NFC pummelled the AFC in h2h matchups this year

[CSBill]

12 hours ago, Beast said:

No, the Bills went 4-1 against the NFC.

 

They beat the Cardinals, Seahawks, Lions and 49ers.

Okay, 5-1, then 

[Sierra Foothills]

14 hours ago, Chaos said:

NFC won almost 60% of the head to head matchups this year.  

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/afc-vs-nfc-record-year-by-year-all-teams-grouped-by-conference-last-20-years

The common narrative that the AFC is better than the NFC may be a bit outdated.

 

Sample size is too small... year to year is a pendulum swing.

 

6 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Vikings continue to be slept on. 

 

Very few people (even in Minnesota) believe that Sam Darnold can lead them to the promised land.

 

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Bills are 4-1 versus the NFC…not bad

 

I love that the Bills are 2-0 versus Kansas City and Detroit this year and the rest of the league is 2-30.

 

[SinceThe70s]

14 hours ago, Chaos said:

NFC won almost 60% of the head to head matchups this year.  

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/afc-vs-nfc-record-year-by-year-all-teams-grouped-by-conference-last-20-years

The common narrative that the AFC is better than the NFC may be a bit outdated. 


 

 

12 hours ago, Chaos said:

The top 1 NFC team is all that matters for the AFC teams at this point.  But I think having a bunch of doormats in the AFC, means it is the overall weaker division at this time. The bills certainly benefitted from being in the biggest doormat division. 

 

So you start with equating the NFC winning 'almost 60%' with pummeling the AFC - a questionable premise to begin with imo - and then move on to all that matters to AFC teams at this point is the top 1 NFC team  - which going into the playoffs is a team the Bills defeated - and then you see fit to mention the Bills playing in the biggest doormat division.

 

How do you reconcile the Bills beating the top dog in the big bad NFC on the road with your dispute of the narrative that the AFC is better than the NFC and claim that the Bills play in the biggest doormat division? 

 

 

[Brand J]

5 hours ago, djp14150 said:

GB, MIN, DET playing mainly afc  south/east 14-1 

 

NFC 47-33

 

Rest 33-32

Bills, Ravens, and Chiefs against the NFC:
13-2

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

59 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Sample size is too small... year to year is a pendulum swing.

 

 

Very few people (even in Minnesota) believe that Sam Darnold can lead them to the promised land.

 

 

I love that the Bills are 2-0 versus Kansas City and Detroit this year and the rest of the league is 2-30.

 

 

*1-30. I don't think the Broncos win against the Chiefs backups should count.

 

AFC had more bottom feeders than the NFC this year. Only 6 teams in the NFL had 4 or fewer wins, and 5 of those teams were in the AFC. 

 

If we're looking at the best teams in each conference I'd take the Chiefs/Bills/Ravens over the Lions/Eagles/Vikings

[djp14150]

9 hours ago, Brand J said:

Bills, Ravens, and Chiefs against the NFC:
13-2

And the eagles did well too.

 

the point was …you have a strong division against a week division will swing records.

 

if I look at gb, min, det against afc and nfc west they went 9-0, 8-1, 8-1 respectively . Next year they play afc north, nfc east, and single game against nfc west.  That’s going to be a harder schedule where they May go 7-3 or 

[chongli]

On 1/10/2025 at 4:47 PM, machine gun kelly said:

Good call Chongli.  If you saw the 30 for 30 on the Bills, Polian clearly pointed out our record against NFC AND NFC playoff teams, and it was damning if the NFC back in the Kelly days.

 

As.far as now, the AFC was overblown this year, and th Eagles, Lions, and Vikings are no joke.  We have the Bills, Chiefs, and Ravens.  To me that’s an even comparison.

 

Appreciate that, and sorry for the delay is responding (I was at a powerlifting meet this weekend, and am still recovering, lol).

