One Thing: Keon looked terrible yesterday

[JerseyBills]

It was strange vs the Jets, when game was close, Coleman was getting way more burn than Amari

I like to think that was a decision based off knowing we'd win and getting him as many reps as possible as a rookie coming back from injury. 

Hopefully we're playing 4d chess and will unleash Cooper in the playoffs, right now,  you can argue Keon is WR4 behind Hollins, but he still has a role and can be dangerous 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

23 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

Coleman may turn out to be just fine, but I was pushing for McConkey prior to the draft also.

Mcconkey would’ve been a really strange pick imo.  Big bodied wr that can catch jump balls and is a dog in run blocking was exactly what we wanted.  Our roster is really crowded at slot wr and mcconkey could probably have some success outside but has just as many question marks if you’re expecting to line him up outside for the majority of the time as Keon has 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 03:48 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Back2Buff]

34 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Tbh I think he’d be better in the slot. He could run a quick route, turn around and box out the smaller slot corner. Almost like an inbound pass in basketball.

 

I don’t think he’ll ever be a great boundary WR, but he can still be productive and worth an early 2nd round pick.

 

His hands are not quick enough to play the slot.  We all seen what it looks like vs Miami at the goal line.

[DrDawkinstein]

[Logic]

First I'll give the caveat that Coleman HAS shown potential this season, his RAC has been impressive, and I've not in any way given up hope that he'll be a good and useful WR for the Bills moving forward.

That said, I'm with Matt Harmon and others who have stated: Coleman's best chance at sustained success in the NFL is as a big slot and to be used similarly to the way the Chiefs use Rashee Rice. Sticking him outside at X and telling him to win against outside corners regularly is never going to be his strong suit.

Having a big, strong jump ball guy on this roster -- so that when the play breaks down and Josh is rolling out, he has a target to launch it down field to -- is valuable. But I think that in order for Keon to be successful beyond that, it will take intelligent scheming, and it will require improvement on his part in terms of route running and the nuances of the position.
 

[Johnny Bravo]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

How many big plodding wideouts are successful in the NFL anymore?   I don't think he is a guy you can stick outside and expect tons of production from.   If you go back and look at Gabe Davis' from his rookie and 2nd year I think you'll see a very comparable player.   Not especially fast, doesn't catch the ball incredibly well but can give you some production as a big slot and on go routes. 

 

Maybe in time he will be something special, but I think the more likely outcome is a Michael Wilson/Gabe Davis type.    

 

 

He and Gabe are both big receivers, but the similarities end there.  Keon can make contested catches and run after the catch.  The next time Gabe does either of things it will be the first.

[UKBillFan]

I'm not going to judge him from yesterday. It felt like he had one eye on the defender rather than the ball, which he hasn't really done for the rest of the season. I guess he was sent out there with instructions that protecting himself was far more important than advancing the ball, and rightly so.

[hjnick]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

He wears number zero for a reason

HOUSE is the best... hahahahaahaha

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

We need to be better at drafting in general.  You can only stay on top so long when you're picking at the bottom of the 1st every year.    Beane's last few drafts have been less than stellar.  

2022: Cook, Bernard, Shakir, Benford (4 quality starters)

2023: Kincaid, Torrence, Williams (2 quality starters and a solid back-up. only had 6 picks)

2024: TBD but Coleman, Bishop, Carter, Davis, Pran-Granger, Ulofoshio, Soloman, Grable, and even Hardy may all develop into good players

 

Most teams would kill for drafts like those. 6 starters on a 13-4 team. 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

He did indeed look bad yesterday.  Maybe he was just disinterested and not putting in any effort but still not a good look to have on your film reel.   I sincerely hope McBeane have a plan to keep filling out the WR room because I know defense is gonna be soaking up majority of our draft picks this offseason.  

 

We need to be better at drafting in general.  You can only stay on top so long when you're picking at the bottom of the 1st every year.    Beane's last few drafts have been less than stellar.  

