AP All-Pro Teams Announced. Josh 2nd Team Only Bill.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

16 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I think Allen is the better player and more valuable to his team, but it is very hard to ignore Lamar's numbers this season. I really can't blame the voters for going in Lamar's direction this season. 

 

I honestly believe that Allen is an all-time great.  Top 5-10 at his position.  It's wild to think he may never win an MVP or first team all-pro.  

As we learned last year, numbers don't matter in the MVP race.

 

Because Lamar was straight trash last year and won it 

[NyQuil]

5 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

This is good.  I hope the ravens are favored next week too. 

I hope he goes playoff Lamar and they lose tomorrow.

[TheBrownBear]

24 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Is Dawkins the #1 or #2 tackle in the NFL? Is Brown? 

I meant it more tongue in cheek and as a demonstration of the type of circular reasoning you occasionally see people engage in. 

21 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

We have a really good O Line, not intending to diss them at all, but when you have Houdini back there it covers up a lot of warts and makes the stats look good.  Put Tua or Goff back there and see what the sack numbers look like.

Exactly.  Josh avoids multiple sacks every week on pressures that would fell every QB not named Allen, Mahomes or Jackson.  Nice o-line, but it ain't Joe Gibbs' Hogs.

[UKBillFan]

This may be blasphemous but, right now, if the worst happens and it's a Ravens-Chiefs Championship game I'm cheering for the Chiefs. I'll take the three-peat over the Ravens winning one. I think I'd take any team winning the Super Bowl over the Ravens.

[Goin Breakdown]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

This may be blasphemous but, right now, if the worst happens and it's a Ravens-Chiefs Championship game I'm cheering for the Chiefs. I'll take the three-peat over the Ravens winning one. I think I'd take any team winning the Super Bowl over the Ravens.

Oh dang. Thats a tough spot. I'd have to think about this one lol

[TAinLack.]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, I don’t think Lamar will win. MVP is also about narrative. There’s no way I see Lamar winning 3 before he wins a SB. Plus, and I hate it because it dismisses the rest of the team, most of the national media thinks the rest of the Bills are bums. 

Ravens have 2 first team pro bowlers on offense, 2 first team pro bowlers on defense and 2 more pro bowlers on the second team.  Sorry but Josh is doing way more with less and that is no disrespect to our Bills team.  Additionally Lamar won 12 of 17 games and Josh won 13 of 16 games...Boom!

[DapperCam]

8 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

This may be blasphemous but, right now, if the worst happens and it's a Ravens-Chiefs Championship game I'm cheering for the Chiefs. I'll take the three-peat over the Ravens winning one. I think I'd take any team winning the Super Bowl over the Ravens.

Get a grip, you’ve lost touch with reality here.

[ColoradoBills]

When are you all going to just realize Buffalo is never going to be the darlings of the national media.

It's not going to happen.

 

It's what makes this fan base and players on this current regime so special.

It truly is us against the world.

Enjoy that and don't worry about the rest.

[UKBillFan]

7 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Get a grip, you’ve lost touch with reality here.

 

It's probably because I haven't see Kelce-Swift's face on screen recently. If and when he pops up again...

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

I think Brown is a fringe all pro, but not at all surprised he didn't get it. Taron is a top 3 Nickle, Cook is not an All Pro back, should have been a Pro Bowl back and maybe the same applies to Benford. Those DB's stats mean little to me without context of coverage being played. All in all I think this team has very limited high end talent which is what the All Pro team specifically is. 

Okay, but the knock was on drafting? You have 4 guys there that we seem pretty close to agreeing are right on the cusp of that tier.

 

Find me 5 (adding Josh) other teams that have drafted 5 All-Pro caliber talents, over the past 7 seasons. Hell, make it 3 guys per team. 
 

Edited 2 hours ago by JGMcD2

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

exactly.  Lamar has the best RB, great D, a #1 WR, and two top TEs.  Meanwhile, we have a lot of very good, but not elite talent around JA (although, I'd say most of that talent is underrated).  

 

First it was Lamar couldn't throw the ball. 

Then it was all he did was throw to TEs.

Now all his stats are because he has too much talent around him.

I wish people would stick to just one false narrative....

 

What's the point of having all that talent when he is a one read half the field QB anyways?

 

Allen is the best player in the NFL. Lamar has had a great season but Allen has won more and played nearly flawlessly in 16 of 17 games. Allen is the MVP but I don't care who wins the award. Allen is a first ballot HOF QB if he wins even one Lombardi. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Ethan in Cleveland

[Kelly to Allen]

30 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

This may be blasphemous but, right now, if the worst happens and it's a Ravens-Chiefs Championship game I'm cheering for the Chiefs. I'll take the three-peat over the Ravens winning one. I think I'd take any team winning the Super Bowl over the Ravens.

