He's Just Bonkers, Delusional and Has Cut Ties With Reality

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I don't care enough to educate you. 

You do understand that this also has the appearance that you can't educate on it, right?  I don't feel like I'm having a mental breakdown, and my thoughts were coherent, especially the ones where I thought you were being political, like the "liberal stupidity" about the fires.  You'd think someone so adamant that they know where the shortcoming were, would be eager to explain them.  Not just to me, but everyone you stated the claims to.  If you do want to claim it's all a matter of lack of precautionary burns, then also add in the issues associated with them.  In New Mexico for example, it started the largest wildfire ever there.  

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Wrong.  I learned a long time ago that words are just that because everyone has an agenda/lies/doesn't know what they're saying and actions speak louder.

Right.  Everyone, including his supporters, knows trump says all kinds of dumb stuff.  Going to be a LOOONG 4 years for the people who have already forgotten this.  

[Orlando Buffalo]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

You do understand that this also has the appearance that you can't educate on it, right?  I don't feel like I'm having a mental breakdown, and my thoughts were coherent, especially the ones where I thought you were being political, like the "liberal stupidity" about the fires.  You'd think someone so adamant that they know where the shortcoming were, would be eager to explain them.  Not just to me, but everyone you stated the claims to.  If you do want to claim it's all a matter of lack of precautionary burns, then also add in the issues associated with them.  In New Mexico for example, it started the largest wildfire ever there.  

Right.   

If you can explain how they ran out of water for the hydrants I will have a further conversation- most of what I know is boring but I will explain it anyways. 

[daz28]

Just now, Orlando Buffalo said:

If you can explain how they ran out of water for the hydrants I will have a further conversation- most of what I know is boring but I will explain it anyways. 

I just read an article that the fires are the reason.  At this point in time, I don't think you're going to get enough of the facts to make an informed opinion on why, because partisanship is more important than facts most of the time.  Here's what they said, for what it's worth: Musk and his cronies have since attacked Mayor Karen Bass for supposedly fostering the aforementioned water shortages in the fire hydrants because of poor reservoir management. This is not only untrue, it completely misunderstands how water supply for firefighting works. Water lines that feed those hydrants have been hurt by the fires, while the widespread need for L.A.’s ample water reserves outpaced the rate at which officials could refill the tanks (and their paths were obstructed along the way by the fires). Plus, water pressure has long been lower than ideal on the West Coast, especially for high-altitude neighborhoods, because of the yearslong drought crippling the region.

[The Frankish Reich]

So, so much ignorance on display here.

The southern California Santa Ana winds are a special case. Learn some geography. Joan Didion, c. 1969:

 

Easterners commonly complain that there is no "weather" at all in Southern California, that the days and the seasons slip by relentlessly, numbingly bland. That is quite misleading. In fact the climate is characterized by infrequent but violent extremes: two periods of torrential subtropical rains which continue for weeks and wash out the hills and send subdivisions sliding toward the sea; about twenty scattered days a year of the Santa Ana, which, with its incendiary dryness, invariably means fire. At the first prediction of a Santa Ana, the Forest Service flies men and equipment from northern California into the southern forests, and the Los Angeles Fire Department cancels its ordinary non-firefighting routines. The Santa Ana caused Malibu to burn as it did in 1956, and Bel Air in 1961, and Santa Barbara in 1964. In the winter of 1966-67 eleven men were killed fighting a Santa Ana fire that spread through the San Gabriel Mountains. Just to watch the front-page news out of Los Angeles during a Santa Ana is to get very close to what it is about the place. The longest single Santa Ana period in recent years was in 1957, and it lasted not the usual three or four days but fourteen days, from November 21 until December 4. On the first day 25,000 acres of the San Gabriel Mountains were burning, with gusts reaching 100 miles an hour. In town, the wind reached Force 12, or hurricane force, on the Beaufort Scale; oil derricks were toppled and people ordered off the downtown streets to avoid injury from flying objects.

https://www.murrieta.k12.ca.us/cms/lib5/CA01000508/Centricity/Domain/1538/The Santa Anas.pdf

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

All these protests we see, how do they start out? Words! Next thing you know it escalates, a city block burns down. Someone gets shot and killed. I could go on but you can't think for yourself. I'll give you time to get into your propaganda. 

 

Ah yes "he/she made me do it!" is a valid defense.

 

24 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Right.  Everyone, including his supporters, knows trump says all kinds of dumb stuff.  Going to be a LOOONG 4 years for the people who have already forgotten this.  

 

I'll take saying dumb stuff over doing dumb stuff...

[Orlando Buffalo]

17 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I just read an article that the fires are the reason.  At this point in time, I don't think you're going to get enough of the facts to make an informed opinion on why, because partisanship is more important than facts most of the time.  Here's what they said, for what it's worth: Musk and his cronies have since attacked Mayor Karen Bass for supposedly fostering the aforementioned water shortages in the fire hydrants because of poor reservoir management. This is not only untrue, it completely misunderstands how water supply for firefighting works. Water lines that feed those hydrants have been hurt by the fires, while the widespread need for L.A.’s ample water reserves outpaced the rate at which officials could refill the tanks (and their paths were obstructed along the way by the fires). Plus, water pressure has long been lower than ideal on the West Coast, especially for high-altitude neighborhoods, because of the yearslong drought crippling the region.

They had more rain in 2022-2024 than any 2 year period in quite a while, so why did they not make more effort to retain it? 

https://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we13a.php

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

They had more rain in 2022-2024 than any 2 year period in quite a while, so why did they not make more effort to retain it? 

https://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we13a.php

Is this still about the hydrants, because that's not how they work.  They're tanks that need refilling, and they aren't designed to fight wildfires.  

