Chris Spielman to interview for Jet's GM position

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

A lot better than Fine. St Brown, Branch, the Goff trade is one of the greatest trades ever, LaPorta, the RBs (which he got killed on for taking Gibbs that high) - that team is absolutely loaded.

 

Im not taking away from how Greta those 2 guys and how much they helped. But they are also benefiting from being on an awesome team as well. Sewell could be Joe Thomas on the Browns and the Bengals had the sack leader. The lions are a great franchise and makes olayers reach their ceiling. 

I don’t disagree but there is a difference between LT and RT. Odds are he will be amazing but he still really hasn’t done it at the nfl level. 
 

and based on the way he made Darold (and every qb he has played with) not look like a scrub, I’d go Jefferson. But we’re splitting hairs. 

 

I didn't mean fine as a pejorative term. He has done a good job building that roster. After all Holmes could have got cute too but he didn't. He made the sensible moves and drafted Hutch and Sewell. And I 100% guarantee that Sewell will dominate when Decker ages out and they flip him to LT too. 

 

On who you'd take in a draft of non-QB NFL vets it would be down to three guys for me: Sewell, Jefferson, Surtain.... maybe 4 if Micah Parsons can get and stay healthy. 

Edited Friday at 03:55 PM by GunnerBill

[Mango]

Forgive my ignorance for the FO structure in Detroit, but CEO and Special Assistant to the Owner sounds a lot like a different name for President of Football Ops. 
 

Wouldn’t GM of the Jets be at best a lateral move, if not a demotion?

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

Forgive my ignorance for the FO structure in Detroit, but CEO and Special Assistant to the Owner sounds a lot like a different name for President of Football Ops. 
 

Wouldn’t GM of the Jets be at best a lateral move, if not a demotion?

 

Yea it sort of is.

[shane nelson]

 He was an amazing player and will be an even better GM.  Hope he passes on Woody's Workshop.  Anywhere but the AFCE

[sunshynman]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

Forgive my ignorance for the FO structure in Detroit, but CEO and Special Assistant to the Owner sounds a lot like a different name for President of Football Ops. 
 

Wouldn’t GM of the Jets be at best a lateral move, if not a demotion?

I would expect they would give him President\CEO and GM as a title. It probably comes down to if he sees it as a challenge. 

[machine gun kelly]

I always liked Spielman.  He’s a standup guy.

[Fan in Chicago]

4 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Wouldn’t GM of the Jets be at best a lateral move, if not a demotion?

A move to any position on the Jets staff is a demotion

[SoonerBillsFan]

For the love of God don't do it Chris!!!

[Jerome007]

My youngest son put up a poster in his room of Bruce, Spielman and Paup. He doesn't know any of them but he still put it up himself ha ha.

 

I recall when he was hired. It was Superbowl talk galore. And the Bill started 0-3... Yet they turned it around and made the playoffs. Back then, IIRC, only 3 teams had done so after starting 0-3. I know as a fan I never gave up and neither did the players. But media and most fans sure did. You know how it is after ONE loss. Imagine starting 0-3!

 

[billsfan89]

8 hours ago, shane nelson said:

 He was an amazing player and will be an even better GM.  Hope he passes on Woody's Workshop.  Anywhere but the AFCE

 

Honestly you can have a good GM in place but if the organization has a meddling owner its not going to be that successful. The Knicks for example had Donnie Walsh a truly respected basketball mind come in after a long run of poor seasons in the late 00's and after Walsh was given a few seasons to try and execute a rebuild and the results were decent until the meddling owner James Dolan ***** it up by meddling in the teams operations and Walsh was driven out. 

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Campbell assembled a staff of nobody's in the NFL and both his coordinators will be HC's.  Not to mention leading one of the all time turnarounds. The Lions were at the Jets level of dysfunction. He deserves a lot of credit and I imagine is one of the top 3-5 in the NFL. 

 

Actually, the reason that the Lions have become a powerhouse in the last three or four years is because they changed ownership.  Sheila Ford Hamp took control of the team from her mother.  Prior to Hamp taking up the reins, the Lions wallowed in perpetual bottom feeding for decades just like the Jests under Woody Johnson, the Raiders under Mark Davis, the Commanders under Dan Snyder, and the Bills during the last decade plus of Ralph Wilson's ownership.  Sometimes the owners or their surrogates meddle in football decisions.  Sometimes ownership has higher priorities than winning football games.  Sometimes an owner isn't a good judge of the personnel he or she hires to run their teams. 

 

As long as Woody Johnson is the owner of the Jests, the chances of the team rising above mediocrity isn't likely to happen, no matter who they hire as GM because the owner's proclivities tend to undermine success on the field.

