Allen biometrics

[Ralonzo]

33 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Remember this thread after the Texans playoff loss?

 

 

Woo boi, some steaming hot piles of take in there!

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

Do cyborgs have biometrics?

calibration?

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

Feels like Aikman in the video completely missed the point of what happened with Allen. He didn't really disprove the rule that if a QB is inaccurate he can't become accurate. What the video showed and what was pretty apparent and what I think Bean clearly saw was that Allen when his mechanics are right throws the ball where he wants it to go. He wasn't mechanically sound, but he also didn't have a ***** ton of reps like all those other highly recruited QBs that went to QB camps. He focused on his mechanics and his number improved but the accuracy was always there.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

Is this something that developed throughout the course of 2 years?  Or did he refine his motion during the 2020 offseason?

 

The video makes it sound like it happened all on three 2020 offseason which is truly impressive if that’s the case

 

 

[Dan]

1 hour ago, MDH said:

It's funny, the thing that made Baker the first pick of the draft was how many reps he had taken at QB throughout his life. HS, College, camps, etc. Allen was thousands of reps behind him. But if Allen had all those reps, he never would have been able to switch his throwing motion so quickly (if at all.) It's the fact that he didn't have them that allowed him to do so.

Thats what I’ve thought as I see all these pieces.  The unique thing about Josh…he wasn’t THE guy that received all the scholarships and had success at every step.  He’s had to work at each stage to be successful.   The pro game was no different.   He knew he was behind guys like Mayfield.  He knew he had to work harder… plus he had the upbringing that taught him humility enough to want to learn.  So he not only got the training.. he listened to it.  He adapted his style of play and his mechanics to be who he is.  
 

Not many first round QBs have the humility to do what he did. And most have been playing as the #1 guy for so long they don’t truly believe they need to change their mechanics or preparation.   And ..that.. is why Josh is a unicorn.  He was drafted #7 but realized he still had a lot to learn.. a lot to change.. to become the player he wanted to be.  And he was willing to put in the work to do all that.  
 

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

 

This piece with Jason Garrett is new, but it's been talked about before

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/11/15/Upfront/The-tech-advantage.aspx

 

and this embarrassingly gushy pre-national-game interview with Chris Simms

It's interesting to see how much chunkier Allen was back then.  Part of it is a flattering beard style that shapes his face, but he genuinely does seem to be trying to be more in shape

[RochesterLifer]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This piece with Jason Garrett is new, but it's been talked about before

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/11/15/Upfront/The-tech-advantage.aspx

 

and this embarrassingly gushy pre-national-game interview with Chris Simms

It's interesting to see how much chunkier Allen was back then.  Part of it is a flattering beard style that shapes his face, but he genuinely does seem to be trying to be more in shape

He’s not a talker, he’s a doer. He works to improve every year and it’s clear he applies his continuous improvement mindset to his body also. His durability is no accident. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I readily own doubting Josh. I doubted that Bills would be competent enough to develop a qb like Allen. Salute to him for making huge changes that 99% of qbs could never do. Never been happier to wrong. 
 

Josh Alien is a unicorn 

same- it wasn’t because I didn’t think he could be great.  I didn’t think we’d be able to develop him enough to become great.  
 

for all the heat mcd takes around here, me included, he doesn’t get enough credit for Josh’s development.  Many don’t give him any credit.  

[billsfan_34]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

That was great 

[JESSEFEFFER]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

His Combine run was very awkward.  He probably really runs in the mid 4.6s.

That Forrest Gump running style goes away when he is carrying a football.  Should have run the combine 40 that way.

[GoBills808]

4 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Remember this thread after the Texans playoff loss?

 

Of course

[Thrivefourfive]

Until I see the biomechanics on Rosen, can’t prove me wrong 

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Of course

To your credit, you were right on this one.

[Richard Noggin]

LOVE nerding out on this stuff. So cool. "Rotational athletics" (referenced by Allen in vid) encompasses a range of popular American sports, and the fundamental best practices of rotational throwing (and swinging) actually run counter to how many youth QBs have been taught to handle the ball and throw. 

 

Think of what Rodgers (I know, forgive me) looked like in college: classic football drop-back fundamentals with two hands on the ball, up really high around his damned ear hole, and then a mostly over-the-top motion and release. What has always been called "classic" with respect to NFL QBing. (Helps with ball security and clearing the first line of defenders, but not at all "correct" from the more general perspective of human body biometric optimization.) 

 

 

Then think of what Rodgers became known for in the NFL: lower/multiple arm angles and absolutely spinning the ball. Never before had I seen such a fundamental transformation in mechanics. I've always been obsessed with how top athletes throw the way they do. Really had a lot of respect for the way this particular athlete worked on his game. Of course, he had like FOUR seasons to perfect his personal craft before we really saw him again lol.

 

 

Ha, pulled a sneaky on ya. But you get the drift. 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not sure if this has been shared but I thought this was awesome. He is truly a unicorn who put in so much work to become the player he has become. Truly impressive. 
 

 

I can see why he is also good at golf. These mechanics issues are so similar, and you develop the right “feel” and “swing thought” (or “throwing thought”) to get the mechanics ingrained is a similar concept as in golf.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

To your credit, you were right on this one.

This one lol

[Scott7975]

Its only a few minutes but its really cool. Also, holy crap how fast he whips a throw out. 

 

 

[MJS]

 

 

[Don Otreply]

Cool, thanks for posting that, 👍

[buffalostu2]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

Good to see Aikman own being wrong about Josh.  But to be fair, I think Josh is a unicorn in that department.  I can't think of anyone else doing it before.

I am sure biomechanics played a big part but I think there are other variables in play such as, 2nd year in the league, 2nd year in the offense, better wide receivers year over year, multiple coaches (OC, QB, Quality), a full year of coaching at the NFL level compared to fresh out of Wyoming, etc,   But the jump is certainly remarkable.