Allen biometrics

[Scott7975]

Whoops. Sorry. I didnt see this thread. 

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said:

I am sure biomechanics played a big part but I think there are other variables in play such as, 2nd year in the league, 2nd year in the offense, better wide receivers year over year, multiple coaches (OC, QB, Quality), a full year of coaching at the NFL level compared to fresh out of Wyoming, etc,   But the jump is certainly remarkable.

More experience definitely helps.  But if he can’t consistently make the throws because of poor mechanics, it’s all for naught. 

[LABILLBACKER]

17 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I readily own doubting Josh. I doubted that Bills would be competent enough to develop a qb like Allen. Salute to him for making huge changes that 99% of qbs could never do. Never been happier to wrong. 
 

Josh Alien is a unicorn 

Couldn't agree more. I was one of the Rosen supporters. I just couldn't see a path for his college 57% to improve.  What I didn't know about him because of his small program exposure was his ridiculous athleticism.  He makes Jim Kelly look like a bronze statue. So grateful I was 100% wrong. 

[chris heff]

18 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

Really good, not just the biometrics, but who Josh is. 

[C.Biscuit97]

30 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Really good, not just the biometrics, but who Josh is. 

Josh is truly an awesome human and leader. In my wildest dreams (and I have some wild dreams!) could imagine him being a possible MVP candidate. It’s insane. 

14 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

LOVE nerding out on this stuff. So cool. "Rotational athletics" (referenced by Allen in vid) encompasses a range of popular American sports, and the fundamental best practices of rotational throwing (and swinging) actually run counter to how many youth QBs have been taught to handle the ball and throw. 

 

Think of what Rodgers (I know, forgive me) looked like in college: classic football drop-back fundamentals with two hands on the ball, up really high around his damned ear hole, and then a mostly over-the-top motion and release. What has always been called "classic" with respect to NFL QBing. (Helps with ball security and clearing the first line of defenders, but not at all "correct" from the more general perspective of human body biometric optimization.) 

 

 

Then think of what Rodgers became known for in the NFL: lower/multiple arm angles and absolutely spinning the ball. Never before had I seen such a fundamental transformation in mechanics. I've always been obsessed with how top athletes throw the way they do. Really had a lot of respect for the way this particular athlete worked on his game. Of course, he had like FOUR seasons to perfect his personal craft before we really saw him again lol.

 

 

Ha, pulled a sneaky on ya. But you get the drift. 

 

I believe that’s why both of those guys dropped in the draft plus their offenses were thought to be gimmicky. Those guys went to great organizations and had time to change their mechanics. 
 

more qbs are ruined than developed 

[buffaloboyinATL]

I'm assuming biomechanics would be a more accurate term? That said, I remember watching this before and it was great information.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

 

I thought there were rules against posting porn on this message board?

 

[Fleezoid]

The 258 Million Dollar Man. 

 

 

Accounts for inflation. 

[chris heff]

38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Josh is truly an awesome human and leader. In my wildest dreams (and I have some wild dreams!) could imagine him being a possible MVP candidate. It’s insane. 

I believe that’s why both of those guys dropped in the draft plus their offenses were thought to be gimmicky. Those guys went to great organizations and had time to change their mechanics. 
 

more qbs are ruined than developed 

I was screaming for the Bills to draft Lamar because I knew his story. Played high school football in the next town. Followed his college career at Louisville. I didn’t know anything about Josh. Obviously drafting Lamar would have worked out, but i’m glad Josh Allen is a Bill. I wouldn’t change it.

[machine gun kelly]

16 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

The 258 Million Dollar Man. 

 

 

Accounts for inflation. 

I used to love that show when I was in elementary school.  I almost think the TV producers, should use those audio graphics on replays when he leaps over a LB.   Nananana,  wawawawawa.

 

Great new nickname for Josh.  The Bionic Man.

[colin]

there is a boxing coach near pittzburgh named tony yankello.  he's got a youtube channel and does lots of instagram posts.  he drills his fighters like mad (he's worked with some great fighters, including roy jones jr) and his basics are great.  he preaches flat feet, particularly flat rear foot, 60 40 weight on the back foot, and rotation of mass through the fulcrum of the center of the hips.  some of what he's specifically doing is building in defense into punch mechanics and set ups, so it's not all apples to apples, but the basics are entirely the same.  throwing the back hand (right cross being the most popular for right handed fighters) is the same thing, more or less, as throwing the football wrt motion.  i love seeing this kind of stuff!

