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17 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

I'm sure he and Maga are experts on the subject. 

 

He may not be a expert but i've driven all over the state of California and every where you go in the farm country there were huge signs of how the Cali gov't wouldn't allow water to the farms because of a very very small guppy like fish that was on the endangered species list and they called the farm land the dust bowl .

 

When you talk about what ever you want to call it far left politics, or just ignorant, no common sense politics California leads the way in whacked out political thinking, anyone that raises gas prices due to taxes to the point of being almost $7.00 a gallon but then sends each person that owns a car a check for $1400.00 to off set the cost instead of just getting rid of some of the taxes and then putting that money they are giving away on the state deficit isn't playing with a full deck !

 

SORRY ...

 

So even though he may not be a expert he's got some valid points because i've seen it with my own 2 eyes and paid for it out of my own pocket .

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3 hours ago, 4th&long said:

I'm sure it's as simple simple as that. 

I think you are trying to say that you don't believe culling the forest won't stop 90% of these fires, which means you are proud to be ignorant. 

1 hour ago, 4th&long said:

I'm sure he and Maga are experts on the subject. 

Why do you think Cali gets these fires every year and no one else does except once every couple of decades?

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6 hours ago, K D said:

It's a joke over here. We can't stop laughing about it. Hopefully Canada will be in better hands with a conservative PM otherwise it's not off the table for us to occupy it to keep it from going full Communist. It's not serious...yet.

 

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When you learn how to read, study communism vs socialism, vs fascism. If you can comprehend the words, then come back and we can debate.

Until then, go boil the possum for dinner.

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1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I think you are trying to say that you don't believe culling the forest won't stop 90% of these fires, which means you are proud to be ignorant. 

Why do you think Cali gets these fires every year and no one else does except once every couple of decades?

It would appear to me that you're the one with little knowledge, who's actually throwing random numbers around.  Could you expand on your forest fire prevention background, and cite some of the sources you base your information on(not the Fox sound bites they want you to repeat)?  Is it possible California faces conditions other states do not?  Here are some things I've found that California, specifically, is doing to reduce them:  

 

Governor Newsom has dramatically ramped up state work to increase willdland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

Other steps the state has taken to protect Californians from wildfires include:

Investing in wildfire resilience. The Governor’s Budget reflects a total of $4 billion which maintains $2.5 billion in prior investments and commits another $1.5 billion over the next several years. In addition, the state is investing $200 million annually through 2028-29 for healthy forest and fire prevention programs, including prescribed fire and other fuel reduction projects.

Tracking wildfire prevention. California recently unveiled newly updated, first-of-their-kind dashboards that will help Californians track the state’s wildfire prevention work.

More boots on the ground than ever before. The administration is implementing shorter workweeks for state firefighters to prioritize firefighter wellbeing, while adding 2,000 additional state firefighters to CAL FIRE’s ranks over the next five years.

Expanding the world’s largest aerial firefighting fleet. Governor Newsom has overseen the expansion of California’s aerial firefighting fleet, including the addition of more than 16 helicopters with several equipped for night operations, expanded five helitack bases, and assumed ownership of seven C-130 air tankers, making it the largest fleet of its kind globally. The state also adds to its world-leading air attack capacity through recent new funding to contract 24 additional non-state owned firefighting aircraft.

Cutting-edge drone technology. CAL FIRE has doubled its use of drones for critical tasks like aerial ignition during prescribed burns, wildfire containment, and real-time assessments.

Artificial intelligence and real-time data tools. The state is leveraging AI-powered tools to spot fires quicker and the Fire Integrated Real-Time Intelligence System (FIRIS) to provide real-time mapping of wildfires.

Advanced mapping and satellite technology. California has partnered with the U.S. Department of Defense to use satellites for wildfire detection and invested in LiDAR technology to create detailed 3D maps of high-risk areas, helping firefighters better understand and navigate complex terrains.

Greater capabilities for incident reporting. CAL FIRE has expanded its capabilities for incident reporting at fire.ca.gov, updating the incident map with near real time information about firefighting aircraft activity, 3-D maps with evacuation orders, local shelter information, road closures, and more.

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4 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It would appear to me that you're the one with little knowledge, who's actually throwing random numbers around.  Could you expand on your forest fire prevention background, and cite some of the sources you base your information on(not the Fox sound bites they want you to repeat)?  Is it possible California faces conditions other states do not?  Here are some things I've found that California, specifically, is doing to reduce them:  

 

Governor Newsom has dramatically ramped up state work to increase willdland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

Other steps the state has taken to protect Californians from wildfires include:

Investing in wildfire resilience. The Governor’s Budget reflects a total of $4 billion which maintains $2.5 billion in prior investments and commits another $1.5 billion over the next several years. In addition, the state is investing $200 million annually through 2028-29 for healthy forest and fire prevention programs, including prescribed fire and other fuel reduction projects.

