Orlando Buffalo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 hours ago, 4th&long said: You are so off, this is so wrong, so stupid it should not be devastating but ignored! LA is not out of water, they have plenty of water in storage. The hydrants ran dry because of infrastructure and Geography. There would not be warnings on cooking and drinking water to the rest of the area if they didn't have water!!!!!!!!!! *****en troll farm. I'm sure 0 8 has a bearing on 2025. Sit down and shut up. Wow, your need to defend idiocy is quite amusing. I can't tell if you are actually a liberal or a Conservative pretending to be the most unhinged version of liberal. California has had fire issues for years, since at least 2008, and has not done enough to fix it. FL in 1998 had horrible fires, we simply did what we must to prevent as many as possible. 1998 FL and 2008 California were similar, but now they are different.
The Frankish Reich Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, Orlando Buffalo said: California has had fire issues for years, since at least 2008 Again, just plain ignorance. Since 1988? Here's a list of the major Malibu area wildfires since 1929 October 26, 1929 – Malibu Colony, 13 homes burned.[62] 1930 – "Potrero," Decker Canyon Road Corridor, 15,000 acres (61 km2), accidental blaze caused by walnut pickers in Thousand Oaks area.[62] October 23, 1935 – "Malibu" or "Latigo/Sherwood," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 30,000 acres (120 km2).[62] November 23, 1938 – "Topanga," Topanga Canyon, 14,500 acres (59 km2).[62] October 20, 1943 – "Las Flores," Malibu Canyon, 5,800 acres (23 km2).[62] November 6, 1943 – "Woodland Hills (Las Virgenes)," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 15,000 acres (61 km2).[62] December 26, 1956 – "Newton," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 26,000 acres (110 km2), 100 homes, one death, Frank Dickover.[62] December 2, 1958 – "Liberty," Malibu Canyon, 18,000 acres (73 km2), eight firefighters injured, 74 homes destroyed (17 in Corral Canyon).[62] November 6, 1961 – "Topanga," Topanga Canyon, 8,000 acres (32 km2).[62] September 25, 1970 – "Wright," Malibu Canyon, 28,000 acres (110 km2), 10 deaths, 403 homes destroyed.[63] October 30, 1973 – "Topanga," Topanga Canyon, 2,800 acres (11 km2).[62] October 23, 1978 – "Kanan," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 25,000 acres (100 km2), 2 deaths, 230 homes.[63] October 9, 1982 – "Dayton," Malibu Canyon Corridor, 44,000 acres (180 km2), 15 homes in Paradise Cove destroyed.[64] October 14, 1985 – "Piuma," Las Flores area, Topanga Canyon, 4,700 acres (19 km2).[62] October 14, 1985 – "Decker," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 6,600 acres (27 km2). Both arson-caused; six homes destroyed; $1 million damage.[62] November 2, 1993 – "Old Topanga/North Malibu." One of the largest fires in Malibu history, which burned more than 16,516 acres (67 km2) from November 2 to 11.[65] The 1993 firestorm was composed of two separate fires, one ravaging most of central Malibu/Old Topanga, and another, larger fire affecting areas north of Encinal Canyon. Three people died and 739 homes destroyed in the central Malibu/Old Topanga blaze. 18,949 acres (77 km2) were torched in the north Malibu fire, with no deaths and few homes destroyed in the less densely-populated region. Los Angeles County Fire Department officials announced suspicions that the fire was started by arson.[66] The fire and widespread damage to properties and infrastructure resulted in the City of Malibu adopting the strictest fire codes in the country.[67] October 21, 1996 – "Calabasas," Malibu Canyon Corridor, Brush fire ignited by arcing power line, 13,000 acres (53 km2). January 6, 2003 – "Trancas", Trancas Canyon, 759 acres (3.07 km2).[68] January 8, 2007 – At approximately 5:00 pm a fire started in the vicinity of Bluffs Park, south of Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu. The fire hit near the Colony area, burning down four houses on Malibu Road, including the oceanfront home of Step By Step star Suzanne Somers. Los Angeles County Fire Department officials announced that a discarded cigarette stub started the blaze. October 21, 2007 – At approximately 5:00 am a fire started off of Malibu Canyon Road. As of 1:00 pm there were 500+ personnel on scene. 1,200 acres (4.9 km2) burned with no containment. 