Pin the Head Coach on the Donkey....

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

 

 

New England Patriots - Mike Vrabel -  I think Kraft will go with who he knows solid head coach who he thinks will settle them down and bring back Credibility

 

New York Jets -  Rex Ryan cause the Jets gonna Jets

 

Chicago Bears - Ron Rivera -   Gonna get the band and nostalgia back together lol 

 

New Orleans Saints - Aaron Glenn  -  building thru Defense until they get a QB

 

Jacksonville Jaguars -  Robert Saleh I think he goes back to his roots

 

Las Vegas Raiders - Brian Flores  Seems like a Raiders coach.

 

 

Saleh to Jacksonville makes a lot of sense, especially if Kahn is married to Balkke as GM.  I can’t see one of the main HC candidates turn down jobs for Jacksonville otherwise.    
 

Part of me is wondering it’s a Doug Whaley situation where he’ll allow the HC to dump the GM after the draft.  

[JP51]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Saleh to Jacksonville makes a lot of sense, especially if Kahn is married to Balkke as GM.  I can’t see one of the main HC candidates turn down jobs for Jacksonville otherwise.    
 

Part of me is wondering it’s a Doug Whaley situation where he’ll allow the HC to dump the GM after the draft.  

Interesting possibly maybe... 

[Sojourner]

That’s pretty much spot on. Can’t disagree and I’m almost exactly what you have. 
 

The only difference is, and I don’t think it happens, if Rex Ryan actually gets the Jets job it causes a shuffle that ends up having Joe Brady stay put. 
 

Rex: Jets

Glenn: Jags

Coen: Saints 

[GunnerBill]

46 minutes ago, White Linen said:

Joe Brady makes 1.8 mil and is the 8th highest paid OC.  The average HC contract is 6.6 mil with an average 3-5 term.  

 

This is why coordinators take bad HC situations.  

 

Not saying Brady will, as others have said, with Allen his value is likely to remain strong.

 

The Bills could increase that. They could do what the Lions did for Johnson. Pay Brady more.

[GerstAusGosheim]

5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I'm no football guru but why the hell would he leave a gig like he has with JA?

Brian Daboll couldn't wait to leave because he hated Sean. Unfortunately for him, he didn't get the Chargers job with Herbert and got stuck with Danny Dimes. I don't feel the same tension with Sean and Brady but who knows. Considering there's only 32 NFL HC jobs in the world and no guarantee he'll be offered one again, a lot of coaches make the leap. Ben Johnson seems to be rare these days.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

Brian Daboll couldn't wait to leave because he hated Sean. Unfortunately for him, he didn't get the Chargers job with Herbert and got stuck with Danny Dimes. I don't feel the same tension with Sean and Brady but who knows. Considering there's only 32 NFL HC jobs in the world and no guarantee he'll be offered one again, a lot of coaches make the leap. Ben Johnson seems to be rare these days.

Daboll has some issues as look at what he did to Wink Martindale after 1 season with the Giants and then he takes away play calling away from Kafka and not saying he should relinquish the role.  He might be a great mind but he might not be great with people and that can affect leadership and might be why the Giants have stunk since year 1 of Daboll. 

[JGMcD2]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills could increase that. They could do what the Lions did for Johnson. Pay Brady more.

I think this is the most likely scenario for Joe Brady. He should hold out for a better situation and collect a nice check from us for 2025.

 

He's going to be known as the guy who finally tamed Josh Allen and put together a record setting offense with an unproven supporting cast. Run it back for year 2, where he'll likely have better weapons at his disposal to make even more noise. 

 

If the chips fall properly, he may even get to stay here and take over... not finding a better GM/QB situation than that. 

Edited 21 hours ago by JGMcD2

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

I think this is the most likely scenario for Joe Brady. He should hold out for a better situation and collect a nice check from us for 2025.

 

He's going to be known as the guy who finally tamed Josh Allen and put together a record setting offense with an unproven supporting cast. Run it back for year 2, where he'll likely have better weapons at his disposal to make even more noise. 

 

If the chips fall properly, he may even get to stay here and take over... not finding a better GM/QB situation than that. 

 

That is what I hope. It is what I'd advise him too. I think the jobs open this time are all rough for one reason or another.

[JGMcD2]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

That is what I hope. It is what I'd advise him too. I think the jobs open this time are all rough for one reason or another.

New England and Chicago are somewhat attractive because of Maye and Williams, but I agree with you, it'll be Vrabel and Johnson in those spots. I don't think either will seriously consider Brady. I wouldn't touch any of the other jobs with a 10-foot pole. 