Tracking wildfire prevention. California recently unveiled newly updated, first-of-their-kind dashboards that will help Californians track the state’s wildfire prevention work.

More boots on the ground than ever before. The administration is implementing shorter workweeks for state firefighters to prioritize firefighter wellbeing, while adding 2,000 additional state firefighters to CAL FIRE’s ranks over the next five years.

Expanding the world’s largest aerial firefighting fleet. Governor Newsom has overseen the expansion of California’s aerial firefighting fleet, including the addition of more than 16 helicopters with several equipped for night operations, expanded five helitack bases, and assumed ownership of seven C-130 air tankers, making it the largest fleet of its kind globally. The state also adds to its world-leading air attack capacity through recent new funding to contract 24 additional non-state owned firefighting aircraft.

Cutting-edge drone technology. CAL FIRE has doubled its use of drones for critical tasks like aerial ignition during prescribed burns, wildfire containment, and real-time assessments.

Artificial intelligence and real-time data tools. The state is leveraging AI-powered tools to spot fires quicker and the Fire Integrated Real-Time Intelligence System (FIRIS) to provide real-time mapping of wildfires.

Advanced mapping and satellite technology. California has partnered with the U.S. Department of Defense to use satellites for wildfire detection and invested in LiDAR technology to create detailed 3D maps of high-risk areas, helping firefighters better understand and navigate complex terrains.

Greater capabilities for incident reporting. CAL FIRE has expanded its capabilities for incident reporting at fire.ca.gov, updating the incident map with near real time information about firefighting aircraft activity, 3-D maps with evacuation orders, local shelter information, road closures, and more.

I have no background in forest fire prevention, but it seems as though Team Newsome has a handle on it for sure.  

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11 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It would appear to me that you're the one with little knowledge, who's actually throwing random numbers around.  Could you expand on your forest fire prevention background, and cite some of the sources you base your information on(not the Fox sound bites they want you to repeat)?  Is it possible California faces conditions other states do not?  Here are some things I've found that California, specifically, is doing to reduce them:  

 

Governor Newsom has dramatically ramped up state work to increase willdland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

Other steps the state has taken to protect Californians from wildfires include:

Investing in wildfire resilience. The Governor’s Budget reflects a total of $4 billion which maintains $2.5 billion in prior investments and commits another $1.5 billion over the next several years. In addition, the state is investing $200 million annually through 2028-29 for healthy forest and fire prevention programs, including prescribed fire and other fuel reduction projects.

Tracking wildfire prevention. California recently unveiled newly updated, first-of-their-kind dashboards that will help Californians track the state’s wildfire prevention work.

More boots on the ground than ever before. The administration is implementing shorter workweeks for state firefighters to prioritize firefighter wellbeing, while adding 2,000 additional state firefighters to CAL FIRE’s ranks over the next five years.

Expanding the world’s largest aerial firefighting fleet. Governor Newsom has overseen the expansion of California’s aerial firefighting fleet, including the addition of more than 16 helicopters with several equipped for night operations, expanded five helitack bases, and assumed ownership of seven C-130 air tankers, making it the largest fleet of its kind globally. The state also adds to its world-leading air attack capacity through recent new funding to contract 24 additional non-state owned firefighting aircraft.

Cutting-edge drone technology. CAL FIRE has doubled its use of drones for critical tasks like aerial ignition during prescribed burns, wildfire containment, and real-time assessments.

Artificial intelligence and real-time data tools. The state is leveraging AI-powered tools to spot fires quicker and the Fire Integrated Real-Time Intelligence System (FIRIS) to provide real-time mapping of wildfires.

Advanced mapping and satellite technology. California has partnered with the U.S. Department of Defense to use satellites for wildfire detection and invested in LiDAR technology to create detailed 3D maps of high-risk areas, helping firefighters better understand and navigate complex terrains.

Greater capabilities for incident reporting. CAL FIRE has expanded its capabilities for incident reporting at fire.ca.gov, updating the incident map with near real time information about firefighting aircraft activity, 3-D maps with evacuation orders, local shelter information, road closures, and more.

I find it entertaining that you chide someone about Fox News (a tired and childish ploy) and then state “here are some things I found” which are actually just cut and pasted from Gavin Newsome’s .gov website. Why not just link to it? That you proceed to swallow the gov.ca.gov propaganda whole is another interesting situation. Very impressive research you’ve done. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻

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1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I have no background in forest fire prevention, but it seems as though Team Newsome has a handle on it for sure.  