200+ homes were evacuated. Five homes were confirmed to have been destroyed, with at least nine others damaged. Two commercial structures were completely destroyed. Castle Kashan and the Malibu Presbyterian Church were both destroyed. November 24, 2007 – The "Corral Fire" destroyed 53 homes, damaged 35, and burned over 4,720 acres (19.1 km2), forcing as many as 14,000 people to evacuate. Damages from the fire were expected to reach more than $100 million. The blaze originated at the top of Corral Canyon, where a group of young people who were in closed parkland after dusk had started a bonfire despite the presence of high Santa Ana winds. The individuals responsible for starting the fire were later identified, and are the subject of ongoing civil and criminal litigation.[69][70] November 8, 2018 – The Woolsey Fire, a wildfire that burned from November 8–21 that burned 96,949 acres (392 km2) and destroyed 1,500 structures and left 341 buildings damaged. The fire also resulted in 3 firefighter injuries and 3 civilian fatalities. In 2020, authorities blamed faulty Southern California Edison equipment for the blaze.[71][72][73] December 9, 2024 - The "Franklin Fire" began shortly before 11:00 pm on December 9 near Malibu Canyon Road. The fire spread quickly under strong Santa Ana winds, burning a total of 4,037 acres (16.3 km2) over the next few days. The fire prompted mandatory evacuations for much of Malibu and destroyed a total of 19 structures 1
4th&long Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Wow, your need to defend idiocy is quite amusing. I can't tell if you are actually a liberal or a Conservative pretending to be the most unhinged version of liberal. California has had fire issues for years, since at least 2008, and has not done enough to fix it. FL in 1998 had horrible fires, we simply did what we must to prevent as many as possible. 1998 FL and 2008 California were similar, but now they are different. If I'm not mistaken you are a teacher now? It is because of dimwits like you that we choose to home school our kids. You do not live in the desert first of all. And where did you get that they ran out of water? Because it didn't come out of the hydrants does not mean they had no water. You need to get away from your right wing propaganda bull####. I hope I'm wrong about you being a teacher, no wonder this country is in so much trouble! 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Again, just plain ignorance. Since 1988? Here's a list of the major Malibu area wildfires since 1929 October 26, 1929 – Malibu Colony, 13 homes burned.[62] 1930 – "Potrero," Decker Canyon Road Corridor, 15,000 acres (61 km2), accidental blaze caused by walnut pickers in Thousand Oaks area.[62] October 23, 1935 – "Malibu" or "Latigo/Sherwood," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 30,000 acres (120 km2).[62] November 23, 1938 – "Topanga," Topanga Canyon, 14,500 acres (59 km2).[62] October 20, 1943 – "Las Flores," Malibu Canyon, 5,800 acres (23 km2).[62] November 6, 1943 – "Woodland Hills (Las Virgenes)," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 15,000 acres (61 km2).[62] December 26, 1956 – "Newton," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 26,000 acres (110 km2), 100 homes, one death, Frank Dickover.[62] December 2, 1958 – "Liberty," Malibu Canyon, 18,000 acres (73 km2), eight firefighters injured, 74 homes destroyed (17 in Corral Canyon).[62] November 6, 1961 – "Topanga," Topanga Canyon, 8,000 acres (32 km2).[62] September 25, 1970 – "Wright," Malibu Canyon, 28,000 acres (110 km2), 10 deaths, 403 homes destroyed.[63] October 30, 1973 – "Topanga," Topanga Canyon, 2,800 acres (11 km2).[62] October 23, 1978 – "Kanan," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 25,000 acres (100 km2), 2 deaths, 230 homes.[63] October 9, 1982 – "Dayton," Malibu Canyon Corridor, 44,000 acres (180 km2), 15 homes in Paradise Cove destroyed.[64] October 14, 1985 – "Piuma," Las Flores area, Topanga Canyon, 4,700 acres (19 km2).[62] October 14, 1985 – "Decker," Kanan/Decker Corridor, 6,600 acres (27 km2). Both arson-caused; six homes destroyed; $1 million damage.[62] November 2, 1993 – "Old Topanga/North Malibu." One of the largest fires in Malibu history, which burned more than 16,516 acres (67 km2) from November 2 to 11.[65] The 1993 firestorm was composed of two separate fires, one ravaging most of central Malibu/Old Topanga, and another, larger fire affecting areas north of Encinal Canyon. Three people died and 739 homes destroyed in the central Malibu/Old Topanga blaze. 