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Actually, the reason that the Lions have become a powerhouse in the last three or four years is because they changed ownership.  Sheila Ford Hamp took control of the team from her mother.  Prior to Hamp taking up the reins, the Lions wallowed in perpetual bottom feeding for decades just like the Jests under Woody Johnson, the Raiders under Mark Davis, the Commanders under Dan Snyder, and the Bills during the last decade plus of Ralph Wilson's ownership.  Sometimes the owners or their surrogates meddle in football decisions.  Sometimes ownership has higher priorities than winning football games.  Sometimes an owner isn't a good judge of the personnel he or she hires to run their teams. 

 

As long as Woody Johnson is the owner of the Jests, the chances of the team rising above mediocrity isn't likely to happen, no matter who they hire as GM because the owner's proclivities tend to undermine success on the field.

So if a team changes to having good ownership that’s all you need? A decent owner puts you in a better position to get the right people but if you don’t do so it won’t matter and that process isn’t an exact science. With Campbell it would be for nothing. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

So if a team changes to having good ownership that’s all you need? A decent owner puts you in a better position to get the right people but if you don’t do so it won’t matter and that process isn’t an exact science. With Campbell it would be for nothing. 

 

No you need more than good owners. But they are often a starting point. Good organisations have a clear strategy, clear lines of authority and a clear sense of the people that fit their ethos. The thing that makes me confident the Jets don't know what they are doing in this search is they are bringing in all different types of people for both jobs. If you haven't got a person specification in mind how do you know when you find the rght guy beyond gut feeling?

[transient]

Spielman must have tired of working for the communists that built the dome in Detroit. 

[SoTier]

6 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

So if a team changes to having good ownership that’s all you need? A decent owner puts you in a better position to get the right people but if you don’t do so it won’t matter and that process isn’t an exact science. With Campbell it would be for nothing. 

 

I wrote specifically about teams that have had losing records for decades with few, if any playoff appearances much less playoff wins.  The Bills went 17 seasons without a playoff appearance.  The Lions went 30 years or some ridiculous number of seasons without a playoff win.  The Jests haven't made the playoffs in 14 seasons, and only have 3 playoff seasons in the last 20 years. 

 

All these teams replaced GMs and coaching staffs multiple times, including bringing in proven people who won elsewhere.  They also frequently had rosters with decent talent, including some superstars.   Even the claim, "well, they don't have a franchise QB" doesn't work; Matthew Stafford wasted most of his career putting up big numbers for the Lions but never winning a playoff game.  Stafford took the Rams to a Lombardi in his very first season in LA.  The constant with all these was/is the ownership.  

 

Within a couple of years of Hamp taking over the Lions, they became a NFC power house.  The Commanders made the playoffs the first season after Snyder was forced out.  The Bills situation was a little more complicated because Pegula retained Russ Brandon, Ralph Wilson's surrogate, and put him into a similar role after the Rex Ryan debacle.  The season after Brandon was fired for non-football reasons and Beane was put in charge, the Bills made the playoffs and never looked back. 

 

Unless they change the ownership, perpetual losers have no real chance of turning things around.

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

I wrote specifically about teams that have had losing records for decades with few, if any playoff appearances much less playoff wins.  The Bills went 17 seasons without a playoff appearance.  The Lions went 30 years or some ridiculous number of seasons without a playoff win.  The Jests haven't made the playoffs in 14 seasons, and only have 3 playoff seasons in the last 20 years. 

 

All these teams replaced GMs and coaching staffs multiple times, including bringing in proven people who won elsewhere.  They also frequently had rosters with decent talent, including some superstars.   Even the claim, "well, they don't have a franchise QB" doesn't work; Matthew Stafford wasted most of his career putting up big numbers for the Lions but never winning a playoff game.  Stafford took the Rams to a Lombardi in his very first season in LA.  The constant with all these was/is the ownership.  

 

Within a couple of years of Hamp taking over the Lions, they became a NFC power house.  The Commanders made the playoffs the first season after Snyder was forced out.  The Bills situation was a little more complicated because Pegula retained Russ Brandon, Ralph Wilson's surrogate, and put him into a similar role after the Rex Ryan debacle.  The season after Brandon was fired for non-football reasons and Beane was put in charge, the Bills made the playoffs and never looked back. 

 

Unless they change the ownership, perpetual losers have no real chance of turning things around.

It's not too awful hard to tell when it's the ownership dragging a team through the muck for decades. It may not be the final answer , but certainly a critical component of Teams success short and long term.

 Pegula comes to mind with the Bills