Mike Johnson just penned a CR with over a hundred thirty thousand dollars of "aid" to farmers and FEMA.  If farmers are broke, yet people can't afford groceries, then the problem is MUCH MUCH larger than throwing billions in subsidies to big AG is going to fix.  FEMA is historically bad, and it's really just socialism, with the money going to "rebuild" the areas likely going to campaign donors and contractors, that congress members are heavily invested in.  Really not much different than destroying Iraq and rebuilding it(money laundering).  I'm not a conspiracy guy, but it seems disasters have become big business in America.  Tracking where the funds are going, and who donated what to who's campaign seems like a no-brainer to me. 

8 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said:

I find it entertaining that you chide someone about Fox News (a tired and childish ploy) and then state “here are some things I found” which are actually just cut and pasted from Gavin Newsome’s .gov website. Why not just link to it? That you proceed to swallow the gov.ca.gov propaganda whole is another interesting situation. Very impressive research you’ve done. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻

Fox is opinion, and they don't hide that fact.  The facts I supplied are verifiable, and can be tracked by "gubernment sites" that are mandatory for reporting the spending on these items.  If you'd like to provide actual EVIDENCE that anyone "swallowed propaganda", then I'm all ears, but just calling it propaganda, because you don't want to believe it, is unacceptable. 

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2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Mike Johnson just penned a CR with over a hundred thirty thousand dollars of "aid" to farmers and FEMA.  If farmers are broke, yet people can't afford groceries, then the problem is MUCH MUCH larger than throwing billions in subsidies to big AG is going to fix.  FEMA is historically bad, and it's really just socialism, with the money going to "rebuild" the areas likely going to campaign donors and contractors, that congress members are heavily invested in.  Really not much different than destroying Iraq and rebuilding it(money laundering).  I'm not a conspiracy guy, but it seems disasters have become big business in America.  Tracking where the funds are going, and who donated what to who's campaign seems like a no-brainer to me. 

I have no background in fire prevention,  nor do I have background in farming. 
 

Disasters move money massively for sure.  I’d support following the money there. 

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3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

  nor do I have background in farming. 
 

 

You have to admit that there MUST be an underlying problem with the conundrum that is broke farmers, and consumers that can't afford their products, right?  Shouldn't the farmers just raise their prices until they make a profit?  Isn't that how business is supposed to work?  Big AG has done a great job putting themselves into the 'too big to fail' government socialism program, which is astounding, because people WILL spend their money on food before any other good.  

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8 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Mike Johnson just penned a CR with over a hundred thirty thousand dollars of "aid" to farmers and FEMA.  If farmers are broke, yet people can't afford groceries, then the problem is MUCH MUCH larger than throwing billions in subsidies to big AG is going to fix.  FEMA is historically bad, and it's really just socialism, with the money going to "rebuild" the areas likely going to campaign donors and contractors, that congress members are heavily invested in.  Really not much different than destroying Iraq and rebuilding it(money laundering).  I'm not a conspiracy guy, but it seems disasters have become big business in America.  Tracking where the funds are going, and who donated what to who's campaign seems like a no-brainer to me. 

Fox is opinion, and they don't hide that fact.  The facts I supplied are verifiable, and can be tracked by "gubernment sites" that are mandatory for reporting the spending on these items.  If you'd like to provide actual EVIDENCE that anyone "swallowed propaganda", then I'm all ears, but just calling it propaganda, because you don't want to believe it, is unacceptable. 

You didn’t supply any facts. All you did was cut and paste directly from Newsome’s .gov website. If you want to believe everything put forth therein, have at it. Do you do the same for Abbott and DeSantis? The fact that you are doing so as a manner of defending what California has done to prevent fires in the middle of a historic disaster is an interesting choice to make. 

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Just now, Biden is Mentally Fit said:

You didn’t supply any facts. All you did was cut and paste directly from Newsome’s .gov website. If you want to believe everything put forth therein, have at it. Do you do the same for Abbott and DeSantis? The fact that you are doing so as a manner of defending what California has done to prevent fires in the middle of a historic disaster is an interesting choice to make. 

What I posted can be verified by looking at the budget.  The money was spent on these things.  They're actual, verifiable things.  You're trying to tell me that even though I can show you what I got and the receipts for it, I'm still lying.  Now you're trying to flip it to me "defending" California, when all I was doing was proving you had no clue what you were talking about.  I've given you confirmable facts, and you're STILL here squirming.  Just take the loss, and admit you know little to nothing about the situation, except that you ARE trying to undermine California.  I don't live there, and I don't support socialism for millionaires, so I have no 'dog in the fight'.  

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4 minutes ago, daz28 said:

You're trying to tell me that even though I can show you what I got and the receipts for it, I'm still lying.

Nobody suggests you are lying. You are merely buying everything Newsome is selling on his .gov website. Who can argue with that? In the meantime, California burns. 
 