 

WAT?!?

[KentuckyBillsFan]

Friendly tip: Completely erase your memory of yesterday's game. There is absolutely nothing of substance to take away from it.

[HappyDays]

Nobody wants to hear this but the real evaluation for Coleman starts next year. He was a player you drafted for the long term, not for year one. He has no idea what he's doing out there, he's just getting by on pure physical ability. Like Spencer Brown his first couple years. Hopefully Adam Henry can do what Aaron Kromer did.

 

I wish Coleman had built on his game against Seattle, unfortunately he got injured and then regressed and kind of plateaued the rest of the season. But he's going to be just 22 years old in May. He comes from primarily a basketball background. So this is not a finished product. Supposedly he has a great work ethic and I know he spent a good chunk of this past offseason at a private camp with a WR coach. He needs to put in a ton of work this offseason and learn the nuances of the position, while probably un-learning some of what he knows from his basketball days.

[Coach Tuesday]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Nobody wants to hear this but the real evaluation for Coleman starts next year. He was a player you drafted for the long term, not for year one. He has no idea what he's doing out there, he's just getting by on pure physical ability. Like Spencer Brown his first couple years. Hopefully Adam Henry can do what Aaron Kromer did.

 

I wish Coleman had built on his game against Seattle, unfortunately he got injured and then regressed and kind of plateaued the rest of the season. But he's going to be just 22 years old in May. He comes from primarily a basketball background. So this is not a finished product. Supposedly he has a great work ethic and I know he spent a good chunk of this past offseason at a private camp with a WR coach. He needs to put in a ton of work this offseason and learn the nuances of the position, while probably un-learning some of what he knows from his basketball days.

 

This is exactly right.  He has a TON of work to do this offseason and it will set him up (better or worse) for the main trajectory of his career.  Does he want to be great?  If so he has a lot of work to put in.  If he wants to crack jokes and try to coast by on his athleticism he will have a short career.  But the ceiling remains very high.

[Pete]

23 minutes ago, Logic said:

First I'll give the caveat that Coleman HAS shown potential this season, his RAC has been impressive, and I've not in any way given up hope that he'll be a good and useful WR for the Bills moving forward.

That said, I'm with Matt Harmon and others who have stated: Coleman's best chance at sustained success in the NFL is as a big slot and to be used similarly to the way the Chiefs use Rashee Rice. Sticking him outside at X and telling him to win against outside corners regularly is never going to be his strong suit.

Having a big, strong jump ball guy on this roster -- so that when the play breaks down and Josh is rolling out, he has a target to launch it down field to -- is valuable. But I think that in order for Keon to be successful beyond that, it will take intelligent scheming, and it will require improvement on his part in terms of route running and the nuances of the position.
 

Where does Shakir go?

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Nobody wants to hear this but the real evaluation for Coleman starts next year. He was a player you drafted for the long term, not for year one. He has no idea what he's doing out there, he's just getting by on pure physical ability. Like Spencer Brown his first couple years. Hopefully Adam Henry can do what Aaron Kromer did.

 

I wish Coleman had built on his game against Seattle, unfortunately he got injured and then regressed and kind of plateaued the rest of the season. But he's going to be just 22 years old in May. He comes from primarily a basketball background. So this is not a finished product. Supposedly he has a great work ethic and I know he spent a good chunk of this past offseason at a private camp with a WR coach. He needs to put in a ton of work this offseason and learn the nuances of the position, while probably un-learning some of what he knows from his basketball days.

 

 

I would say he was slightly better than I expected as a rookie.   I thought he had a Davante-Adams-type ceiling but was much more raw entering the league.    Took Adams a couple years to learn how to translate his athleticism into skill.   Neither had the benefit of elite speed or a quickness.  I thought he'd have low numbers like Adams did early in his career,  but he exceeded my expectations. If he doesn't get hurt he might have actually gotten up around 700 yards.