 

Hell, even if he comes back here next year and McDermott doesn't go, Zac Taylor is a dead man walking in Cincy. Burrow and Chase would pound the table for Brady - it's a dream situation. 

[MikePJ76]

Joe Brady has been around Sean Payton.  Once upon a time Sean Payton was the Ben Johnson/Joe brady of his time.  Al Davis basically begged him to take the raiders job after the 04 season.  Parcells convinced him it was a losing proposition.  Payton returned to Dallas and Parcells named him assistant head coach and let him call plays in 2005.  He then got the Saints job after the season.

 

I imagine Brady is well aware of this.  A young offensive minded coach going to the jets/saints/raiders right now seems like a situation where in 3 years you will have to prove your abilities again as an offensive coordinator.   Those seem like places for veterans who understand the situation or defensive coaches where you can turn around a unit based on scheme alone really quick.  Offense is totally different and you will now be in charge of everything plus be expected to maintain your offensive excellence.

 

I feel pretty confident Brady is not going to want any of these current jobs sans new england.  I don't think he will be a finalist there though.

[White Linen]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills could increase that. They could do what the Lions did for Johnson. Pay Brady more.

 

For sure and I think we'd all be happy if they at least tried.  Alhough if he leaves, we'd likely never know if they did.  

 

Some really do want to try their hand in the captains chair, beyond the money.

[McBean]

Patriots- Vrabel

 

Jets- Aaron Glenn

 

Bears- Ben Johnson

 

Saints- Joe Brady

 

Jaguars- Liam Coen

 

Raiders- Kliff Kingsbury

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

For sure and I think we'd all be happy if they at least tried.  Alhough if he leaves, we'd likely never know if they did.  

 

Some really do want to try their hand in the captains chair, beyond the money.

 

I have no doubt at some point Brady will want that chance. I'd just hope we might get one more year out of him first. Especially, as I keep saying, with the market this year being even more full of bad jobs than usual.

[CNYfan]

Taking a job where there is no QB and no top draft choice (this year) doesn't seem like a wise career decision.   Would Brady do that?  

That being said, I am not sure NOLA would turn, but to a defensive minded head coach.    

 

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Okay, Black Monday was a damp squib but with Antonio Pierce's firing we are at technically seven openings right now. However, I am pretty sure McCarthy and Dallas are going to come to an agreement on an extension in the next week after the Cowboys refused him permission to interview with the Bears. It feels like there is a mutual interest in continuing that relationship so I am going to exclude them for now, which leaves us with six. The game is quite simple: predict who will end up as the Head Coach in each of the six spots:

 

New England Patriots - Mike Vrabel - I think this one is the easiest to peg. The Patriots have raced through their two Rooney Rule interviews (with Pep Hamilton and Byron Leftwich) and I feel like Mayo's firing was in part triggered by the thought of Vrabel taking the Jets job. Kraft has also shown he is willing to give out a large degree of personnel control to coaches and I think that is what Vrabel is looking for. 

New York Jets - Aaron Glenn - Which will leave the Jets looking at plan B. I suspect plan B is Aaron Glenn and if they can snag the Lions defensive coordinator I think they will. The Saints are in play for him too. 

Chicago Bears - Ben Johnson - Johnson has told the Jets they might as well not bother putting in an interview request and is leaning towards declining an interview with the Jaguars. That leaves the Bears and the Patriots as his two options. He could decide to return to Detroit again as OC. The Bears is a job with a decent roster, a young 1st overall pick at QB... but in the toughest division in football. 

New Orleans Saints - Joe Brady - Mickey Loomis will be the man making this hire and the speculation is the three real candidates are the three guys the 69 year old GM already knows and is comfortable with: Aaron Glenn, Joe Brady and interim coach Darren Rizzi. I suspect their preference would be in that order too. If Glenn doesn't go to the Jets he gets hired here. If he does then Joe Brady is the man in line. If he passes to stay with the Bills they will hire Rizzi and no doubt do the whole thing again in two years time. 

Jacksonville Jaguars - Liam Coen - The Jags are hard to pin my guess is they end up going with another offensive mind in a last ditch attempt to turn around the career of Trevor Lawrence. Coen's work with the Buccs offense has shot him into contention and unlike Johnson and Brady who might feel confident betting on themselves to be in contention again next year is they don't fancy jobs in this cycle, Coen feels a bit like a now or never guy.  

