Codrington and his backup

[eball]

Sounds like Codrington is trending towards playing this weekend.  Practiced ST (but not defense) on Thursday.

 

[PaattMaann]

17 minutes ago, eball said:

Sounds like Codrington is trending towards playing this weekend.  Practiced ST (but not defense) on Thursday.

 

 

I love that he practiced in a limited capacity...don't know I would call it trending towards playing. He took two reps as punt returner and let both go over his head into his the end zone. Not a good history with our guys injuring hammy and playing the next week (although almost all that did, played special teams). I think its a true 50/50 sitch. I want him to suit up and just fair catch punt returns at the least.

[eball]

1 minute ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I love that he practiced in a limited capacity...don't know I would call it trending towards playing. He took two reps as punt returner and let both go over his head into his the end zone. Not a good history with our guys injuring hammy and playing the next week (although almost all that did, played special teams). I think its a true 50/50 sitch. I want him to suit up and just fair catch punt returns at the least.

 

I didn’t hear that sort of detail…just going by his post-practice comments.  I’d guess it’s more like 60-40; they’ll see if he suffers any setbacks and whether it is tight on Sunday morning.

 

[PaattMaann]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

I didn’t hear that sort of detail…just going by his post-practice comments.  I’d guess it’s more like 60-40; they’ll see if he suffers any setbacks and whether it is tight on Sunday morning.

 

 

Maddy Glabb told those deets on One Bills Live yesterday afternoon right after practice, and yea maybe I do agree with you 60/40. So F it, he's trending towards playing!

[MrEpsYtown]

Shakir is the answer to all this. But hopefully, Codrington plays. Unless they wanted to bring up KJ Hamler. 

 

Jalen Virgil can return kicks. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 02:11 PM by MrEpsYtown

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Shakir is the answer to all this. But hopefully, Codrington plays. Unless they wanted to bring up KJ Hamler. 

 

Jalen Virgil can return kicks. 

 

 

I doubt they risk their most productive WR on punt returns.  Ty Johnson makes sense if they don’t bring someone up from the practice squad.

[Mango]

17 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Shakir is the answer to all this. But hopefully, Codrington plays. Unless they wanted to bring up KJ Hamler. 

 

Jalen Virgil can return kicks. 

 

 

Unless it’s for sure handedness for a fair catch and/or decision making, Shakir is too valuable to our offense in the passing game to risk injury trying to take a punt return to the house. 
 

The odds of Shakir going for 100 yards and 2 TD’s on offense have got to be 3-4x higher than him returning a punt for a TD. 
 

Put him back there, fine. But he has to be instructed to waive it off. 

[The Jokeman]

19 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Shakir is the answer to all this. But hopefully, Codrington plays. Unless they wanted to bring up KJ Hamler. 

 

Jalen Virgil can return kicks. 

 

 

Ty Johnson can return kickoffs as well or if we have to we could call up the kid we drafted out of PSU since he can play CB too. 

[Beck Water]

26 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Shakir is the answer to all this. But hopefully, Codrington plays. Unless they wanted to bring up KJ Hamler. 

 

Jalen Virgil can return kicks. 

 

 

 

If the question is "who is the Bills most productive WR this season and far too valuable to the offense to be risked on returning punts?" then sure, Shakir is that answer.

[since79]

What Bills coach said something like this " He is really not a returner, he is just a punt catcher"? Anyone remember. Wade?

[Dillenger4]

Ty Johnson is our returner after Codrington. Not sure what the discussion is?

[folz]

I posted this in the other thread, but for anyone who didn't see the other thread, I thought I would repost it. It's a list of other Bills players with return experience:

 

Khalil Shakir: NFL---6 kick off returns, 8 punt returns

                       College---7 kick off returns, 24 punt returns 

 

Micah Hyde: NFL---3 kick off returns, 17 punt returns

                      College---29 punt returns

 

Ty Johnson: NFL---27 kick off returns

                     College---48 kick off returns, 4 punt returns, 2 kick off return touchdowns

 

KJ Hamler: NFL---2 kick off returns, 3 punt returns

                   College: 44 kick off returns, 37 punt returns

 

Curtis Samuel: NFL---20 kick off returns

                         College---21 kick off returns, 6 punt returns

 

Daequan Hardy: College---3 kick off returns, 17 punt returns, 2 punt returns for TDs

 

Jalen Virgil: College---36 kick off returns, 3 kick off return TDs

 

Keon Coleman: College---25 punt returns

 

 

[Andrew Son]

3 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Ty Johnson is our returner after Codrington. Not sure what the discussion is?

