Pin the Head Coach on the Donkey....

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They'll have a hard time selling any candidate other than Ben Johnson (or Vrabel if he wasn't already practically the Pats coach), and I just don't see that match happening at this point. They'd sell Monken as the coach that turned Lamar Jackson into a perennial MVP candidate supported by an elite run game. I could see Liam Coen as another option, sold to the fans as the coach that turned Mayfield's career around. 

Pete Carroll although he’s like a Lovie Smith on speed.

[Sojourner]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Pete Carroll although he’s like a Lovie Smith on speed.

So that’s what he was always chewing on the sidelines! 
 

🤔

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Joe Brady has been around Sean Payton.  Once upon a time Sean Payton was the Ben Johnson/Joe brady of his time.  Al Davis basically begged him to take the raiders job after the 04 season.  Parcells convinced him it was a losing proposition.  Payton returned to Dallas and Parcells named him assistant head coach and let him call plays in 2005.  He then got the Saints job after the season.

 

I imagine Brady is well aware of this.  A young offensive minded coach going to the jets/saints/raiders right now seems like a situation where in 3 years you will have to prove your abilities again as an offensive coordinator.   Those seem like places for veterans who understand the situation or defensive coaches where you can turn around a unit based on scheme alone really quick.  Offense is totally different and you will now be in charge of everything plus be expected to maintain your offensive excellence.

 

I feel pretty confident Brady is not going to want any of these current jobs sans new england.  I don't think he will be a finalist there though.

 

 

Payton wasn't really on par with what Johnson/Brady are right now.   Certainly not Johnson, at least.  

 

And even this year there are jobs that look better than what Payton took over in NOLA.   If I recall correctly, proximity to Texas(for family reasons) was a key reason for taking the Saints job.    Wasn't because it was a great gig.  In hindsight we don't remember Drew Brees being damaged goods but that's what he was when the Saints acquired him.   On the surface that was a sh!t job.   His success there was surprising.

 

Prior to his time in Dallas, Payton had been an OC with the Giants but Jim Tressell took the play calling away from him during that 2000 season where the Ravens wiped the floor with them in the SB then he got canned after 2002.   I guess you could compare that to Brady getting fired in Carolina but Brady also had the historic LSU run.   Payton had really just been a QB coach prior to NYG.

[Olliemets]

Not Bills or AFC related at all....but I'd love to see Mike McCarthy stick it to Jerry Jones. Guy was left dangling after Sunday and a lame duck all year. And Jerry refused to let him speak to anyone before his contract expires next Tuesday. Guy is a good, but not great coach who did a decent job with a terribly constructed, injury-plagued roster this past season. Has won a Super Bowl. Has a very good career W-L record.

 

Jerry always looking for attention and holding court in Dallas. I'd love McCarthy to stick it to him and walk. 

[Low Positive]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Payton wasn't really on par with what Johnson/Brady are right now.   Certainly not Johnson, at least.  

 

And even this year there are jobs that look better than what Payton took over in NOLA.   If I recall correctly, proximity to Texas(for family reasons) was a key reason for taking the Saints job.    Wasn't because it was a great gig.  In hindsight we don't remember Drew Brees being damaged goods but that's what he was when the Saints acquired him.   On the surface that was a sh!t job.   His success there was surprising.

 

Prior to his time in Dallas, Payton had been an OC with the Giants but Jim Tressell took the play calling away from him during that 2000 season where the Ravens wiped the floor with them in the SB then he got canned after 2002.   I guess you could compare that to Brady getting fired in Carolina but Brady also had the historic LSU run.   Payton had really just been a QB coach prior to NYG.

Jim Fassel, but yeah....

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

Brian Daboll couldn't wait to leave because he hated Sean. Unfortunately for him, he didn't get the Chargers job with Herbert and got stuck with Danny Dimes. I don't feel the same tension with Sean and Brady but who knows. Considering there's only 32 NFL HC jobs in the world and no guarantee he'll be offered one again, a lot of coaches make the leap. Ben Johnson seems to be rare these days.

