One Thing: Keon looked terrible yesterday

[julian]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Wasn't he on pace before he got hurt for like 45-50 and like 1000 yds lol

 

He might be the best wr in this entire class. It was a homerun pick 

 

 

It’s a mindset for a segment of fans, plenty were making similar proclamations about Spencer Brown.

 

 The Kid looks very promising.

[Rigotz]

3 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

I will forever be baffled when people act surprised with Keon's performance.  This is who the player was before he was drafted.  This is the guy he is.

 

There were a lot better option available and Beane fumbled it.  It was a bad pick at the time, and he hasn't shown much more than what everyone knew you were getting prior to the season.

 

He will never be a number one WR and I think it will be a stretch for him to be a number two.  He will be a situational spark plug.  

 

WR is STILL a massive hole yet again.

 

I'm not sure what you were expecting out of a rookie, but he's having a pretty decent season.

 

He's #8 overall for rookie receivers in yards despite only playing in 13 games.

 

What is the benefit of writing him off and being "forever baffled" at this point? So you can throw in a "told you so" if you're right?

 

People said the same things about Josh Allen when we drafted him and even did the "told you so, wrong Josh" for about a year after that.

 

It benefits nobody. Why are you like this?

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He has 5 catches on 17 targets over the last 2 weeks for 58 receiving yards. That’s not good enough. We always had issues with Gabe’s catch percentage. I hate to be the messenger but Gabe’s catch percentage was higher in each of his 4 years here than Coleman’s. They both have excellent yards per reception.
 

I’m not ready to throw him in the dumpster. There are some things that he does well. At this point though, he isn’t a very good receiver for where he was picked. His ceiling is a role player, and a pretty good one, IMO. I don’t know if he is a top 2 guy at any point and Shakir has the slot locked down. Maybe he can grow into the other piece next to Amari (or whoever ends up as the number 1). At this point though, he looks like a piece and not a guy. That’s not great for pick 33. He has a lot of growth to get where he needs to be. 

Good post @HappyDays. That’s such an important piece. He’s far from a finished product. Let’s hope that the progression and growth happens.

 

 

Yeah it wasn't a good finish.  Gabe didn't have the talent that Coleman has.  It's remarkable that a guy with hands as poor as Davis could even make it to the NFL.   But I remember Gabe catching 3 passes on 14 targets in the meaningless finale against NYJ after the 2021 season and then two weeks later he had that game for the ages against KC in the divisional round with over 200 yards.   Hopefully Coleman catches fire in the playoffs.

[ProcessTruster]

3 hours ago, White Linen said:

I think we all knew he was going to have to work to realize his potential.  I still think there's enough there to remain hopeful.

he'll come back next season looking like f ing AJ Brown.  beef up that skinny rookie body and off we go

[Pete]

Look, I’m a fan of Keon, warts and all. He buries opponents, blocking them into their own bench.   He is electric in open space.   And he rises above all, and snags football like a power rebound.

 

Keon will get better.  Less wasted motions, better hand slapping, better positioning himself better for catch and/or penalty, crisper, more convincing routes

[Sweats]

12 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

I'm not sure what you were expecting out of a rookie, but he's having a pretty decent season.

 

He's #8 overall for rookie receivers in yards despite only playing in 13 games.

 

What is the benefit of writing him off and being "forever baffled" at this point? So you can throw in a "told you so" if you're right?

 

People said the same things about Josh Allen when we drafted him and even did the "told you so, wrong Josh" for about a year after that.

 

It benefits nobody. Why are you like this?

 

 

 

I think it's a "coping mechanism", so in case Coleman doesn't work out, then he can say that he wasn't "emotionally invested" in the pick and it keeps him distant from any and all means of any attachment.

 

I've seen this before with many posters, whereby they use it as a "safeguard" for emotional structure and refuse to rely on any sufficient benign literature in any manner to fuel their own outcome of satisfiable consequences. 

[DapperCam]

I maintain that Coleman should be unstoppable on slants. Him and Allen should practice that route 1000 times this offseason until both can do it in their sleep.

 

Coleman has exceeded my expectations for his rookie year (they were pretty low). If not for his injury, he’s probably looking at 700-800 yards and 7 TDs. That would be great for a rookie WR who was considered a “project”.

[Logic]

38 minutes ago, Pete said:

Where does Shakir go?

I don't think that Coleman should EXCLUSIVELY be used as a big slot, and I don't think he should displace Shakir.

They move guys around a lot. Starting them in one spot and having them shift or motion. The receivers also seem to all know the X, Y, and Z positions in this offense. I think there's room for Shakir to be the primary slot guy and for the Bills to also flex Coleman to the slot in big spots and high leverage situations and to exploit certain advantageous matchups.

But ultimately, that's kind of the problem the Bills have right now: They have Cooper, who is a true outside guy, Hollins, who is an outside guy but not a particularly above average one, and then everyone else sort of seems better suited for the slot.

While I expect a lot of attention to be paid to the defense in the offseason, I also hope they add more quality receiver talent. Not done building there.

