This is beautiful, but painful

[unbillievable]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

I often wonder what kind of stats Allen would put up with a receiving group like some of the stronger ones in the league (Bengals, Eagles, Rams, etc) in an offense that prioritizes the passing game.

Bills had a passing offense under Daboll. He also had Diggs, Brown, and Beasley.

 

Went 13-3. Lost AFC championship game.

[GASabresIUFan]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Beane still needs to address this in the offseason. I don't know if Cooper is truly that any longer.

That’s hard to know.  If had been here all season I might agree, but he really hasn’t had much time to learn the offense, develop chemistry with Josh and have Brady scheme for him.  His injuries haven’t help either. 
 

I interested in him coming back next season but on a limited deal to see what’s possible.  I also want us to draft someone with speed and good hands,

[muppy]

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

Emmanuel Acho's answer to why Josh Allen should be MVP.  It's a 15 yard completion on 2nd and 6

He then breaks down the tape, in which we see Knox slipping, Hollins being doubled and failing to uncover, Kincaid being slow to release, and Coleman not just being jammed but FLATTENED at the LOS.

 

It's painful to watch.  

 

And oh, yeah, Allen just casually evades a few rushers and buys some time until someone gets up and gets open (it's Ty Johnson).

 

 

I had no idea what I was going to see when I saw your thread title. But I opened it anyway 🙂 MVP award would be nice but he wants the Lombardi award more

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

that was painful to watch...

yeah, how can two guys in the route get jammed so badly that they fall down? That’s bad. 
 

edit: to be fair to Knox, that probably should have been illegal contact given where it was down the field.

Edited 23 hours ago by Miyagi-Do Karate

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

yeah, how can two guys in the route get jammed so badly that they fall down? That’s bad. 
 

edit: to be fair to Knox, that probably should have been illegal contact given where it was down the field.

 

I mean that guy's narration, his finger and the awful production values made the video painful to watch.

 

He needs a multimedia person to help him with this kind of stuff.

[Simon]

3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

This throw is even sicker when you look at the end zone view from behind Josh.  He had to thread the needle through a 1 foot square box.  Anywhere outside that box, the ball is batted down or picked.  Sick, sick throw.

 

I remember goggling at the replay they showed from that angle right after the play and wishing they would just halt the game and show it 100 more times in slow motion.

Just completely absurd and an amazing glimpse at how this dude is seeing the field right now.

[Chandler#81]

So you’re saying our WRs suck?😳

[T master]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Beane still needs to address this in the offseason. I don't know if Cooper is truly that any longer.

 

I agree that they need more young talent at WR but they let a 1000 yd WR go only to get better so is it imperative that you have 1 WR that gets all of those yards especially the way Josh is distributing the ball to all of the others ?

 

It definitely helped bringing in Coop to take some of the attention away from the other receivers but seeing as Josh has had 14 different players catch balls thrown to them is a 1000 receiver really necessary ? 

[US Egg]

Painful? 

[Comebackkid]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

Emmanuel Acho's answer to why Josh Allen should be MVP.  It's a 15 yard completion on 2nd and 6

He then breaks down the tape, in which we see Knox slipping, Hollins being doubled and failing to uncover, Kincaid being slow to release, and Coleman not just being jammed but FLATTENED at the LOS.

 

It's painful to watch.  

 

And oh, yeah, Allen just casually evades a few rushers and buys some time until someone gets up and gets open (it's Ty Johnson).

 

 

not a lot of thought went into that route concept

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I agree that they need more young talent at WR but they let a 1000 yd WR go only to get better so is it imperative that you have 1 WR that gets all of those yards especially the way Josh is distributing the ball to all of the others ?

 

It definitely helped bringing in Coop to take some of the attention away from the other receivers but seeing as Josh has had 14 different players catch balls thrown to them is a 1000 receiver really necessary ? 

I'm gonna say yes.  This year is way off the norm to be able to do what we have done.

