One Thing: Keon looked terrible yesterday

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

 

When you draft a WR in the first round, this is basically what you're looking for. Keep in mind the Hawks have a VERY good secondary. 

 

I dunno where the narrative in this thread for Coleman comes from. 

i mean ive watched him all year

 

and i dont know if id call seattle a very good secondary tbh. 

 

 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I realize he was being thrown to by Trubisky and White instead of Allen, but against a bad secondary he got zero separation yesterday. Two catches on ten targets. 

 

He's shown some real flashes this season, but I'd say I'm more worried about him and his prospects now than I have been before this game. 

 

I was worried myself.  But I think there are a couple of things at play.

 

One is, I think when a receiver is used to tracking and catching balls from Allen, it makes it harder to track and catch balls from other QB.  There is that much difference in the velocity thus the timing of when the ball gets there.  Trubisky said after the game "if we'd had a few more reps to build timing, I think we would have gotten a couple of those."

Two is, Brady wasn't making any efforts to scheme Keon more open.  Three is, the reason that Beane traded for Amari Cooper was that the Ravens game showed us we really didn't have enough WR talent to divide a good D's attention and the Houston game showed us that without Shakir, we don't have enough WR talent period.   So Beane spun the roladex and 2 weeks later Cooper was here.  But we just spun the roladex back to "Shakir out, no Cooper" and it was generally not pretty. [in case anyone was wondering, Collins got 100% of the snaps, Coleman 97%, and Samuel 67%; no other receiver got snaps]

So yesterday, without Cooper AND Shakir, AND running vanilla plays, there just wasn't enough to divert attention from Coleman and Hollins.   Alex Austin, one of NE starting corners, played more than 3/4 of the game and I think he was covering Coleman a good bit.  Then add in that Trubisky takes longer to make up his mind and throw and the ball takes longer to get there, and it wasn't good.

 

There's no question that Coleman needs to work on his release and his route running this off-season though.

 

Edited Monday at 05:37 PM by Beck Water

[appoo]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

i mean ive watched him all year

 

and i dont know if id call seattle a very good secondary tbh. 

 

 

He was going up against Riq Woolen a in some of those highlites, including the TD

[GoBills808]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I was worried myself.  But I think there are a couple of things at play.

 

One is, I think when a receiver is used to tracking and catching balls from Allen, it makes it harder to track and catch balls from other QB.  There is that much difference in the velocity thus the timing of when the ball gets there.  Trubisky said after the game "if we'd had a few more reps to build timing, I think we would have gotten a couple of those."

Two is, Brady wasn't making any efforts to scheme Keon more open.  Three is, the reason that Beane traded for Amari Cooper was that the Ravens game showed us we really didn't have enough WR talent to divide a good D's attention and the Houston game showed us that without Shakir, we don't have enough WR talent period. 

So Beane spun the roladex and 2 weeks later Cooper was here.

Yesterday, without Cooper AND Shakir, AND running vanilla plays, there just wasn't enough to divert attention from Coleman and Hollins.   Alex Austin played more than 3/4 of the game and I think he was covering Coleman a good bit.  Then add in that Trubisky takes longer to make up his mind and throw and the ball takes longer to get there, and it wasn't good.

 

There's no question that Coleman needs to work on his release and his route running this off-season.

 

his releases were something specific steve smith called out as borderline amateurish

 

just a ton of wasted motion

1 minute ago, appoo said:

He was going up against Riq Woolen a in some of those highlites, including the TD

he had a nice game for sure

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

I was worried myself.  But I think there are a couple of things at play.

 

One is, I think when a receiver is used to tracking and catching balls from Allen, it makes it harder to track and catch balls from other QB.  There is that much difference in the velocity thus the timing of when the ball gets there.  Trubisky said after the game "if we'd had a few more reps to build timing, I think we would have gotten a couple of those."

Two is, Brady wasn't making any efforts to scheme Keon more open.  Three is, the reason that Beane traded for Amari Cooper was that the Ravens game showed us we really didn't have enough WR talent to divide a good D's attention and the Houston game showed us that without Shakir, we don't have enough WR talent period. 

So Beane spun the roladex and 2 weeks later Cooper was here.

