AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

So PFF says Bills are 19th, that's about 7-10 record, actually went 13-4, thats +6, Ravens are third( close to 1st) that's like 14-3/15-2 and ended up 12-5. Thats -3. Hmmmm

Edited 4 hours ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

PFF had the Niners, colts, Steelers and Falcons as better teams than the Bills. And with niners, steelers, and falcons being WAY better. 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

So PFF says Bills are 19th, that's about 7-10 record, actually went 13-4, thats +6, Ravens are third( close to 1st) that's like 14-3/15-2 and ended up 12-5. Thats-3 Hmmmm

That's why Allen is the MVP

[chongli]

WTF? Denver has three first-team selections and two second team.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

That's why Allen is the MVP

And it's not even close!

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

PFF had the Niners, colts, Steelers and Falcons as better teams than the Bills. And with niners, steelers, and falcons being WAY better. 

Falcons are 4th? what a joke

[Mikie2times]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

And it's not even close!

We can argue all day about who had the better year, but if you take away Josh we likely have a bottom 20 offense and finish with 7 wins or less. Ravens are still a wild card team. Nobody has equaled more wins by himself than Allen this year. The AP vote just reinforces that. 

[ColoradoBills]

23 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

We have some bad investments on the cap right now: Diggs, Von Miller, Tre White, Matt Milano, Poyer, Hyde, Floyd, Knox. Most of these are players that were an A-level talent at some point.

 

It gets a lot better next year, especially if we release Miller and Knox. Hopefully we can acquire some more relevant A-level talent with the savings. We really are operating at a shoestring budget this year, and decided to take our cap medicine (unlike a team like the Saints).

 

I agree with all of your post except this:

Beane is overpaying Knox (Cap wise) a lot next year, but he will be on the team.

They are not taking that huge of a hit to get rid of him.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, chongli said:

WTF? Denver has three first-team selections and two second team.

Scrappy little engine that could! (lose 7 games)

Edited 4 hours ago by YoloinOhio

[Big Blitz]

Here is what I’m convinced of.  
 

Not only is it bc they were so wrong about Josh - it’s that for 7 years we’ve seen him be flat out the best player in the NFL. 

 

A complete freak show QB doing things they never thought possible.  They know it.   
 

 

Lamar has to be propped up because his early career numbers especially passing were just mid and he’s been a playoff loser and choker - he absolutely can change that this year bc his team is so good and he’s very much improved.  
 

The charity case has been Lamar.  It’s ridiculous.  

[klos63]

I know to many here, mvp is such a huge issue,  but maybe these all pro selections along with the Bills performance this season will put the focus back on team results vs individual awards.  

The Bills are great team despite the lack of superstars at positions other than QB.

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Here is what I’m convinced of.  
 

Not only is it bc they were so wrong about Josh - it’s that for 7 years we’ve seen him be flat out the best player in the NFL. 

 

A complete freak show QB doing things they never thought possible.  They know it.   
 

 

Lamar has to be propped up because his early career numbers especially passing were just mid and he’s been a playoff loser and choker - he absolutely can change that this year bc his team is so good and he’s very much improved.  
 

The charity case has been Lamar.  It’s ridiculous.  

 

It's a moot point. This is going to hurt Allen's legacy in a major way years from now unless Allen can win 2 Superbowls.... Even one super bowl is not going to be enough to overcome 3 MVPs 

 

Again it's journalistic erasure 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[ChrisWatson#21]

This is great.  Allen MVP odds will get a nice boost because of this.

7 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It's a moot point. This is going to hurt Allen's legacy in a major way years from now unless Allen can win 2 Superbowls.... Even one super bowl is not going to be enough to overcome 3 MVPs 

 

Again it's journalistic erasure 

Relax.  Lamar isn't getting MVP.  

Edited 3 hours ago by ChrisWatson#21

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

haha.  Lamar.  Okay.  Can't wait to see the Steelers destroy them this weekend.  

wut? 

8 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It's a moot point. This is going to hurt Allen's legacy in a major way years from now unless Allen can win 2 Superbowls.... Even one super bowl is not going to be enough to overcome 3 MVPs 

 

Again it's journalistic erasure 

what’s journalistic erasure?