18,949 acres (77 km2) were torched in the north Malibu fire, with no deaths and few homes destroyed in the less densely-populated region. Los Angeles County Fire Department officials announced suspicions that the fire was started by arson.[66] The fire and widespread damage to properties and infrastructure resulted in the City of Malibu adopting the strictest fire codes in the country.[67] October 21, 1996 – "Calabasas," Malibu Canyon Corridor, Brush fire ignited by arcing power line, 13,000 acres (53 km2). January 6, 2003 – "Trancas", Trancas Canyon, 759 acres (3.07 km2).[68] January 8, 2007 – At approximately 5:00 pm a fire started in the vicinity of Bluffs Park, south of Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu. The fire hit near the Colony area, burning down four houses on Malibu Road, including the oceanfront home of Step By Step star Suzanne Somers. Los Angeles County Fire Department officials announced that a discarded cigarette stub started the blaze. October 21, 2007 – At approximately 5:00 am a fire started off of Malibu Canyon Road. As of 1:00 pm there were 500+ personnel on scene. 1,200 acres (4.9 km2) burned with no containment. 200+ homes were evacuated. Five homes were confirmed to have been destroyed, with at least nine others damaged. Two commercial structures were completely destroyed. Castle Kashan and the Malibu Presbyterian Church were both destroyed. November 24, 2007 – The "Corral Fire" destroyed 53 homes, damaged 35, and burned over 4,720 acres (19.1 km2), forcing as many as 14,000 people to evacuate. Damages from the fire were expected to reach more than $100 million. The blaze originated at the top of Corral Canyon, where a group of young people who were in closed parkland after dusk had started a bonfire despite the presence of high Santa Ana winds. The individuals responsible for starting the fire were later identified, and are the subject of ongoing civil and criminal litigation.[69][70] November 8, 2018 – The Woolsey Fire, a wildfire that burned from November 8–21 that burned 96,949 acres (392 km2) and destroyed 1,500 structures and left 341 buildings damaged. The fire also resulted in 3 firefighter injuries and 3 civilian fatalities. In 2020, authorities blamed faulty Southern California Edison equipment for the blaze.[71][72][73] December 9, 2024 - The "Franklin Fire" began shortly before 11:00 pm on December 9 near Malibu Canyon Road. The fire spread quickly under strong Santa Ana winds, burning a total of 4,037 acres (16.3 km2) over the next few days. The fire prompted mandatory evacuations for much of Malibu and destroyed a total of 19 structures Not ignorance, just what I was certain of personally. Weird that you would call an accurate statement "ignorance". It would be like stating someone who did not personally deal with the 1990s ignorant for not knowing who Bruce Smith is and saying that Rousseau is out best DE since 2005. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, 4th&long said: If I'm not mistaken you are a teacher now? It is because of dimwits like you that we choose to home school our kids. You do not live in the desert first of all. And where did you get that they ran out of water? Because it didn't come out of the hydrants does not mean they had no water. You need to get away from your right wing propaganda bull####. I hope I'm wrong about you being a teacher, no wonder this country is in so much trouble! Ouch. Actually, I like Orlando Tim. I appreciate his comments on education, etc. I just think he needs to get out more in the virtual world. Staying in the alt right echosphere is damaging, as is staying in the lib-prog echosphere. 1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Not ignorance, just what I was certain of personally. Weird that you would call an accurate statement "ignorance". It would be like stating someone who did not personally deal with the 1990s ignorant for not knowing who Bruce Smith is and saying that Rousseau is out best DE since 2005. Understood. When I say "ignorance" I mean "you were probably unaware of the long history here." And it is a long, long history of major wildfires once or twice a decade, some of which consumed a lot more acreage than the current one. The main difference now: there's a whole lot more development to destroy. Was it wise to rebuild and then expand development after each and every time this has happened? 2