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I think it's a "coping mechanism", so in case Coleman doesn't work out, then he can say that he wasn't "emotionally invested" in the pick and it keeps him distant from any and all means of any attachment.

 

I've seen this before with many posters, whereby they use it as a "safeguard" for emotional structure and refuse to rely on any sufficient benign literature in any manner to fuel their own outcome of satisfiable consequences. 

the literature says hes 68th in yards/game

 

there's definitely something there to work with but let's not pretend there's also no reason to be disappointed

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

the literature says hes 68th in yards/game

 

there's definitely something there to work with but let's not pretend there's also no reason to be disappointed

 

 

 

Disappointment is one's own failure of expectations.

 

I expect nothing and hardly ever get disappointed.

[appoo]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

the literature says hes 68th in yards/game

 

there's definitely something there to work with but let's not pretend there's also no reason to be disappointed

There is literally, definitively, absolutely, no reason to be dissappointed in Keon Coleman's rookie year. 

 

First of all he got illegally jacked up by Jordan Poyer half way through the season, missing a bunch of time, and likely messing with his WR mechanics because of that forearm injury, and it was timed perfectly with when he was REALLY ascending into the WR1 for this team. 

 

Second of all, he's been able to legally drink for 7 months

 

Third, he wasn't a high first rounder. He wasn't even a first rounder at all. 

 

Fourth, he's already a borderline elite blocker at WR

 

Finally, he's flashed plenty of mid first round talent and has shown not only potential to be a real weapon in this league, but has literally actually done it. 

Edited Monday at 05:14 PM by appoo

[GoBills808]

Just now, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Disappointment is one's own failure of expectations.

 

I expect nothing and hardly ever get disappointed.

from a guy who just chastised someone for claiming a lack of 'emotional investment' as a 'coping mechanism'

 

yeah no try again

[DCofNC]

I know it’s meaningless, I know it’s not Allen, but he’s been pretty bad since coming back and one would HOPE he could at least catch the ones he should, against a bad team.  The big thing he’s supposed to have are great hands.. that’s really proving to not be the case.   In retrospect, Ladd was the pick and they blew it.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

There is literally, definitively, absolutely, no reason to be dissappointed in Keon Coleman's rookie year. 

 

First of all he got illegally jacked up by Jordan Poyer half way through the season, and it was timed perfectly with when he was REALLY ascending into the WR1 for this team. 

 

Second of all, he's been able to legally drink for 7 months

 

Third, he wasn't a high first rounder. He wasn't even a first rounder at all. 

 

Fourth, he's already a borderline elite blocker at WR

 

Finally, he's flashed plenty of mid first round talent and has shown not only potential to be a real weapon in this league, but has literally actually done it. 

ok

 

he has not flashed mid first round talent, to me, at all. he has flashed really good athleticism at the catchpoint, good hands, and size that translates on field. he has also shown a pedestrian understanding of leverage and a below-nfl-average ability to disengage from coverage. combined imo those are the traits of a second/third rounder which not coincidentally he actually was. the disappointment isnt necessarily in the player but that he wasn't able to elevate from his draft position

[appoo]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

I know it’s meaningless, I know it’s not Allen, but he’s been pretty bad since coming back and one would HOPE he could at least catch the ones he should, against a bad team.  The big thing he’s supposed to have are great hands.. that’s really proving to not be the case.   In retrospect, Ladd was the pick and they blew it.

two very different upsides. Ladd isn't there to win contested catches, will run different routes, and also he's 2.5 years older

[Sweats]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

from a guy who just chastised someone for claiming a lack of 'emotional investment' as a 'coping mechanism'

 

yeah no try again

 

 

 

 

A swing........and a miss

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Yikes, this was discouraging.  

 

He gave Keon a better overall grade than he did Odunze. Aside from Nabers, Thomas Jr., McConkey, and maybe Harrison Jr. this class is a work in progress IMO. 

[RyanC883]

yeah, over the year it looks like he's not a #1 WR, that's fine.  He looks like a great #2 WR to me.  I'd still go after that #1 X guy in the draft or FA.  

[JimmyNoodles]

Seems like a lot to say about what for all intents and purposes was a scrimmage yesterday.  Keon had a nice year, 19 yards a catch and 4Tds.  He's agile for guy his size.  If he works on his footwork this offseason, you'll see a different guy with his ability to separate and run more precise routes.  All that said, he's still a #2 type guy.  The Bills should look for more speed in the draft next year.    

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

ok

 

he has not flashed mid first round talent, to me, at all. he has flashed really good athleticism at the catchpoint, good hands, and size that translates on field. he has also shown a pedestrian understanding of leverage and a below-nfl-average ability to disengage from coverage. combined imo those are the traits of a second/third rounder which not coincidentally he actually was. the disappointment isnt necessarily in the player but that he wasn't able to elevate from his draft position

 

When you draft a WR in the first round, this is basically what you're looking for. Keep in mind the Hawks have a VERY good secondary. 

 

I dunno where the narrative in this thread for Coleman comes from.