Yesterday, without Cooper AND Shakir, AND running vanilla plays, there just wasn't enough to divert attention from Coleman and Hollins.   Alex Austin played more than 3/4 of the game and I think he was covering Coleman a good bit.  Then add in that Trubisky takes longer to make up his mind and throw and the ball takes longer to get there, and it wasn't good.

 

There's no question that Coleman needs to work on his release and his route running this off-season.

 

 

 

 

I saw on countless plays where Trubisky was just taking too long to make a decision and throw the ball and something like that just has to screw up the timing for the WR's, but our boards are calling Coleman trash, so........

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

his releases were something specific steve smith called out as borderline amateurish

 

Was this pre-draft or yesterday or ??

[GoBills808]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Was this pre-draft or yesterday or ??

think it was a couple weeks ago

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

think it was a couple weeks ago

 

I mean, he's a harsh critic but he's not wrong

[wjag]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Was this pre-draft or yesterday or ??

 

You can find it on Youtube.  It was pretty harsh.  Just search Smith and Coleman.

[LABILLBACKER]

Well one thing is 100% confirmed.  He's slow as hell. He gets zero separation. I'm still pissed at him for adding 1 int and deducting 1 td from Josh's ledger. He's athletic enough to be decent on the jump ball stuff but he better expand his route tree.  Maybe we can have him run crossing "gauntlet" routes all day?  Brian Thomas Jr would've looked real good in a Bills uniform. At least he had a better season than Mitchell, McCaffrey & Franklin.  So I'm giving Keon at least another year to show improvement but his flaws so far are kinda obvious. 

Edited Monday at 05:59 PM by LABILLBACKER

[wjag]

uh oh..  The mob is turning on Keon.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

uh oh..  The mob is turning on Keon.

 

We always need at least one sacrifice. Even in an over-achieving 13-4 (14-3) season.

[somnus00]

The entire team was playing to avoid injuries yesterday. I don't want Keon fighting like hell for a meaningless catch. Actually, I think the team has treated the last 3 weeks like preseason. Looks like they've been holding back. I'm not worried about Keon.

[Orlando Buffalo]

If Keon plays like that during the playoffs I will be worried but in college the bigger the game the bigger he played. Yesterday game was the smallest game he has played in since high school most likely.

[Bruffalo]

Rookie, who missed a handful of games due to injury, still has the 2nd most receiving yards of any WR on the Bills. 

 

Nobody cares about the performances from Sunday. It's a wash, preseason-esque trash football. 

 

I don't see what the problem is honestly.  He didn't take over the offense I guess, but the offense is specifically designed to not have anyone do that.  

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

To think that the chargers got McConkey one pick after Coleman is very infuriating.

 

I liked McConkey a lot at UGA and felt he’d be a good pro. He’s just….a really good old school style football player. Having said that, he’s not primarily an outside guy, and that’s what we needed. He may or may not end up better than Shakir, but we had to get a player for the need we had, IMO. 

[billsfan_34]

4 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I realize he was being thrown to by Trubisky and White instead of Allen, but against a bad secondary he got zero separation yesterday. Two catches on ten targets. 

 

He's shown some real flashes this season, but I'd say I'm more worried about him and his prospects now than I have been before this game. 

Its a chemistry thing, a “not get hurt”, thing, and a very vanilla offense we ran again. My worthless take 🤣

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I liked McConkey a lot at UGA and felt he’d be a good pro. He’s just….a really good old school style football player. Having said that, he’s not primarily an outside guy, and that’s what we needed. He may or may not end up better than Shakir, but we had to get a player for the need we had, IMO. 

i hear you. But I am starting to wonder if this idea Of guys not being able to play outside is a bit overblown. Seems like Kupp and Pacua in LA look like quintessential slot guys, but they both play inside and out. 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

This was not a serious game.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i hear you. But I am starting to wonder if this idea Of guys not being able to play outside is a bit overblown. Seems like Kupp and Pacua in LA look like quintessential slot guys, but they both play inside and out. 

 

Time will tell. We’ll see how the game evolves and how these players develop. I will say that Krupp and Pacua seem more like outliers than the norm. 

 

 

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Edited Monday at 07:05 PM by Augie