[billrooter]

20 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Same here.  I didn't want him because I didn't think there was any way he could become accurate since I've never seen it done before, at least in the 30 years I've been watching football, regardless of the franchise.

 

 

Exact same opinion I had, mechanics are so hard to change. So happy a lot of us were wrong.

[BRH]

20 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

and I don’t care. I still think Rosen could have had a better career if he didn’t get drafted into the worst situation for a rookie qb. 

 

Maybe, and there's no doubt that Arizona was a terrible situation.  But there were always rumblings that Rosen didn't love football, and moreover, he didn't NEED football either.  Comes from a well-off family, almost went to Princeton instead of UCLA, and now he's doing his MBA at Wharton.  

 

I love Josh Allen, but he'd probably be the first to tell you that if he wasn't a pro athlete he'd be a melon farmer.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  But it's like Pete Carril used to say:  "I want one-car garage guys.  You can't win with three-car garage guys.  Two cars, you have a shot.  But not three."  Josh Rosen?  He's a three-car garage guy.

[BuffaloBill]

22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

This is one of the reasons why you have to love JA. He has sought ways to get better.

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, billrooter said:

Exact same opinion I had, mechanics are so hard to change. So happy a lot of us were wrong.

His upper body mechanics were out of sync but not terrible 

 

It was his feet, that is lower body mechanics were a mess.. but that's a lot easier to fix then a tim Tebow release 

[NoSaint]

On 1/9/2025 at 5:51 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I readily own doubting Josh. I doubted that Bills would be competent enough to develop a qb like Allen. Salute to him for making huge changes that 99% of qbs could never do. Never been happier to wrong. 
 

Josh Alien is a unicorn 

JA17 is like finding the winning lotto ticket. Amazing but statistically not a great plan for financial success to bank on the small school guy with accuracy issues  
 

those that hit though can have a great time! We are quite lucky. 

[Richard Noggin]

12 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Josh is truly an awesome human and leader. In my wildest dreams (and I have some wild dreams!) could imagine him being a possible MVP candidate. It’s insane. 

I believe that’s why both of those guys dropped in the draft plus their offenses were thought to be gimmicky. Those guys went to great organizations and had time to change their mechanics. 
 

more qbs are ruined than developed 

 

Mahomes already had a more dynamic, rotational throwing motion (had done some pitching of course), but what he had was AWFUL footwork and pocket movement under pressure (always drifting backwards and/or looking to escape out the back door, which is the rookiest of habits). Rodgers was clearly an okay athlete and a decent QB, but I'm not sure his complete overhaul into one of the best spinners of the ball ever (plus elite pocket manipulation--that hop forward to help his blockers regain advantage, followed by a hop backward to gain some separation) was foreseen by many? I thought in his prime he threw the best overall ball I've ever seen. Though I hate to admit it now. 

 

Allen had major inconsistencies in his fundamentals and decision-making when drafted. And somehow he gradually fixed himself even without a redshirt year or four, or a QB whisperer coach in Buffalo. Almost like his bad habits weren't as deeply ingrained/conditioned due to relatively limited reps, and therefore were readily able to be reprogrammed with proper design and regimentation. His ability to install and repeat new mechanics and habits, under duress, has been impressive to watch over the years. His athleticism and grit has probably bought him more time to do so.

 

I wonder who are some intriguing 1st rounders who genuinely could have developed under more favorable circumstances? 

[Dan Darragh]

On 1/10/2025 at 1:37 AM, Your Brown Eye said:

I thought "alien" was the phrase of the month?

That was last month.

[billrooter]

12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

His upper body mechanics were out of sync but not terrible 

 

It was his feet, that is lower body mechanics were a mess.. but that's a lot easier to fix then a tim Tebow release 

Yeah I know but it all the years I've watched football I haven't seen many guys improve their accuracy like he has.

[Just in Atlanta]

I played golf for the first time last year and took a quick lesson so I wouldn't look like an idiot.
 

It struck me how much of a golf swing was actually in the hips and how off-center the golf club should actually be, both of which did not feel natural, but after 100 reps felt good.
 

On another note, Josh Allen is a treasure.