 

Daboll isn't a front-of-the-house guy.   Just doesn't get along with process oriented football coach types.  Saban clearly hated him.   Either that or he was asking where his mother was from 10 times a game on the sideline.   The story about Saban not even knowing Daboll had taken the Bills OC job was classic.   It was inevitable his douchebaggery would rub McD the wrong way.    Belichick liked him though because he could run a broom.   8 years as the TE coach. 

[US Egg]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Daboll isn't a front-of-the-house guy.   Just doesn't get along with process oriented football coach types.  Saban clearly hated him.   Either that or he was asking where his mother was from 10 times a game on the sideline.   The story about Saban not even knowing Daboll had taken the Bills OC job was classic.   It was inevitable his douchebaggery would rub McD the wrong way.    Belichick liked him though because he could run a broom.   8 years as the TE coach. 

I caught flak awhile back for categorizing Daboll as a vagabond opportunist, albeit a fairly knowledgeable one.

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, US Egg said:

I caught flak awhile back for categorizing Daboll as a vagabond opportunist, albeit a fairly knowledgeable one.

 

 

There are a lot of Dabollievers still.   They forget that his 2018 offense was the lowest scoring offense thru half of an NFL season since the merger,  and that he couldn't run the ball and that his results would be wildly inconsistent.   That mid-season swoon in 2021 was for real......a 6-3 loss to a winless Jags team.......and more inexcusable staggering down the stretch but because he went out with 2 high scoring playoff games that's all some remember.   Rookie OC Dorsey did more with less in 2022(including a gaudy 5.2 yards per carry) and Brady has taken their efficiency up to another level.    

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[MikePJ76]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Payton wasn't really on par with what Johnson/Brady are right now.   Certainly not Johnson, at least.  

 

And even this year there are jobs that look better than what Payton took over in NOLA.   If I recall correctly, proximity to Texas(for family reasons) was a key reason for taking the Saints job.    Wasn't because it was a great gig.  In hindsight we don't remember Drew Brees being damaged goods but that's what he was when the Saints acquired him.   On the surface that was a sh!t job.   His success there was surprising.

 

Prior to his time in Dallas, Payton had been an OC with the Giants but Jim Tressell took the play calling away from him during that 2000 season where the Ravens wiped the floor with them in the SB then he got canned after 2002.   I guess you could compare that to Brady getting fired in Carolina but Brady also had the historic LSU run.   Payton had really just been a QB coach prior to NYG.

Actually he was.  He was highly thought of in ny and then fassel scapegoated him.  Then fassel bombed without him in 03 and was fired.

 

He was a top candidate heading into the 05 season because of his closeness with Parcells.  
 

not sure why you think the saints job was bad.  They had a stable front office and a very talented roster.  What they needed was a young qb and someone to build an offense for him.  Payton wanted Romo and offered a second to Dallas and Parcells said no before the 06 season.  They ended up with Bree’s.  What no one knew was how much like Parcells Payton was.  Fassel portrayed him as a dunce that was holding him back and the reality was the opposite.  Fassel was the product of two excellent coordinators.

 

the saints 05 season was derailed by hurricane katrina but they had a talented group.  Payton ran one of the toughest camps in the league before they changed the rules and the players loved him for it.

 

New Orleans was absolutely not a bad job.  That was a pretty talented roster.  Good defensive group, outstanding rb group and a good offensive line plus a good kicker.  

[TheFunPolice]

11 hours ago, Olliemets said:

Not Bills or AFC related at all....but I'd love to see Mike McCarthy stick it to Jerry Jones. Guy was left dangling after Sunday and a lame duck all year. And Jerry refused to let him speak to anyone before his contract expires next Tuesday. Guy is a good, but not great coach who did a decent job with a terribly constructed, injury-plagued roster this past season. Has won a Super Bowl. Has a very good career W-L record.

 

Jerry always looking for attention and holding court in Dallas. I'd love McCarthy to stick it to him and walk. 

 

Agreed! Big Mike would likely be a top candidate for a couple of teams. 

 

He'll get paid, so that's not an issue. But if he likes Dallas and wants to stay there's a good chance he'll be let go after next season anyway. That relationship feels played out.