KC has earned the praise and accolades. I don't hate KC at all and respect their greatness. It was earned.

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

Bulletin board material. Let them doubt. Hopefully it puts a chip on their shoulders 

How much more do they need though ?

[section122]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

This is a sean mcdermott stat.  The Bills as a team vastly outperform how they should.  That points directly at coaching.

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

This stat is wrong there are 5 teams most recently the 2019 Packers.  Unfortunately none of the 5 have reached the super bowl.  Time to break that streak!

[Mikie2times]

26 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Okay, but the knock was on drafting? You have 4 guys there that we seem pretty close to agreeing are right on the cusp of that tier.

 

Find me 5 (adding Josh) other teams that have drafted 5 All-Pro caliber talents, over the past 7 seasons. Hell, make it 3 guys per team. 
 

Teams don't build rosters the same way. We make a very intentional effort to sign our B+ drafted talent, which in turn prevents us from other methods of acquisition. If you're asking me to show you  5+ teams that have acquired half a dozen B+ level players the last 7 years sure = SF, DAL, PHIL, KAN, BAL, DET. All have better rosters than us and the list is likely longer, I just don't want to get too deep in the weeds. Our roster is not bad, its is probably somewhere around the 7-10 range, but it is largely void any A talent outside Josh and that really hurts deeper in the year.  

 

The list below is all pro bowl votes excluding skilled positions. So it's a big roster. Way larger than even the normal pro bowl voting, over 100 players per year. 2021-2023

 

  

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

This is a sean mcdermott stat.  The Bills as a team vastly outperform how they should.  That points directly at coaching.

This stat is wrong there are 5 teams most recently the 2019 Packers.  Unfortunately none of the 5 have reached the super bowl.  Time to break that streak!

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Steptide]

19 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

How much more do they need though ?

No idea, just get to the superbowl 😅

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

So I guess the hope is that AP voters decided to split the baby by giving All-Pro to Lamar but MVP to Josh. Kind of an admission through the voting process that they both deserved it but Josh slightly edged him out for the more prestigious award. That's the hope anyways.

 

The likely scenario.  

 

Barkely would then win offensive Player of the year.  

[DapperCam]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Teams don't build rosters the same way. We make a very intentional effort to sign our B+ drafted talent, which in turn prevents us from other methods of acquisition. If you're asking me to show you  5+ teams that have acquired half a dozen B+ level players the last 7 years sure = SF, DAL, PHIL, KAN, BAL, DET. All have better rosters than us and the list is likely longer, I just don't want to get too deep in the weeds. Our roster is not bad, its is probably somewhere around the 7-10 range, but it is largely void any A talent outside Josh and that really hurts deeper in the year.  

 

The list below is all pro bowl votes excluding skilled positions. So it's a big roster. Way larger than even the normal pro bowl voting, over 100 players per year. 2021-2023

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

We have some bad investments on the cap right now: Diggs, Von Miller, Tre White, Matt Milano, Poyer, Hyde, Floyd, Knox. Most of these are players that were an A-level talent at some point.

 

It gets a lot better next year, especially if we release Miller and Knox. Hopefully we can acquire some more relevant A-level talent with the savings. We really are operating at a shoestring budget this year, and decided to take our cap medicine (unlike a team like the Saints).

[Big Blitz]

Yep.  All we heard last year was “he’s in first place.”   
 

Josh single handedly brought the Bills back from out of the playoffs 3 games back of Miami and finished the 2 seed.   
 

 

Josh Allen also has to outrun these moron’s narrative that he will NEVER be good.  The “experts” that they are.  
 

Admitting you were wrong is too difficult for these pompous losers.   
 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Blitz

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

We have some bad investments on the cap right now: Diggs, Von Miller, Tre White, Matt Milano, Poyer, Hyde, Floyd, Knox. Most of these are players that were an A-level talent at some point.

 

It gets a lot better next year, especially if we release Miller and Knox. Hopefully we can acquire some more relevant A-level talent with the savings. We really are operating at a shoestring budget this year, and decided to take our cap medicine (unlike a team like the Saints).

The very best player this iteration has acquired outside of Josh is Diggs. After that, maybe Taron or Hyde. These guys have been really good for us but that is the VERY best. In his last draft, Whaley targeted White, Dawkins, and Milano. I would argue his final draft was better than any 2 drafts combined, maybe even 3 that we have seen since. That's not to say I'm advocating for somebody like Whaley. But the current regime does not have a clear history of elite talent acquisition. They have got a lot of + steady eddies. But it's not surprising we are largely void of top 100 lists, Pro Bowl players, and All Pro's. We don't have them.   

Edited 1 hour ago by Mikie2times