Las Vegas Raiders - Brian Flores - Tom Brady's influence here makes me feel like they are going to try and "Patriot Way" themselves out of the current mess. I'm sure they'd love to snag Vrabel but if he goes back to New England then maybe Belichick's former defensive coordinator who went 24-18 after starting 0-7 in his three seasons as the Dolphins Head Coach. 

 

 

There is my attempt. Fire away with yours. 

 

 

I mean I can't really fault any of these choices/predictions as they all make sense.  There are other candidates though, including some OG retreads I think that will be in play as well such as Rex, Gruden, and Carrol.  No guarantees any of them get hired, but I think at least one of them will and I think its Gruden.

 

Pats - Mike Vrabel - Agree with everything you said on Vrabel, I think he will be the guy in NE.

 

Jets - Rex Ryan - I am going to go with one of the wildcards here and go Rex.  Its such a Jetsy thing to do and honestly this is more me wanting to will it into fruition more than anything.  

 

Bears - Jon Gruden - I have been told he has already been discussed in-house and is legitimately in consideration there, and I do know for a fact that Gruden wants that job.  I am not 100% sure he will be back as a HC this year given he has his lawsuit still ongoing with the NFL, but I am certain if not this year than next.  But I do know there is legit interest in him from more than one team and I know Gruden for sure wants back in, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him land in Chicago and also drop/settle his suit.

 

Saints - Aaron Glenn - I think you had this right when you said if he doesn't go to the Jets he probably lands here. For what its worth, a friend of mine works in the marketing department for the Saints...and while she has no real insider knowledge, she did say she has heard Glenn's name a lot when I reached out to see what she was hearing about Joe Brady.

 

Jags - Pete Carrol - I agree about their focus being on salvaging Trevor and that contract...I can see Coen or any of the hot OC's being real strong candidates there, but I also think they may go at it different and go get a proven winning HC and make a big push to try and get someone like Pete Carrol.  There are some pieces in place there that I think will make this opening appealing for Carrol too.

 

Raiders - Brian Flores - I did not really have anyone in mind here for the Raiders as Vrabel would be an obvious choice, but I have felt like he was going to end up in NE after Mayo got fired.  But I have always felt Flores was a good HC who got a raw deal and deserves another shot.  So after you posted him and your reasons, it was hard to find any fault in it, so this is more of me agreeing with you than anything.  

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have no doubt at some point Brady will want that chance. I'd just hope we might get one more year out of him first. Especially, as I keep saying, with the market this year being even more full of bad jobs than usual.

 

Personally, I don't think Brady is going to leave this year.  If the Bills don't win the SB, especially if we lose in first 2 rounds again, everyone in the world knows that McD's seat has to be warm, if not hot.  I think Brady sticks it out another year here to wait for a more attractive opening with maybe a back of the mind thought that more attractive opening could potentially be here with Josh Allen if the Bills don't get to the big dance this playoffs or next.  

[Einstein]

If i’m a team with an open position, im not hiring Joe Brady.

 

1) The last OC that Allen made look amazing has a losing record with the Giants.

 

2) He was fired by Carolina just three years ago.

 

3) He has been a successful NFL offensive coordinator for less than 2 seasons.

[gonzo1105]

Patriots- Mike Vrabel

 

Just makes too much sense so probably won’t happen 

 

New Orleans Saints- Aaron Glenn

 

All early reports were that he was the guy they wanted. Was a former player there, was there DB coach before going to Detroit 

 

 

Jacksonville Jaguars- Liam Coen 

 

I was the first guy to bring up Coen on this board and I am surprised he hasn’t gotten more requests. Has been a QB coach, OC at multiple stops, basically comes from the McVay tree which is always the cherry on top for owners

 

Chicago Bears- Ben Johnson

 

I think Johnson has been waiting for the opportunity to go to a place with a franchise QB. Here he gets the opportunity to work with Caleb Williams and build something with them. Rumors are Poles doesn’t want him and prefers someone like Flores because Johnson might garner too much power. 
 

Las Vegas Raiders- Kliff Kingsbury

 

Raiders wanted him last year as offensive coordinator and wouldn’t be surprised if they take another swing at him this offseason to be their HC. Kinsbury is a West Coast guy and strikes me as the type who wouldn’t mind spending a couple years in Vegas

 

New York Jets- Steve Spagnuolo

 

I honestly have no clue but Spags is 65 he could be very content being a DC the rest of his career but most guys want that opportunity to run their own program particularly when they have failed once. He’ll see the talent on the defensive side of the ball that might excite him. The Jets will want an experienced splash name to get their fan base excited and Spags will do that as a championship DC. It’s clear by the interview process the Jets want someone with a great deal of experience 

[HappyDays]

Pats - Mike Vrabel, done deal.