Have you ever seen Ty return a punt?

[Dillenger4]

6 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Have you ever seen Ty return a punt?

No, not a punt. Just kickoff for a 24yd return average since 2023. He has fair caught punts though.

[MrEpsYtown]

31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I doubt they risk their most productive WR on punt returns.  Ty Johnson makes sense if they don’t bring someone up from the practice squad.

 

27 minutes ago, Mango said:

Unless it’s for sure handedness for a fair catch and/or decision making, Shakir is too valuable to our offense in the passing game to risk injury trying to take a punt return to the house. 
 

The odds of Shakir going for 100 yards and 2 TD’s on offense have got to be 3-4x higher than him returning a punt for a TD. 
 

Put him back there, fine. But he has to be instructed to waive it off. 

 

19 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

If the question is "who is the Bills most productive WR this season and far too valuable to the offense to be risked on returning punts?" then sure, Shakir is that answer.

 

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I disagree with this type of thinking. It's the playoffs. Shakir is very smart with his body and avoids big hits and there is inherent risk everywhere on the field. To me, it's like the old Herm Edwards "You play to win the game." No reason to hold anything back at this point IMO.  

 

Again, just my opinion. But I am interested to see how things go. 

Edited Friday at 02:55 PM by MrEpsYtown

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I disagree with this type of thinking. It's the playoffs. Shakir is very smart with his body and avoids big hits and there is inherent risk everywhere on the field. To me, it's like the old Herm Edwards "You play to win the game." No reason to hold anything back at this point IMO.  

 

It would be one thing if there were no alternatives.  But there are alternatives.

 

Yes, there is risk all over the field in the game of football, but the risk on a punt return is objectively different. 
I mean think about it.  On a normal play, the defense lines up with different objectives.  4-6 men are trying to get to the QB.  5-7 men are spread out across the field covering different players or trying to stop the run.

 

On a punt return, 10 of 11 guys line up with one object: "Get to the ball.  If a man has the ball, kill the man with the ball!"  And the 11th man just has the distraction "punt the ball first".  The level of mayhem and focus is just different.
 

Andre' Roberts said "You've got to have a screw loose". 

Nyheim Hines said "I tell myself, I don't care about my life"  

 

Again, if there were no alternatives on the Bills who had tried to field a punt, that would be one thing, but Daequan Hardy was doing so in pre-season and until the Codrington trade, many thought he'd won the job, he looked adequate.  Both he and Keon Coleman were fielding punts last year for their college teams.

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Shakir, Johnson, Hardy could all fill in.

 

I don’t think Hyde will ever see the field. This is his transition into coaching. 

[Einstein's Dog]

I would prefer Codrington then Hyde.

 

I don't want to see a rookie in there, just too much pressure. 

 

I also would not want to see Shakir or T Johnson- I consider them too valuable at their other duties - Shakir as our WR and this might be a T Johnson type of game - the out of the backfield catching RB is a weakness for Denver.

 

I also don't want to see someone who would consider it their number one job- ie Hardy or even Hamler.  Thinking this is their opportunity to make a name for themselves, this can prompt them to make risky decisions that might not be in the teams best interest.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Shakir is the answer to all this. But hopefully, Codrington plays. Unless they wanted to bring up KJ Hamler. 

 

Jalen Virgil can return kicks. 

 

 

Let's go App!  Ef Ichigan. 

[T master]

15 hours ago, BlazinBill said:

I'm going Ty Johnson steps up and shows out in yet another position -

Dude balls and is fast and has returned punts 

 

I think Ty is a guy the Bills need to keep around, i hope they pay him he is a very good player that can be used in many ways as he has proven that in his time here, the dude is a contributor when ever he's on the field .