Why did you try to pawn it off as “here are some things I found” rather than be honest and say “here’s what Newsome says”?

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35 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It would appear to me that you're the one with little knowledge, who's actually throwing random numbers around.  Could you expand on your forest fire prevention background, and cite some of the sources you base your information on(not the Fox sound bites they want you to repeat)?  Is it possible California faces conditions other states do not?  Here are some things I've found that California, specifically, is doing to reduce them:  

 

Governor Newsom has dramatically ramped up state work to increase willdland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

Other steps the state has taken to protect Californians from wildfires include:

Investing in wildfire resilience. The Governor’s Budget reflects a total of $4 billion which maintains $2.5 billion in prior investments and commits another $1.5 billion over the next several years. In addition, the state is investing $200 million annually through 2028-29 for healthy forest and fire prevention programs, including prescribed fire and other fuel reduction projects.

Tracking wildfire prevention. California recently unveiled newly updated, first-of-their-kind dashboards that will help Californians track the state’s wildfire prevention work.

More boots on the ground than ever before. The administration is implementing shorter workweeks for state firefighters to prioritize firefighter wellbeing, while adding 2,000 additional state firefighters to CAL FIRE’s ranks over the next five years.

Expanding the world’s largest aerial firefighting fleet. Governor Newsom has overseen the expansion of California’s aerial firefighting fleet, including the addition of more than 16 helicopters with several equipped for night operations, expanded five helitack bases, and assumed ownership of seven C-130 air tankers, making it the largest fleet of its kind globally. The state also adds to its world-leading air attack capacity through recent new funding to contract 24 additional non-state owned firefighting aircraft.

Cutting-edge drone technology. CAL FIRE has doubled its use of drones for critical tasks like aerial ignition during prescribed burns, wildfire containment, and real-time assessments.

Artificial intelligence and real-time data tools. The state is leveraging AI-powered tools to spot fires quicker and the Fire Integrated Real-Time Intelligence System (FIRIS) to provide real-time mapping of wildfires.

Advanced mapping and satellite technology. California has partnered with the U.S. Department of Defense to use satellites for wildfire detection and invested in LiDAR technology to create detailed 3D maps of high-risk areas, helping firefighters better understand and navigate complex terrains.

Greater capabilities for incident reporting. CAL FIRE has expanded its capabilities for incident reporting at fire.ca.gov, updating the incident map with near real time information about firefighting aircraft activity, 3-D maps with evacuation orders, local shelter information, road closures, and more.

Did you really just copy and paste the governors press release and then challenge my knowledge? I used to travel the country working Catastrophes for one of the largest insurance companies. I have seen the reports from FL in the late 90s and what they recommended FL do to stop the fires, FL did most of it and put fires mainly stopped. I know they have sent similar reports to CA but they are not followed, which is why it is so difficult to get a new policy in California. But please try another "gotcha" with a press release.  You can educate me on something though what does California mean by "wildfire resilience"? 

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21 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said:

Nobody suggests you are lying. You are merely buying everything Newsome is selling on his .gov website. Who can argue with that? In the meantime, California burns. 
 

Why did you try to pawn it off as “here are some things I found” rather than be honest and say “here’s what Newsome says”?

Because what "he said" can be accounted for in the California budget spending. There's literally receipts.  Why do I have to repeat myself? 

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1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Because what "he said" can be accounted for in the California budget spending. There's literally receipts.  Why do I have to repeat myself? 

I’m just wondering why you wanted to pretend you researched something when all you did was cut and paste from Newsome’s official website. Seems like you won’t give a straight answer to that very simple question. Weird. 

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22 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Did you really just copy and paste the governors press release and then challenge my knowledge? I used to travel the country working Catastrophes for one of the largest insurance companies. I have seen the reports from FL in the late 90s and what they recommended FL do to stop the fires, FL did most of it and put fires mainly stopped. I know they have sent similar reports to CA but they are not followed, which is why it is so difficult to get a new policy in California. But please try another "gotcha" with a press release.  You can educate me on something though what does California mean by "wildfire resilience"? 

I provided measures California has taken, which are verifiable.  You claimed they were negligent, and only had forest fires, because of that.  I was hoping you'd provide evidence of the culling done in other states, which makes California so negligent.  Apparently, resilience is removal of vegetation, but I'm no expert and am not claiming to be.  

4 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said:

I’m just wondering why you wanted to pretend you researched something when all you did was cut and paste from Newsome’s official website. Seems like you won’t give a straight answer to that very simple question. Weird. 

Define research?  I had assumed it was looking up facts.  Again, it doesn't matter where it's from or who said it if it's a verifiable fact.  Personally, I'm not happy they spent all that money on protecting homes built in suspect areas, but I'm not a Cali resident, so not my money.  

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