 

Jets - Steve Spagnuolo. They reportedly requested to interview him today and it feels like a move Woody Johnson would make. Being in the NY market he saw firsthand what Spagnuolo did in 2007. And I can see Woody getting taken in by his "championship DNA". No one really wants the job anyways and they need a bridge head coach more than he needs a long term answer. I just can't bring myself to seriously predict Rex Ryan.

(Also I'll admit some wishful thinking on my part - I would love to see KC lose Spagnuolo)

 

Bears - Todd Monken. I feel like you have to make one out of left field prediction if you want to be realistic because there's always one every cycle. The Bears reportedly put in a request to interview Monken so I have some basis for this prediction. I think they will want to get an offensive head coach after the Eberflus experiment failed. I know Ben Johnson is the hot name here but I think he's going to sit this cycle out yet again... Chicago doesn't seem like a very attractive job because Caleb Williams was pretty bad this year and showed little to no growth over the course of the season, and they're in a brutal division. Monken feels like the perfect "no one else will really consider me so I'll take any of the 32 jobs I can get," and I could see Chicago's ownership convincing themselves Monken can get Caleb Williams headed in the right direction after what he's done in Baltimore.

 

Saints - Aaron Glenn. This is a tough one. I don't think Brady wants this job or else I'd predict him. The situation here is too messy. The Saints need what Buffalo needed when they hired McDermott - a leader of men who they'll be patient with and allow him to transform the culture. I think Glenn fits that bill given everything I've heard about him out of Detroit.

 

Jaguars - Liam Cohen. For the same logic @GunnerBill used, I have nothing to add. Again I almost want to say Joe Brady but the more I think about it the more I think he is one cycle away from getting a job. One more year coaching an elite offense led by Josh Allen and he'll have his pick of the litter.

 

Raiders - Brian Flores. Again with the same logic Gunner used. I can't find another candidate that makes sense.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by HappyDays

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Pats - Mike Vrabel, done deal.

 

Jets - Steve Spagnuolo. They reportedly requested to interview him today and it feels like a move Woody Johnson would make. Being in the NY market he saw firsthand what Spagnuolo did in 2007. And I can see Woody getting taken in by his "championship DNA". No one really wants the job anyways and they need a bridge head coach more than he needs a long term answer. I just can't bring myself to seriously predict Rex Ryan.

(Also I'll admit some wishful thinking on my part - I would love to see KC lose Spagnuolo)

 

Bears - Todd Monken. I feel like you have to make one out of left field prediction if you want to be realistic because there's always one every cycle. The Bears reportedly put in a request to interview Monken so I have some basis for this prediction. I think they will want to get an offensive head coach after the Eberflus experiment failed. I know Ben Johnson is the hot name here but I think he's going to sit this cycle out yet again... Chicago doesn't seem like a very attractive job because Caleb Williams was pretty bad this year and showed little to no growth over the course of the season, and they're in a brutal division. Monken feels like the perfect "no one else will really consider me so I'll take any of the 32 jobs I can get," and I could see Chicago's ownership convincing themselves Monken can get Caleb Williams headed in the right direction after what he's done in Baltimore.

 

Saints - Aaron Glenn. This is a tough one. I don't think Brady wants this job or else I'd predict him. The situation here is too messy. The Saints need what Buffalo needed when they hired McDermott - a leader of men who they'll be patient with and allow him to transform the culture. I think Glenn fits that bill given everything I've heard about him out of Detroit.

 

Jaguars - Liam Cohen. For the same logic @GunnerBill used, I have nothing to add. Again I almost want to say Joe Brady but the more I think about it the more I think he is one cycle away from getting a job. One more year coaching an elite offense led by Josh Allen and he'll have his pick of the litter.

 

Raiders - Brian Flores. Again with the same logic Gunner used. I can't find another candidate that makes sense.

 

The McCaskeys are gonna have a hard time selling the fanbase Todd Monken after the Trestman and Nagy debacles… that’s not a small market where owners have clout like Jacksonville.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The McCaskeys are gonna have a hard time selling the fanbase Todd Monken after the Trestman and Nagy debacles… that’s not a small market where owners have clout like Jacksonville.

 

They'll have a hard time selling any candidate other than Ben Johnson (or Vrabel if he wasn't already practically the Pats coach), and I just don't see that match happening at this point. They'd sell Monken as the coach that turned Lamar Jackson into a perennial MVP candidate supported by an elite run game. I could see Liam Coen as another option, sold to the fans as the coach that turned Mayfield's career around.