[Low Positive]

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Ravens’ fans think because Cook technically got to 1,000 yards, it was some sort of “gotcha” moment with Orlovsky.  Whether Cook is at 981 or just past 1,000, Orlovsky’s point is pretty much the same though.  We don’t have a 1,900 yard HOF rusher like Derrick Henry.  And Cook only got to 1,000

because we forced it in Week 18 when Josh wasn’t even playing.

Ravens fans entire identity seems to be tied to Lamar being the MVP. They want that more than a Superbowl. 

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Ravens fans entire identity seems to be tied to Lamar being the MVP. They want that more than a Superbowl. 

That's because they know they're not winning it

[ddaryl]

5 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

For us not to have a 1000 yrd receiver is pretty wild. Josh makes it look good but WR is still a need on this team. 

 

 

We will not be drafting a WR in round 1 in 2025. I also do not forsee us spending big money on a top WR in FA. If we draft a WR it will after rd 1, and even then I think this team has other needs like DT DE LB S. If we sign a WR in FA they will be mid tiered, kind of like what we are running now. 

Cooper will most likely receive an offer and he will eat up money we have to put towards a WR. He will also get a full training camp to further gel with the team Keon will be in his 2nd year and I expect improvement. Shakir is awesome and will continue to be, and he too will need a contract in 2026. 

Just do not see the need, especially when its been the Defensive play that has been our Achilles heal

[Wagon Circler]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Beane still needs to address this in the offseason. I don't know if Cooper is truly that any longer.

If we draftewd 6-7 defensive players, it wouldn't bother me. 

[Dan]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Beane still needs to address this in the offseason. I don't know if Cooper is truly that any longer.

I'm not sure I agree with that.  The Bills had one of the best offenses in the history of the league.  Period.  They don't need to add much to it.  Maybe retain players.  Yes.    But, more importantly, in my mind… retain the services of Joe Brady.   It would be really nice to not replace our OC yet again!    
 

Edited 21 hours ago by Dan

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I agree and I honestly don't think well ever know.  I'm not going to say that they never try to get guys, but I don't think it's a premium concern of theirs as I do think they rely on Josh doing Josh things and lifting up players. I also think we're too good to ever be in a position to grab a top WR. 

 

You know, if you look at the top WR in the league, they came from all places.  

2017: Cooper Kupp 3rd round Pick 69
          Chris Godwin 3rd round Pick 84

          (Bills drafted Zay Jones, 2nd round, pick 37)

2018: Calvin Ridley 1st round Pick 26

          Courtland Sutton 2nd round Pick 40

          Christian Kirk 2nd round Pick 47
2019  Deebo Samuel 2nd round Pick 36

          AJ Brown 2nd round Pick 51
          DK Metcalf 2nd round Pick 64
2020  Justin Jefferson 1st round Pick 22 (Bills original pick!)

           Brandon Aiyuk 1st round Pick 25

           Tee Higgins 2nd round Pick 33

           Michael Pittman Jr 2nd round Pick 34

2021   Amon Ra St Brown 4th round Pick 112
 

Yes, the best players with the highest probability to succeed are found at the top of the 1st, but that simply means the GM has to be prepared to take more "shots on goal" in the later rounds and not keep WR who are not developing on the roster forever because they're great guys and the QB likes them.

 

I think the only time I've been truly disgusted with Beane was in his off-season presser in 2022, after the Bengals loss, when he was asked something about adding a top receiver talent like Ja'Mar Chase and he said something to the effect "we would run to the podium, but we don't want to suck badly enough to have the opportunity to draft him."

 

I literally cussed at the video and threw something, because it was SO disingenuous - as though the only way to acquire a top WR is to draft at the top of the 1st.  There is so much room between that, and only investing a 6th, 7th, 4th, and 5th at WR in 6 years of having Josh Allen under center - and then in the 7th, using a high 2nd on one of Beane's typical "high ceiling low floor, will take 3 years to develop IF they develop" guys.