[thenorthremembers]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

He and Gabe are both big receivers, but the similarities end there.  Keon can make contested catches and run after the catch.  The next time Gabe does either of things it will be the first.

 

I think you're really underselling the similarities.   Similar size, similar speed, similar hands.    Each of them has overinflated yards per catch statistics because both of them are 9 route specialists.   Just because Keon has high pointed a few passes this year because he is a basketball player doesnt mean he is great at contested catches.    Gabe got a lot of crap here for having bad hands, meanwhile he never had as bad a season as Keon who is currently at 50% catch rate. 

 

There is some recency bias with Keon but if he continues to play like he did this year his act will wear thin as well. 

[Kirby Jackson]

He has 5 catches on 17 targets over the last 2 weeks for 58 receiving yards. That’s not good enough. We always had issues with Gabe’s catch percentage. I hate to be the messenger but Gabe’s catch percentage was higher in each of his 4 years here than Coleman’s. They both have excellent yards per reception.
 

I’m not ready to throw him in the dumpster. There are some things that he does well. At this point though, he isn’t a very good receiver for where he was picked. His ceiling is a role player, and a pretty good one, IMO. I don’t know if he is a top 2 guy at any point and Shakir has the slot locked down. Maybe he can grow into the other piece next to Amari (or whoever ends up as the number 1). At this point though, he looks like a piece and not a guy. That’s not great for pick 33. He has a lot of growth to get where he needs to be. 

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Nobody wants to hear this but the real evaluation for Coleman starts next year. He was a player you drafted for the long term, not for year one. He has no idea what he's doing out there, he's just getting by on pure physical ability. Like Spencer Brown his first couple years. Hopefully Adam Henry can do what Aaron Kromer did.

 

I wish Coleman had built on his game against Seattle, unfortunately he got injured and then regressed and kind of plateaued the rest of the season. But he's going to be just 22 years old in May. He comes from primarily a basketball background. So this is not a finished product. Supposedly he has a great work ethic and I know he spent a good chunk of this past offseason at a private camp with a WR coach. He needs to put in a ton of work this offseason and learn the nuances of the position, while probably un-learning some of what he knows from his basketball days.

Good post @HappyDays. That’s such an important piece. He’s far from a finished product. Let’s hope that the progression and growth happens.

[Mango]

He was meh yesterday. I got called into work yesterday so didn't watch as closely as I normally would. But y big take away was that he wasn't put in great situations to succeed. 

I certainly would have like him to hall one or two of those in. There was one pass on I believe a crosser I wish he would have pulled in. But other than that the rest were basically hail mary balls. But I was also impressed he was able to bring in that sideline ball he had no business catching. But Mitch pushed it too far out of bounds. 

[Pete]

Would you rather have Coleman, Samuel, or Hollins as WR alongside Amari and Shakir?

 

Hollins is always making key blocks, picks, catches.  The more you watch Mack’s game, the more you appreciate 

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Nobody wants to hear this but the real evaluation for Coleman starts next year. He was a player you drafted for the long term, not for year one. He has no idea what he's doing out there, he's just getting by on pure physical ability. Like Spencer Brown his first couple years. Hopefully Adam Henry can do what Aaron Kromer did.

 

I wish Coleman had built on his game against Seattle, unfortunately he got injured and then regressed and kind of plateaued the rest of the season. But he's going to be just 22 years old in May. He comes from primarily a basketball background. So this is not a finished product. Supposedly he has a great work ethic and I know he spent a good chunk of this past offseason at a private camp with a WR coach. He needs to put in a ton of work this offseason and learn the nuances of the position, while probably un-learning some of what he knows from his basketball days.

the physical tools are there. i'm fine waiting a season or two for them to be realized (provided we put the right coaching around him obviously)

 

that said i think we are running away w the super bowl this year if we spend a little to move up and draft brian thomas jr insead