 

Somewhere on my computer, I have a list I compiled a few years ago of all the teams overall records and inter-conference records for the 90's decade. I believe the Bills had the second-best overall record to the 49ers by only a few games and the best inter-conference record, even though they lost twice in meaningless final-week games against the NFC where they had already clinched the top seed. I'll try to find it.

 

As for 30 for 30, The Four Falls of Buffalo is one I have not watched. I need to buy that on Amazon Prime (it is only $1.99). Thank you for mentioning that.

Edited January 14 by chongli

[JP51]

On 1/10/2025 at 8:21 AM, Chaos said:

NFC won almost 60% of the head to head matchups this year.  

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/afc-vs-nfc-record-year-by-year-all-teams-grouped-by-conference-last-20-years

The common narrative that the AFC is better than the NFC may be a bit outdated. 


 

So truth is I would not have expected this outcome... thank you for that... I am just wondering... seems like a lot of bad teams in the AFC I believe they have 6 of the bottom 7 in the league in draft order... seems like a lot of have and have nots... I wonder (and no I am not gonna look it up LOL...nor am I asking anyone to I am just wondering) what the W/L ratio is between conferences amongst games between playoff teams...  I wonder if that tells the tale... 

Edited January 14 by JP51

[Dukestreetking]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

As for 30 for 30, The Four Falls of Buffalo is one I have not watched. I need to buy that on Amazon Prime (it is only $1.99)

 

Great documentary. Interview scenes w Norwood are heartbreaking, to me at least. Have some tissues ready (for possible eye water, not, umm...other reasons).

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, chongli said:

 

Appreciate that, and sorry for the delay is responding (I was at a powerlifting meet this weekend, and am still recovering, lol).

 

Somewhere on my computer, I have a list I compiled a few yers ago of all the teams overall records and inter-conference records for the 90's decade. I believe the Bills had the second-best overall record to the 49ers by only a few games and the best inter-conference record, even though they lost twice in meaningless final-week games against the NFC where they had already clinched the top seed. I'll try to find it.

 

As for 30 for 30, The Four Falls of Buffalo is one I have not watched. I need to buy that on Amazon Prime (it is only $1.99). Thank you for mentioning that.

You’ll enjoy it Chongli.  It’s heartwarming and heartbreaking all at the same time.

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, JP51 said:

So truth is I would not have expected this outcome... thank you for that... I am just wondering... seems like a lot of bad teams in the AFC I believe they have 6 of the bottom 7 in the league in draft order... seems like a lot of have and have nots... I wonder (and no I am not gonna look it up LOL...nor am I asking anyone to I am just wondering) what the W/L ratio is between conferences amongst games between playoff teams...  I wonder if that tells the tale... 

as I mentioned….you had a strong division play a week division.

 

NFC north vs AFC south and east (1 game) GB, MIN and DET were 14-1.  Chicago went 2-3 Rest of the games went around 500

 

 

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

as I mentioned….you had a strong division play a week division.

 

NFC north vs AFC south and east (1 game) GB, MIN and DET were 14-1.  Chicago went 2-3 Rest of the games went around 500

 

 

No this is fair, I think I was looking at when the playoff teams from each conference went head to head... but I did do some back of the envelope stuff when I looked and it looked similar to me... like we were 1 and 1 I think Eagles fared really well... so I think the numbers bear out. Not gonna lie, I was surprised by them. 

[st pete gogolak]

On 1/10/2025 at 9:47 AM, NyQuil said:

I see what you did there.

I don't think you did.  

On 1/10/2025 at 9:27 AM, RichStadiumGuy said:

Almost 60% is just a tad over half... certainly not what I'd consider a "pummeling".

 

If a politician won an election with 60% of the vote it would be considered a landslide.  Sixty percent is significant.

[SoTier]

On 1/10/2025 at 2:09 PM, Brand J said:

Just meant that’s a ton of SB wins in recent memory between 2 AFC guys. If either were in the NFC that conference would be decisively ahead. 