 

This is also a cautionary tale for agents not to agree to this type of exclusive window even once the contract expires. McCarthy is unemployed but cannot seek work. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Actually he was.  He was highly thought of in ny and then fassel scapegoated him.  Then fassel bombed without him in 03 and was fired.

 

He was a top candidate heading into the 05 season because of his closeness with Parcells.  
 

not sure why you think the saints job was bad.  They had a stable front office and a very talented roster.  What they needed was a young qb and someone to build an offense for him.  Payton wanted Romo and offered a second to Dallas and Parcells said no before the 06 season.  They ended up with Bree’s.  What no one knew was how much like Parcells Payton was.  Fassel portrayed him as a dunce that was holding him back and the reality was the opposite.  Fassel was the product of two excellent coordinators.

 

the saints 05 season was derailed by hurricane katrina but they had a talented group.  Payton ran one of the toughest camps in the league before they changed the rules and the players loved him for it.

 

New Orleans was absolutely not a bad job.  That was a pretty talented roster.  Good defensive group, outstanding rb group and a good offensive line plus a good kicker.  

 

 

New Orleans was a dysfunctional, middling franchise without a franchise QB coming off a disastrous season with questions about whether they'd even be able to remain in New Orleans after Katrina.    San Antonio, anyone?

 

Absolutely not a bad job?   GTFOH.  I'm not even sure there is a comparison in recent memory of a WORSE job.

 

He rode a last place schedule to 10 wins in year 1 but they were sub .500 the next two years.   He and Brees made chicken salad out of that mess. 

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

New Orleans was a dysfunctional, middling franchise without a franchise QB coming off a disastrous season with questions about whether they'd even be able to remain in New Orleans after Katrina.    San Antonio, anyone?

 

Absolutely not a bad job?   GTFOH.  I'm not even sure there is a comparison in recent memory of a WORSE job.

 

He rode a last place schedule to 10 wins in year 1 but they were sub .500 the next two years.   He and Brees made chicken salad out of that mess. 

They had a losing record once in the previous 4 or 5 years.  They had a talented roster.  Yes the location of the team was an issue and no one was sure if the city could handle an nfl season going into 06.  They sure did.  They battled injuries the next few seasons before finally having a healthy roster in the superbowl year.

 

They had training camp in Shreveport and it helped them actually.  They all credited for creating a bigger team bond.  They made the NFC championship in the first year.  

 

Not a worse job? Ok then.  Have a nice day.

[RyanC883]

I'll give it a try: 

 

New England Patriots - Mike Vrabel - If he goes elsewhere, this is a HUGE lose for the Pats**.  He is a winning coach and can build a program.  Seems like a good fit for NE.  I don't like this because he makes the Pats formidable.  

New York Jets - Rex Ryan.  The Jets are going to Jets.  Rex will sell them on his time there going to two AFC Championship games, and provide a bevy of excuses for his following years there and in Buffalo.  Also, really hope this happens.  

Chicago Bears - Todd Monken - I think Johnson stays away from this division and rookie-laden team.  He has a better option below.  Monken jumps on the chance to coach a young QB and have a HC job, and the Bears are happy to have someone who ran a great offense in Balt.   Another option is Carrol.  The Bears here want someone who can get the most out of their young team.  Once Carrol has the team up to par, they can transition to another HC.  

New Orleans Saints - Kellen Moore- Brady won't get the gig yet, nor will he want to leave for this job.  Moore has been at several places around the NFL as an OC and will be able to harness that, build a great staff, and keep the Saints running.  Another option: David Shaw, a great coach at Standford until an inability to recruit got them.  He would also be able to assemble a staff and pull a quick turn around.  

Jacksonville Jaguars - Ben Johnson- Agree that the Jags wan an offensive mind, and they get on here.  Johnson gets a team with good talent (for a team with a HC opening).  He is intrigued in trying to resurrect T. Lawrence.    

Las Vegas Raiders - Byron Leftwich-The raiders want a steady hand who is offensive minded.  Leftwich is that.  Other options that could assemble a staff to turn this mess around include Flores, David Shaw.  

Edited 20 minutes ago by RyanC883

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Is this a good time and place to suggest that Josh McDaniels hire on as an assistant to Mike McDaniel? 🤔