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

wut? 

what’s journalistic erasure?

 

That they told you he’d be a bust.  
 

He's now the best player in the league.  
 

They won’t acknowledge it.  

And they aren’t journalists.  
 

They’re hacks with an agenda.  

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

That they told you he’d be a bust.  
 

He's now the best player in the league.  
 

They won’t acknowledge it.  

And they aren’t journalists.  
 

They’re hacks with an agenda.  

Who are they and what did they erase? 

[thewookie1]

There’s three reasons Josh isn’t getting MVP votes more than likely.

 

1. Much of the media hate the Bills and Buffalo as a whole. Add to that many dislike Allen for actually making many of them look dumb and you have an easy anti-Allen group of voters. We have a handful of Buffalo backing or at least respecting reporters and many who wish we’d move. Meanwhile Allen winning any award would create a concrete example of their complete misjudgment of Allen at the draft.

 

2. Moving goalposts - although Allen has fulfilled everything Jackson did last year and then some while having a great record too. Now they wish to go purely statistics based and ignore the record and the like. Allen having a great statistical year and solid record against a hard schedule last year was ignored but will be fully used to promote Lamar’s year.

 

3. Lastly, as much as I hate to say it, racism does play a part as well. There is a block of voters in the group that are going to vote based on skin color alone. We know that based on the many talking head shows. The number of African American pundits that have actively campaigned for Lamar and/or degraded Allen over the past month or so is very apparent. When you hear them referring to Lamar and Barkley as a “brother” or other similar slang you can see a particular bias exposed. RGIII while not a voter likely isn’t the lone pundit that seems personally invested in Lamar beating Allen even if it means being hypocritical to last season’s vote. Hell, some of those talking heads complained he didn’t get a sweep of 1st place votes last year. Rarely do their arguments involve anything but claiming Lamar’s greatness and demean Allen’s performance while attacking other analysts liking Allen. Or you see those like Acho who have downplayed it to Allen will win purely due to voter fatigue. Frankly I only started to notice this point after Allen started getting seen as the favorite for MVP; suddenly a dozen or so African American analysts suddenly became defensive against Allen winning the MVP after seemingly being fine with it until after the Chiefs game. At first is was mainly Barkley talk but once Lamar had a couple good games it shifted more to him. 

[billsfan89]

I thought Dawkins had a chance at an All-Pro second team but there's only two slots so the margin to make an All-Pro is so narrow. Guys not getting All-Pro and Pro-Bowl nods don't really bother me. The Bills are a team whose whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Josh is the elite component and then there's just so many players who while they may not be "All-Pro" caliber players (as in top 2 at their position effectively) are quality top 5-8 players at their positions or at the very least better than average starters. I think the Bills have also done a quality job of finding players to fill roles that may seem small but can have a big impact like finding Ty Johnson as an elite pass catching third down back whose maybe not an elite running back but a back that can have a huge impact on some games depending on the matchup and gameplan. 

[Ralonzo]

3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I would absolutely froth my loins if this happened.

I hate the Ravens (Ray Lewis murdered & got a statue- Fitting for that city)

I hate the city of Baltimore; all the dirt of a blue collar city, none of the charm.

19% of reported visitors find rusty hypodermic needles in their food (I made this up, but its probably close)  

I hate their fans.

I imagine their stadium smells like Stavros' computer chair

I dont actually hate Lamar, but everything else I listed makes me forget I don't.

 

In summary.

[Kelly to Allen]

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

wut? 

what’s journalistic erasure?

Purposefully using revisionist history in any context to erase the truth in the past. It's applicable outside sports too

45 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

That they told you he’d be a bust.  
 

He's now the best player in the league.  
 

They won’t acknowledge it.  

And they aren’t journalists.  
 

They’re hacks with an agenda.  

It's just sad man. Ppl really don't understand how much of Allen's historical legacy took a hit today. 

 

 

 

 

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Well, I hope they play, (def), with a chip on their shoulder after all these snubs.