 was dealt for Diggs, one for Cody Ford, and then Cook's selection 4 years later.  

 

That's not a commitment to offense and using 2 higher picks in back to back years on Kincaid and Coleman doesn't make up for that.  

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

36 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Buffalo has talent, yes.  What I find ironic is that at QB they swung for the fences and hit one out of the park.  But in the years before or since at the other premium positions - DE, WR, OT, CB - they've had some success but haven't found that dominant player.  Come playoff time that hurts them when they need a player to make a play.  

 

 

Yes.  Part of the reason they aren't in the running for offensive All-Pros is that of their next 9 RD1/RD2 picks, 6 of them were defense, 1 was dealt for Diggs, one for Cody Ford, and then Cook's selection 4 years later.  

 

That's not a commitment to offense and using 2 higher picks in back to back years on Kincaid and Coleman doesn't make up for that.  

 

I remain unconvinced Brandon beane is capable of drafting top end offensive talent 

[Nelius]

28 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I remain unconvinced Brandon beane is capable of drafting top end offensive talent 

James Cook ever gonna get any credit? Do we need a 20 TD season? He’s legitimately one of the best backs in the AFC and could lock down top 3 status with a great postseason.
 

This isn’t nothing or the dime a dozen back taking point nonsense. It’s okay to call James Cook very good and talented.

Edited Sunday at 04:17 PM by Nelius

[DCOrange]

26 minutes ago, Nelius said:

James Cook ever gonna get any credit? Do we need a 20 TD season? He’s legitimately one of the best backs in the AFC and could lock down top 3 status with a great postseason.
 

This isn’t nothing or the dime a dozen back taking point nonsense. It’s okay to call James Cook very good and talented.

Yeah he of course is no Derrick Henry as far as we're comparing Josh and Lamar's supporting casts but he was definitely one of the best RBs in the league this season. The receiving traits and explosiveness he showed in college were on full display this season and he's become much better at absorbing contact and staying on his feet than I ever imagined he would. Really lucky to have him as a weapon.

[HappyDays]

55 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I remain unconvinced Brandon beane is capable of drafting top end offensive talent 

 

I don't know, he hasn't made a lot of attempts is the problem. Like Gabe Davis, Spencer Brown, and Khalil Shakir were all good to great picks at the spots we took them. Cook is a RB so it's hard to quantify draft value but he's become a great player too. If you're looking for busts on that side of the ball it's really just Cody Ford... Kincaid has been underwhelming but fine and Coleman is TBD.

[Billzgobowlin]

I would say this is probably the most deserving year for Lamar.  I think he was overrated the first two times he won MVP but this is his best year.  I still don't think he deserves it this year.

[PBF81]

18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They were missing two things:

 

1. Talent. The second level of the defense in that game was a combination of Williams (3rd rounder), Spector (7th rounder), Lewis (UDFA), Morrow (UDFA) and Ingram (UDFA). And Todd Monken's entire game plan was to expose that level. I have said this before but in the first half they ran exactly one offensive play designed to attack a unit other than the linebackers, nickel and dime. 

 

2. Patience. Bobby Babich's adjustment after one play (admittedly a very long TD run by Henry) was to go to 3 linebackers in base. And the next two drives Monken just put Justice Hill on Morrow and they swing pass and screened us to death. By the time they abandoned that it was 21-0. The long Henry run on the first play wasn't about being too light or anything else. It was just about being out executed. The Ravens all hit their landmarks, we didn't an one of the best players of his generation took advantage. He should have stayed in his defense and trusted his guys to execute better. Brining Morrow in and going to base was a disastrous mistake and I called it out in the GDT as soon as he did it. 

 

I would hope a combination of better talent - having Milano, Bernard and Johnson available - and a better, more patient coordinating performance would lead to a different result if we get a do over. But impatience has been a concern of mine on Babich all year. Far from the "he doesn't adjust" narrative my concern is he adjusts way too quickly and often in an ill thought through manner.

 

It appears that your theory here will be put to the test on Sunday.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

16 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I remain unconvinced Brandon beane is capable of drafting top end offensive talent 

He drafted Josh Allen.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

It appears that your theory here will be put to the test on Sunday.

 

 

They will have an opportunity for a re-do. They have their guys available, hopefully they coach is better too. Gonna be one hell of a challenge. If Flowers doesn't make it for Baltimore that would help some as well.

 

EDIT: oh and I should also say the offense playing better is a mandatory part of the puzzle. If you let Baltimore get up early and stay on schedule you have a problem. Your offense has to speed them up and create a sesne or urgency. That is when they tend to get away from the run.

Edited Monday at 08:29 AM by GunnerBill

[Doc Brown]

On 1/11/2025 at 6:09 PM, PBF81 said:

 

Alright, so having said all of that, what, specifically, do you think that the people voting for it look at when they make their decision?  

 

i.e., why doesn't Josh get it then?  

 

 

The numbers by Lamar were just too overwhelming.  If Pittsburgh didn't collapse down the stretch and win the division it pry goes to Josh.  If I was a voter I would've made Lamar first team QB, Burrow 2nd team, and gave the MVP to Josh.  I view all pro has more of the player with the best stats.  I know historically the AP voters don't vote that way and that's why you should bet Lamar as the MVP if you're in a state that accepts individual award bets.

[Kelly to Allen]

16 hours ago, Nelius said:

James Cook ever gonna get any credit? Do we need a 20 TD season? He’s legitimately one of the best backs in the AFC and could lock down top 3 status with a great postseason.
 

This isn’t nothing or the dime a dozen back taking point nonsense. It’s okay to call James Cook very good and talented.

 

He's the best RB we've had since McCoy and Fred. He is legit 

[Matt_In_NH]

So they settle it on the field. 

[Real McClappy]

Surprised not a single O lineman is on the 1st or 2nd team. 

[Doc Brown]

31 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So they settle it on the field. 

Exactly.  I wish they could do it that way since all the AP voters pry think Love Actually is a better Christmas movie than Die Hard.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He drafted Josh Allen.

And that's it.

 

 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

And that's it.

 

 

 

James Cook, Spencer Brown, Dalton Kincaid, Kahlil Shakir and O'Cyrus Torrence are all laughing at you too 

[dave mcbride]

https://ftnfantasy.com/nfl/aaron-schatz-my-2024-all-pro-ballot
 

Aaron Schatz’s (founder of football outsiders and DVOA) pro bowl ballot. He has Benford as first team all pro and Dawkins as second team all pro. He also links to Mitchell Schwartz’s argument that Dawkins was the best offensive lineman in the league this year. He has Jos as second team all pro.

[Doc Brown]

26 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

And that's it.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

James Cook, Spencer Brown, Dalton Kincaid, Kahlil Shakir and O'Cyrus Torrence are all laughing at you too 

Dawson Knox for a third round TE too.  I know Josh Allen is elite but the Bills offense doesn't put up the numbers this year if Beane hasn't at least been above average in acquiring offensive talent in the draft.

Edited Monday at 11:16 PM by Doc Brown