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[Beck Water]

[Sojourner]

Dallas fans begging them to take McCarthy. 
Chicago fans begging they don’t. 
 

What a world!

[Taro Nimbus]

Isn’t Aaron Glenn the Lions DC??  😂

[MiltonWaddams]

Why in Gods name would anyone want to interview Arthur Smith?!! Terrible.

[Aussie Joe]

 

 

[Sojourner]

10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

Very similar. McCarthy being from Pittsburgh makes the similarity even funnier. 
 

Not discrediting McCarthy but he did go from one stacked team in Green Bay to another, whether you like them or not, in Dallas. 
 

Not giving Tomlin a pass by any means as his succession plan to Ben stunk. You could see the writing on the wall even with his decent stat lines for the final 3 seasons. Not much since then in terms of quality offensive talent but he’s still winning.

 

If the team is set, it’s 50/50. If it needs a culture and development I’d probably go with Tomlin as he is heralded as one of the ultimate players coaches. Think that’s what it comes down to?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Isn’t Aaron Glenn the Lions DC??  😂

 

YES!  Oops!

 

Who would want to interview the Jets DC right now?

[Beck Water]

59 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Very similar. McCarthy being from Pittsburgh makes the similarity even funnier. 
 

Not discrediting McCarthy but he did go from one stacked team in Green Bay to another, whether you like them or not, in Dallas. 
 

Not giving Tomlin a pass by any means as his succession plan to Ben stunk. You could see the writing on the wall even with his decent stat lines for the final 3 seasons. Not much since then in terms of quality offensive talent but he’s still winning.

 

If the team is set, it’s 50/50. If it needs a culture and development I’d probably go with Tomlin as he is heralded as one of the ultimate players coaches. Think that’s what it comes down to?

 

Isn't building the roster, and making a succession plan to the most important player, the job of the GM?  I'm not aware of any info or even hints that Tomlin has takes a share of the GM's duties or controls decisions about who to draft or sign, are you?

 

In this case, Kevin Colbert, who was VP and GM for the Steelers, probably gets the (dis)credit for failing to craft a succession plan to Big Ben beyond drafting a 4th round QB in 2017, a 3rd rounder in 2018, and Kenny Pickett in the 1st round 2022 (after which he retired).  The problem of course, is that PIttsburgh failed to put a decent OL in front of him. They did draft OL in round 1 the last 2 years and round 2 last year, but Too Little Too Late.

I think their new GM Omar Khan should get the blame for the failed Russell Wilson adventure with a side of Justin Fields.

But, to be fair, what exactly is a good succession plan to a franchise QB?  If you draft one too soon (Love), you may not have them under contract long enough to see how they actually play.  If you draft one when you actually need one, they may not be any good and you have to throw them back and pick another.  Let's be real, there's a huge element of luck here.

Edited yesterday at 07:07 AM by Beck Water

[NoHuddleKelly12]

And so the carousel twirls on. So glad the Bills got off the Merry Go Round and have enjoyed some well deserved stability under the current regime! 

[Billy Claude]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

YES!  Oops!

 

Who would want to interview the Jets DC right now?

 

It appears that the Jets want to. 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jeff-ulbrich-expects-to-interview-for-jets-head-coaching-job-next-week

 

Obviously just a courtesy interview but I wonder why Ulbrich would bother to take it.

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Billy Claude

[BearNorth]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

YES!  Oops!

 

Who would want to interview the Jets DC right now?

Well considering the head coach [Saleh] they fired was considered an elite DC???

[chris heff]

10 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Why in Gods name would anyone want to interview Arthur Smith?!! Terrible.

The Rooney Rule was amended, now required to also interview one guy that sucks.

[TBBills Fan]

The jets should interview Robert Saleh. He is available 

[Westside]

22 minutes ago, chris heff said:

The Rooney Rule was amended, now required to also interview one guy that sucks.

it's only fair..........

[TheFunPolice]

McCarthy had 13 seasons of Favre and Rodgers and went 10-8 in the playoffs, with 1 SB appearance which they won. 

 

That's pathetic, honestly. 

 

Especially since the NFC had no consistently great team EXCEPT Green Bay. They were the consistently great team who always lost in the playoffs. Seattle, SF, Arizona, the Giants, all popped up here and there along the way, but had no really long lasting staying power. 

 

The AFC had Manning, Brady, the and Ravens defense for Tomlin to get past. 2 unquestionable HOF QBs, and a loaded Ravens team that was always tough. Now Big Ben was also great, and Tomlin was able to get to 2 Super Bowls and win 1 with prime Big Ben, even with all of the competition in the AFC.

 

McCarthy's Packers can best be understood like this: The Belichick/Brady dynasty if NE lost its first playoff game most years and only got to 1 SB. 