4th&long Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Ouch. Actually, I like Orlando Tim. I appreciate his comments on education, etc. I just think he needs to get out more in the virtual world. Staying in the alt right echosphere is damaging, as is staying in the lib-prog echosphere. I want to like him and at times I do. He just posts a bunch of ***** that is not based in reality. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, 4th&long said: I want to like him and at times I do. He just posts a bunch of ***** that is not based in reality. Do you take psychedelics and then post? That would explain everything. 1
4th&long Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Do you take psychedelics and then post? That would explain everything. Post your proof of the ***** you and these other nuts try to spew cowboy. We'll stick to one thing for now. Prove that LA ran out of water. And don't come back with because it didn't come out of the hydrants. That will just tell me you have no idea of how stuff works. Ex. I live in the country and have a well, if the power goes out my pump dose not turn on. I can't get water out of my sink because A. I ran out of water B. My pump won't turn on? Bonus question, Is my pump broke? Edited January 10 by 4th&long
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 10 Posted January 10 30 minutes ago, 4th&long said: If I'm not mistaken you are a teacher now? It is because of dimwits like you that we choose to home school our kids. You do not live in the desert first of all. And where did you get that they ran out of water? Because it didn't come out of the hydrants does not mean they had no water. You need to get away from your right wing propaganda bull####. I hope I'm wrong about you being a teacher, no wonder this country is in so much trouble! I am missing why the vitriol here is being sent my way and why you are disputing a known fact. The hydrants were unusable because of lack of water, that is not an opinion. As for who has more knowledge of fires in California, I have 90% of Americans beat because my job required it at one time. The only opinion I have is that the State should do more tonight fires before they spread, but other than that I have only stated facts. And to @The Frankish Reich I appreciate the sentiment but don't try to soften me up! 1
4th&long Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I am missing why the vitriol here is being sent my way and why you are disputing a known fact. The hydrants were unusable because of lack of water, that is not an opinion. As for who has more knowledge of fires in California, I have 90% of Americans beat because my job required it at one time. The only opinion I have is that the State should do more tonight fires before they spread, but other than that I have only stated facts. And to @The Frankish Reich I appreciate the sentiment but don't try to soften me up! They are not out of water. Their water system was not built for fire fighters all over the city to be tapping into hydrants at the same time plus lord knows how many citizens turning on their garden hose. If you know so much about socal you know these houses are built on hills. What do you think happens to the water pressure? The vitriol comes from being sick and tired of some tragedy happining and people making it a left or right thing. People were all over James woods, happy his house burned down because he is a Trump supporter. I thought it was horrible! It wasn't on here or something I could comment on. Look I am not shocked or surprised at govt failure on both sides, I expect it. But stick to the facts. I'm sure they are going to learn some hard truths from this. You knew a lot about Cali in 08. That was a long time ago. I was a graphic artists a long time ago, I liked what I did, not the business itself or being locked in a building all day. I changed careers. I would not claim to know much about it anymore nor would I try to get back into it without going back to school. Edited January 10 by 4th&long 1
Westside Posted January 10 Posted January 10 21 hours ago, daz28 said: I'd prefer that when I'm told I'm in way over my head that it be by a person that understands why, and can explain it. WTF is this word salad you just spewed all over TBD? 1
Doc Posted January 10 Posted January 10 6 hours ago, Motorin' said: Of course it is. But Trump has to be wrong about everything, so. "It's not happening." "It's not happening that much." "OK it's happening a lot but here's why that's actually a good thing." The 3 stages of Democrat denial. 2 1