 

I went and looked at the list of QBs who have 3 or more SB wins. It’s a pretty short list:

 

Tom Brady (7)

Joe Montana (4)

Terry Bradshaw (4)

Patrick Mahomes (3)

Troy Aikman (3)

Earl Morrall (3)

 

No active QB other than Mahomes has more than 1 SB win. All the guys with 2 are retired.

 

I was shocked when I saw Earl Morrall's name on the list.   I remembered him only as Johnny Unitas' backup who started Super Bowl III for the Baltimore Colts and lost to the Jests under Joe Namath (he started all 14 games that season and Baltimore went 13-1).  In 1970, he only started 1 game but led the Colts to a win in SB V.   In 1972, he started most of the games for Miami in their perfect season and won Super Bowl VII.  The next year he won Super Bowl VIII with Miami again despite having started only 1 game.

 

Morrall started in the NFL in 1956, so he was in his 13th season when he lost in Super Bowl III.   He finally retired in 1976 after 21 seasons and winning 3 SBs while coming off the bench to replace his team's starting QB.   The greatest "Super Sub" of all time.

[Arkady Renko]

The Pro Bowl Games will be the true test as to which conference is best. 

[RichStadiumGuy]

On 1/14/2025 at 2:54 PM, st pete gogolak said:

I don't think you did.  

If a politician won an election with 60% of the vote it would be considered a landslide.  Sixty percent is significant.

No... it's not "significant" and we're talking about the outcome of football games here. Comparing that to an election is a bit bizarre but regardless 60% is still barely more than half. Certainly far from what a normal non-exaggerating type of person would consider a "pummeling"!

[dma0034]

I don't think it's the AFC is better than than the NFC. It's more like if you have a team that plays in AFC they have a tougher path to the Superbowl. Look at the Bills and Ravens of they make it they will have had to beat the other and more than likely the Chiefs. 

 

Meanwhile the Lions and Eagles have softer matchups. As the Rams and Commanders are both good but neither are really considered contenders. Feels like the top 5 are the Bills, Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles and Lions (in no order)

[dave mcbride]

On 1/10/2025 at 4:43 AM, US Egg said:

Not sure what the point of this thread is but figure throw this in:

SB wins since merger

AFC 27

NFC 24

 

It’s 28-27 AFC over NFC since the merger and 29-29 overall — tied — once you factor in SBs 1-3.

On 1/14/2025 at 5:43 AM, chongli said:

 

Appreciate that, and sorry for the delay is responding (I was at a powerlifting meet this weekend, and am still recovering, lol).

 

Somewhere on my computer, I have a list I compiled a few years ago of all the teams overall records and inter-conference records for the 90's decade. I believe the Bills had the second-best overall record to the 49ers by only a few games and the best inter-conference record, even though they lost twice in meaningless final-week games against the NFC where they had already clinched the top seed. I'll try to find it.

 

As for 30 for 30, The Four Falls of Buffalo is one I have not watched. I need to buy that on Amazon Prime (it is only $1.99). Thank you for mentioning that.

They were 14-0 vs the NFC from 1990-93 if you factor out the two meaningless final-game losses to Washington in 1990 and Detroit in 1991 (an OT loss).

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, dma0034 said:

I don't think it's the AFC is better than than the NFC. It's more like if you have a team that plays in AFC they have a tougher path to the Superbowl. Look at the Bills and Ravens of they make it they will have had to beat the other and more than likely the Chiefs. 

 

Meanwhile the Lions and Eagles have softer matchups. As the Rams and Commanders are both good but neither are really considered contenders. Feels like the top 5 are the Bills, Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles and Lions (in no order)

I’d put the Rams in that tier too. They are 10-2 since they got over an early wave of injuries and factoring out the final game of the season, where they rested many starters. 

[Nick the Greek]

On 1/10/2025 at 9:19 AM, Beast said:

4-1

Rams seem to be peaking at the right time. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the NFC title game.