 

In preparation for the windstorm LADWP activated its emergency preparation plans and filled all 114 available water reservoirs and storage facilities throughout the city including the three 1 million-gallon tanks in the Palisades area. We also fueled all our generators serving our pump stations to ensure water will flow out through the emergency.

 

We saw four times the demand of water than we've ever seen in the system. We opened every valve available to push as much water into the Palisades area. This fire was different and unprecedented because they didn't have air resources to fight it. So you're fighting a wildfire with a fire hydrant system. Fire hydrants are not made to fight multiple houses, hundreds of houses at a time. They're made to fight one or two houses when they come in. 

 

There's about 1,000 hydrants in that Palisades area. About 20% of those were without water so less than 200 hydrants were without water, the rest we were supplying water to. 

 

The shortage in the Pacific Palisades happened, Quiñones said at an earlier news conference (time stamp 52:17), because the three, full, million-gallon tanks supplying the area ran dry overnight into Jan. 9. After the tanks were depleted, pressure in some hydrants also fell. However, Quiñones said that water was flowing through the main system in the Pacific Palisades. She later said (time stamp 28:45) that 19 water tankers with a capacity of around 4,000 gallons each were ferrying water to the areas where firefighters needed it.

 

Officials said that normally, emergency teams would rely more on air support like firefighting helicopters, which would lessen the strain on water tanks by using more water from other sources like above-ground reservoirs. However, high winds and a lack of air visibility have meant those firefighting operations have been grounded, Pestrella said.

“County and city water reservoirs — open reservoirs — are available and on standby once [aerial firefighting] support becomes available,” he said.

[Orlando Buffalo]

31 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Is this still about the hydrants, because that's not how they work.  They're tanks that need refilling, and they aren't designed to fight wildfires.  

 

In preparation for the windstorm LADWP activated its emergency preparation plans and filled all 114 available water reservoirs and storage facilities throughout the city including the three 1 million-gallon tanks in the Palisades area. We also fueled all our generators serving our pump stations to ensure water will flow out through the emergency.

 

We saw four times the demand of water than we've ever seen in the system. We opened every valve available to push as much water into the Palisades area. This fire was different and unprecedented because they didn't have air resources to fight it. So you're fighting a wildfire with a fire hydrant system. Fire hydrants are not made to fight multiple houses, hundreds of houses at a time. They're made to fight one or two houses when they come in. 

 

There's about 1,000 hydrants in that Palisades area. About 20% of those were without water so less than 200 hydrants were without water, the rest we were supplying water to. 

 

The shortage in the Pacific Palisades happened, Quiñones said at an earlier news conference (time stamp 52:17), because the three, full, million-gallon tanks supplying the area ran dry overnight into Jan. 9. After the tanks were depleted, pressure in some hydrants also fell. However, Quiñones said that water was flowing through the main system in the Pacific Palisades. She later said (time stamp 28:45) that 19 water tankers with a capacity of around 4,000 gallons each were ferrying water to the areas where firefighters needed it.

 

Officials said that normally, emergency teams would rely more on air support like firefighting helicopters, which would lessen the strain on water tanks by using more water from other sources like above-ground reservoirs. However, high winds and a lack of air visibility have meant those firefighting operations have been grounded, Pestrella said.

“County and city water reservoirs — open reservoirs — are available and on standby once [aerial firefighting] support becomes available,” he said.

Ok I will go through what I know was requested in 2008 and denied for at least the first few years- some of these could have changed since I have  been out of insurance for over a decade.

1- don't build in areas without proper water access.(Part of why I wanted your research on why hydrants failed)

2- do many more controlled burns

3- make fire breaks much more often.

4- clear brush more aggressively

5- make concerted effort to replace plants with "less flammable" varieties

6- there were also suggestions about building code and material improvements, but some of those were followed. 

7- there were also suggestions on how to deploy the firefighters and other responders.

 

There was another other points but I don't remember them. Florida had enacted much of what was suggested and improved our fire situation drastically. 

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Ok I will go through what I know was requested in 2008 and denied for at least the first few years- some of these could have changed since I have  been out of insurance for over a decade.

1- don't build in areas without proper water access.(Part of why I wanted your research on why hydrants failed)

2- do many more controlled burns

3- make fire breaks much more often.

4- clear brush more aggressively

5- make concerted effort to replace plants with "less flammable" varieties

6- there were also suggestions about building code and material improvements, but some of those were followed. 

7- there were also suggestions on how to deploy the firefighters and other responders.

 

There was another other points but I don't remember them. Florida had enacted much of what was suggested and improved our fire situation drastically. 

I'd prefer that my taxes weren't used for those socialistic approaches, and the insurance companies charge whatever rate is necessary to cover the damages.  If you can't afford those rates, then you can't live there.  If someone wants to build a castle up there, and take that risk, that's fine with me as long as I'm not subsidizing their risky means of enjoying the benefits of having prime real estate.  I realize this fire isn't just the hills, but most are.  Same goes for hurricanes and earthquakes too.  How much you want to toy with mother nature shouldn't be anyone else's problem.  

[Orlando Buffalo]

14 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'd prefer that my taxes weren't used for those socialistic approaches, and the insurance companies charge whatever rate is necessary to cover the damages.  If you can't afford those rates, then you can't live there.  If someone wants to build a castle up there, and take that risk, that's fine with me as long as I'm not subsidizing their risky means of enjoying the benefits of having prime real estate.  I realize this fire isn't just the hills, but most are.  Same goes for hurricanes and earthquakes too.  How much you want to toy with mother nature shouldn't be anyone else's problem.  

I actually agree with you on the government should be less involved but that is life at this point. Politicians make a lot of situations pay to play if you want to get in the door, so there is a lot of situations were the only person who loses is the common man.