daz28 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Westside said: WTF is this word salad you just spewed all over TBD? Find someone with a junior high education to help you. I'm done with you. 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted January 11 Posted January 11 The PM of Greenland thinks he's bonkers, delusional and has cut ties with reality too. 3 1
BillsFanNC Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Decidedly not bonkers or delusional or out of touch with reality. 1
B-Man Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Seems like "bonkers" and "cut ties with reality" isn't what it used to be. . . . . . . .. . . . lol. Greenland leaders ready to talk with Trump after prez-elect expressed interest to make territory part of America by Jon Levine Greenland’s leader Múte Egede said he is prepared to enter into negotiations with President-elect Trump about the future of the mineral-rich arctic territory — but warned his people had no interest in becoming Americans. At a press conference Friday in Denmark, which exercises nominal sovereignty over Greenland, Egede said he accepted that Greenland was “a place that the Americans see as part of their world” and that while he has not spoken with Trump, he was open to “discussions about what unites us.” “We are ready to talk,” he said. “Cooperation is about dialogue. Cooperation means that you will work towards solutions.” https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/us-news/greenland-leaders-ready-to-talk-with-trump/ Location, location: Why Trump’s Greenland push is smart geopolitics by Rich Lowry In business, Donald Trump was a real-estate guy. In the presidency, he might be one, too. The prospective foreign policy of his second term has taken an unexpected turn, with his recent talk of annexing Canada, buying Greenland and taking back the Panama Canal. Rather than the neo-isolationist that he’s often accused of being, Trump is talking like a neo-imperialist, at least in our own hemisphere. Even if President Trump does none of these things — he’s largely joking about the Great White North — his musings are a reminder of the crucial importance of geography and the control of territory. https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/opinion/donald-trumps-greenland-push-is-smart-geopolitics/ 1
Doc Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Seems like "bonkers" and "cut ties with reality" isn't what it used to be. . . . . . . .. . . . lol. Greenland leaders ready to talk with Trump after prez-elect expressed interest to make territory part of America by Jon Levine Greenland’s leader Múte Egede said he is prepared to enter into negotiations with President-elect Trump about the future of the mineral-rich arctic territory — but warned his people had no interest in becoming Americans. At a press conference Friday in Denmark, which exercises nominal sovereignty over Greenland, Egede said he accepted that Greenland was “a place that the Americans see as part of their world” and that while he has not spoken with Trump, he was open to “discussions about what unites us.” “We are ready to talk,” he said. “Cooperation is about dialogue. Cooperation means that you will work towards solutions.” https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/us-news/greenland-leaders-ready-to-talk-with-trump/ Location, location: Why Trump’s Greenland push is smart geopolitics by Rich Lowry In business, Donald Trump was a real-estate guy. In the presidency, he might be one, too. The prospective foreign policy of his second term has taken an unexpected turn, with his recent talk of annexing Canada, buying Greenland and taking back the Panama Canal. Rather than the neo-isolationist that he’s often accused of being, Trump is talking like a neo-imperialist, at least in our own hemisphere. Even if President Trump does none of these things — he’s largely joking about the Great White North — his musings are a reminder of the crucial importance of geography and the control of territory. https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/opinion/donald-trumps-greenland-push-is-smart-geopolitics/ As expected, the lefties learned nothing from last time and they'll continue to be the ones creating chaos. 1
4th&long Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Doc said: As expected, the lefties learned nothing from last time and they'll continue to be the ones creating chaos. You idiots assume what? They want to talk because they want the US to take them over? LOL!!
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