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

18 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Did they have any kind of gotcha for the team with 9 pro bowlers having a worse record than the team with 2?  lol not that the cook gotcha is even valid like you said.  I think other voters would have trouble trying to think of a comeback for that and orlovsky putting that on film probably helped Josh’s case a good amount.  Looks like the odds have been swinging more heavily Josh’s way in most sportsbooks even though the season has been over 

Oh, the Ravens’ fans all the sudden claim all these Bills such as Cook got snubbed for the Pro Bowl and the Bills have just as talented a roster. I agree Cook got snubbed, but funny how all the sudden we should have a bunch of other unnamed Pro Bowlers when Lamar’s MVP candidacy is at stake.

[turbo044]

5 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Ravens’ fans think because Cook technically got to 1,000 yards, it was some sort of “gotcha” moment with Orlovsky.  Whether Cook is at 981 or just past 1,000, Orlovsky’s point is pretty much the same though.  We don’t have a 1,900 yard HOF rusher like Derrick Henry.  And Cook only got to 1,000

because we forced it in Week 18 when Josh wasn’t even playing.

Not sure how many "minutes" Jackson played vs Josh, but, Baltimore was up 35-2, and Jackson was still in the game with 7 minutes left.  Josh sat out the entire NE game, barely passed in the 2nd half of the JAX game and the 1st Miami game, and left very early vs Tennessee, Seattle and NYJ (game 2).  SF was played in a snowstorm.  By my calculations he played the equivalent of just over 14 games. A lot of stats could have been "padded" for Josh in those 3 games.  Nothing against Lamar, he had an amazing season, but the 2 QB highlights of the year are the KC run by Josh and the QB receiving TD vs SF by Josh.  He would have a 3rd too on the shotput TD throw if not for a phantom holding call called it back.

[Goin Breakdown]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You know, if you look at the top WR in the league, they came from all places.  

2017: Cooper Kupp 3rd round Pick 69
          Chris Godwin 3rd round Pick 84

          (Bills drafted Zay Jones, 2nd round, pick 37)

2018: Calvin Ridley 1st round Pick 26

          Courtland Sutton 2nd round Pick 40

          Christian Kirk 2nd round Pick 47
2019  Deebo Samuel 2nd round Pick 36

          AJ Brown 2nd round Pick 51
          DK Metcalf 2nd round Pick 64
2020  Justin Jefferson 1st round Pick 22 (Bills original pick!)

           Brandon Aiyuk 1st round Pick 25

           Tee Higgins 2nd round Pick 33

           Michael Pittman Jr 2nd round Pick 34

2021   Amon Ra St Brown 4th round Pick 112
 

Yes, the best players with the highest probability to succeed are found at the top of the 1st, but that simply means the GM has to be prepared to take more "shots on goal" in the later rounds and not keep WR who are not developing on the roster forever because they're great guys and the QB likes them.

 

I think the only time I've been truly disgusted with Beane was in his off-season presser in 2022, after the Bengals loss, when he was asked something about adding a top receiver talent like Ja'Mar Chase and he said something to the effect "we would run to the podium, but we don't want to suck badly enough to have the opportunity to draft him."

 

I literally cussed at the video and threw something, because it was SO disingenuous - as though the only way to acquire a top WR is to draft at the top of the 1st.  There is so much room between that, and only investing a 6th, 7th, 4th, and 5th at WR in 6 years of having Josh Allen under center - and then in the 7th, using a high 2nd on one of Beane's typical "high ceiling low floor, will take 3 years to develop IF they develop" guys.

 

Fully agree here. I remember Beanes comment. It's such a crap shoot. I think the higher projected WRs are "supposed to be better" but that's not always the case and everyone else is kind of luck of the draw, being in the right system, having good coaching that develop and so on. It's really hard to tell. Your list tells the story. My main point is this. Don't expect that Beans is just going to go out and throw money at every WR available. Will he check in? Yep but he's not going to panic. I would love to see Josh with another Diggs or better to compliment Shakir. Not sure if Coleman is that guy but I'm holding into hope he can be at least a solid 2 behind someone and Shakir in the slot.