 

Tomlin has done more with less and got more out of a great QB. It's not even close, IMO. 

 

Yes, the Steelers get to the playoffs and do nothing. But why? Because their coach is good enough to coach them to enough wins to get there but they just don't have the talent to beat the great teams.

 

McCarthy's teams are almost always the favorites, and get upset. This was definitely true in GB and usually also true in Dallas. 

Tomlin's teams are almost always the underdogs, and sometimes pull an upset. 

 

or think of it this way: McCarthy had the QB advantage in every single NFC playoff game during his time in GB, and it wasn't even close. How often could you say the same for Tomlin's teams? 

Edited 14 hours ago by TheFunPolice

[Sojourner]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Isn't building the roster, and making a succession plan to the most important player, the job of the GM?  I'm not aware of any info or even hints that Tomlin has takes a share of the GM's duties or controls decisions about who to draft or sign, are you?

 

In this case, Kevin Colbert, who was VP and GM for the Steelers, probably gets the (dis)credit for failing to craft a succession plan to Big Ben beyond drafting a 4th round QB in 2017, a 3rd rounder in 2018, and Kenny Pickett in the 1st round 2022 (after which he retired).  The problem of course, is that PIttsburgh failed to put a decent OL in front of him. They did draft OL in round 1 the last 2 years and round 2 last year, but Too Little Too Late.

I think their new GM Omar Khan should get the blame for the failed Russell Wilson adventure with a side of Justin Fields.

But, to be fair, what exactly is a good succession plan to a franchise QB?  If you draft one too soon (Love), you may not have them under contract long enough to see how they actually play.  If you draft one when you actually need one, they may not be any good and you have to throw them back and pick another.  Let's be real, there's a huge element of luck here.

Absolute solid and valid points but you can’t lump it solely on the GM. There comes a point where a coach, especially after the tenure that Tomlin has, becomes hand in hand with the GM. He’s openly said years ago, we are talking at least 5 years, that he has always had “responsibility in who the Steelers draft”. Does that mean he gets the exact player? No. They may not be available but if they are, no doubt they are getting drafted. Also If he requests player type A he isn’t going to get player type M instead. 
 

A tenured coach is on par with BB in NE, Harbaugh in Baltimore and Reid in Philly & KC. These guys have control of the team and aren’t just given players whenever the upper management see fit. They pretty much design their own roster. 
 

Does blame fall on Colbert, Khan and other guys who have been around the organization’s personnel decisions? Absolutely. But I don’t believe it’s as clear cut as other teams and their selections, plans or foresight on their roster construction and selections. 
 

However, I could be absolutely wrong. That’s just my perspective. 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Sojourner

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

13 hours ago, Sojourner said:

Dallas fans begging them to take McCarthy. 
Chicago fans begging they don’t. 
 

What a world!

 

McCarthy become s free agent next week.  The fact the JJ hasn't resigned him makes me think he's just going to let him walk, kind of take the easy/cheap way out.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Sojourner said:

Absolute solid and valid points but you can’t lump it solely on the GM. There comes a point where a coach, especially after the tenure that Tomlin has, becomes hand in hand with the GM. He’s openly said years ago, we are talking at least 5 years, that he has always had “responsibility in who the Steelers draft”. Does that mean he gets the exact player? No. They may not be available but if they are, no doubt they are getting drafted. Also If he requests player type A he isn’t going to get player type M instead. 
 

A tenured coach is on par with BB in NE, Harbaugh in Baltimore and Reid in Philly & KC. These guys have control of the team and aren’t just given players whenever the upper management see fit. They pretty much design their own roster. 
 

Does blame fall on Colbert, Khan and other guys who have been around the organization’s personnel decisions? Absolutely. But I don’t believe it’s as clear cut as other teams and their selections, plans or foresight on their roster construction and selections. 
 

However, I could be absolutely wrong. That’s just my perspective. 

 

I think those are reasonable and likely valid points. 

In the case of Roethlisberger, though, I suspect he was a bit of a 1700 lb Polar Bear (where does it sit? anywhere it wants).  Roethlisburger predated Tomlin as HC by 3 years and won a Superbowl before Tomlin arrived.   

 

So while the points you make I'm sure are valid regarding Tomlin's voice in who the Steelers draft and the type of players they value, I would guess that Tomlin, and even Colbert, had their influence on a QB succession plan outweighed by the Rooney family - who may have felt that Big Ben had earned the right to be "done" when he decided he was "done", and not rushed out the door.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

It’s the Bears. Therefore Arthur Smith will be the guy. 🤮

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Flores would be a good fit for that team. Bears have lacked any discipline for a few decades.