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[DrDawkinstein]

14 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Why in Gods name would anyone want to interview Arthur Smith?!! Terrible.

 

Maybe to get better shipping rates?

[machine gun kelly]

I thought you were going among the many to select Joe Brady.  Chicago is an attractive spot as they have a QB, who needs development, some young talent, and 8 draft pics, 3 in the first couple of rounds.

[TheFunPolice]

The Steelers constant presence in the playoffs is proof that Tomlin is a top notch coach. 

 

What if he had a top notch QB?

 

He did, and when he did he led the team to 2 SB appearances in an era when Manning and Brady dominated the AFC and combined to appear in 13 Super Bowls. 

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Isn't building the roster, and making a succession plan to the most important player, the job of the GM?  I'm not aware of any info or even hints that Tomlin has takes a share of the GM's duties or controls decisions about who to draft or sign, are you?

 

In this case, Kevin Colbert, who was VP and GM for the Steelers, probably gets the (dis)credit for failing to craft a succession plan to Big Ben beyond drafting a 4th round QB in 2017, a 3rd rounder in 2018, and Kenny Pickett in the 1st round 2022 (after which he retired).  The problem of course, is that PIttsburgh failed to put a decent OL in front of him. They did draft OL in round 1 the last 2 years and round 2 last year, but Too Little Too Late.

I think their new GM Omar Khan should get the blame for the failed Russell Wilson adventure with a side of Justin Fields.

But, to be fair, what exactly is a good succession plan to a franchise QB?  If you draft one too soon (Love), you may not have them under contract long enough to see how they actually play.  If you draft one when you actually need one, they may not be any good and you have to throw them back and pick another.  Let's be real, there's a huge element of luck here.

 

 

HC puts together his grocery/wish list.  GM goes shopping.  There isn't a HC in the league that does not have a significant hand in putting together a roster. 

 

Since Big Ben left, Steelers have drafted Pickett, Rudolph, Josh Dobbs, as well as signed Trubisky, Fields, and Wilson.  I'm pretty sure any casual fan would know this is not what you do when formulating a succession plan for a franchise QB.  

 

The one constant through all of that is Tomlin.  He has screwed up the QB spot every second since before  the HOF QB he was gifted retired---none of that is for lack of "luck".  Tomlin is coasting, comfortable in the knowledge that old man Rooney will never fire him.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

The Steelers constant presence in the playoffs is proof that Tomlin is a top notch coach. 

 

What if he had a top notch QB?

 

He did, and when he did he led the team to 2 SB appearances in an era when Manning and Brady dominated the AFC and combined to appear in 13 Super Bowls. 

 

That was 14 years ago....3-8 since--including 4 one and dones in a row (about to be 5th). 

[TheFunPolice]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

HC puts together his grocery/wish list.  GM goes shopping.  There isn't a HC in the league that does not have a significant hand in putting together a roster. 

 

Since Big Ben left, Steelers have drafted Pickett, Rudolph, Josh Dobbs, as well as signed Trubisky, Fields, and Wilson.  I'm pretty sure any casual fan would know this is not what you do when formulating a succession plan for a franchise QB.  

 

The one constant through all of that is Tomlin.  He has screwed up the QB spot every second since before  the HOF QB he was gifted retired---none of that is for lack of "luck".  Tomlin is coasting, comfortable in the knowledge that old man Rooney will never fire him.

 

 

 

 

That was 14 years ago....3-8 since--including 4 one and dones in a row (about to be 5th). 

 

Certainly fair, but it also corresponds with having (or not having) great QB play. Ironically the SB win with Big Ben was mostly the team around him. Once he started putting up numbers the post season success wasn't as good. 

 

They are in the playoffs so often because Tomlin is a great coach who coaches them up, then they're outmatched. 

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

HC puts together his grocery/wish list.  GM goes shopping.  There isn't a HC in the league that does not have a significant hand in putting together a roster. 

 

Since Big Ben left, Steelers have drafted Pickett, Rudolph, Josh Dobbs, as well as signed Trubisky, Fields, and Wilson.  I'm pretty sure any casual fan would know this is not what you do when formulating a succession plan for a franchise QB.  

 

The one constant through all of that is Tomlin.  He has screwed up the QB spot every second since before  the HOF QB he was gifted retired---none of that is for lack of "luck".  Tomlin is coasting, comfortable in the knowledge that old man Rooney will never fire him.

 

Rudolph and Dobbs were drafted 3 (2018) and 4 (2017) years before Roethlisberger hung up his cleats (2021).  It seems pretty standard to use a mid round pick or two on a QB a team can develop as a backup, while they still have a starter in place.

Pickett was drafted in 2022, which is when they brought in Trubisky.  Again, it seems pretty standard to bring in a veteran guy you think can be a "bridge" QB for the rookie you're developing. 

 

Bringing in Fields and Russell Wilson seemed like grasping at straws to me.

I can't speak to the knowledge of "any casual fan", I defer to you there.

 

[djp14150]

16 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

I get the twitter post…. 
 

an issue missing Tomlin made a 2nd SB trip losing to McCarthy 

 

an issue in coaching can be staleness

 

tomlin primarily ride n established QB in Big Ben and never changed teams

McCarthy  had a year off and switched teams 

 

both missed playoffs when they went with a rookie qb

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Rudolph and Dobbs were drafted 3 (2018) and 4 (2017) years before Roethlisberger hung up his cleats (2021).  It seems pretty standard to use a mid round pick or two on a QB a team can develop as a backup, while they still have a starter in place.

Pickett was drafted in 2022, which is when they brought in Trubisky.  Again, it seems pretty standard to bring in a veteran guy you think can be a "bridge" QB for the rookie you're developing. 

 

Bringing in Fields and Russell Wilson seemed like grasping at straws to me.

I can't speak to the knowledge of "any casual fan", I defer to you there.

 

lol zing!

 

those were all bad choices at the time.  That franchise has screwed up the WB spot like few others have recently.  No one was developed into anything because they weren’t any good. The Wilson pick was bad.  The Fields signing was icing on the moron cake for that FO. 
 

Tomlin owes everything he has to Big Ben.  Tall about coattails—he’s still riding them, yet there’s no coat.