One Thing: Keon looked terrible yesterday

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

yeah catching those Mac Jones passes just really inflates your stats

I was just thinking how crazy it would be for a first round LSU WR to put up top 4 receiving yards in their rookie year and end up being a superstar. It’s only happened twice in the last 4 years.

[SoMAn]

18 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I realize he was being thrown to by Trubisky and White instead of Allen, but against a bad secondary he got zero separation yesterday. Two catches on ten targets. 

 

He's shown some real flashes this season, but I'd say I'm more worried about him and his prospects now than I have been before this game. 

I’m thoroughly unimpressed with Coleman. If high-pointing jump balls is his sole contribution to the offense, he’s nothing more than a role player.  He’s not particularly quick, doesn’t get separation, and so far, doesn’t win contested-throw battles. Rarely catches anything other than a clean unobstructed ball with no defender making a play. 

Josh still needs a reliable receiver that can separate in the designed route. Too much of Josh running around while steering receivers with hand motions. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I was just thinking how crazy it would be for a first round LSU WR to put up top 4 receiving yards in their rookie year and end up being a superstar. It’s only happened twice in the last 4 years.

slow down on superstar, jefferson and chase were only 4th in the league in receiving yards as rookies...third being merely 'good' they're basically average

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

FWIW on OBL Eric Wood commented about Keon "I give him a pass on many of those, they weren't necessarily catchable"

 

Eric is wrong. 

[The Helmet of]

There’s a theory circulating that Buffalo reversed tanked this game.  Keon may have been told to dial it back. What’s the point of balling out in a game that has less significance than a preseason game… when losing helps you maintain dominance of the division…

[RunTheBall]

Expectations - reality = disappointment

 

It really depends on what you expected out of Keon in his first year as a second round WR 

 

My expectations were low, so I’m pretty happy with what he’s done his rookie year.

 

I think the Poyer cheap shot set him back as he was coming on week to week and that came to a screeching halt post injury

 

My expectations for next year will be higher, so we will see if he meets them.

 

Btw, anyone trying to take anything out of a less than pre season game against 2 teams trying to lose really needs a better understanding of football.

[Blackbeard]

29 minutes ago, The Helmet of said:

There’s a theory circulating that Buffalo reversed tanked this game.  Keon may have been told to dial it back. What’s the point of balling out in a game that has less significance than a preseason game… when losing helps you maintain dominance of the division…

It’s definitely not far fetched.  
 

And if you’re the Broncos, why bother focusing at all on Coleman.  Right?

 

There are things going on in the NFL NONE of us know about.  Strategies were not privy to. Almost everything that occurs is done for a reason. 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

There are things going on in the NFL NONE of us know about.  Strategies were not privy to. Almost everything that occurs is done for a reason. 

Can’t wait to hear the back story on Norwood in SB XXV. 😂

[Puckman5]

23 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Josh Allen ended his start with 0 completions and 0 yards. Should we bench him?

Mitch looked competent yesterday.  QB controversy at least?   

[eball]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Eric is wrong. 

 

Well, the Buffalo News guys agree with him.  In their “report card” today they specifically mention 4 or 5 of the targets to Keon that were not realistically catchable.

 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Well, the Buffalo News guys agree with him.  In their “report card” today they specifically mention 4 or 5 of the targets to Keon that were not realistically catchable.

 

 

They were only not catchable because of where he gets himself. It is his route running and concession of leverage that makes the balls uncatchable. A couple of the ball placements can be bettet but they were there to make a play on if Keon actually runs the route, maintains his leverage and positions himself properly on the field. Instead he is trying to play off contact all the time. It is infuriating to watch.

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They were only not catchable because of where he gets himself. It is his route running and concession of leverage that makes the balls uncatchable. A couple of the ball placements can be bettet but they were there to make a play on if Keon actually runs the route, maintains his leverage and positions himself properly on the field. Instead he is trying to play off contact all the time. It is infuriating to watch.

If if and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas.  How do you know the route?

 

Coleman catches a TD pass Sunday.

[Mat68]

What makes him dangerous is his body control.  Allen has elite ball placement.  White and Trubisky have small odds making those plays to Coleman.  They dont have the arm talent to consistently hit it 

[stuvian]

Also the slowest guy in the warm up

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If if and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas.  How do you know the route?

 

Coleman catches a TD pass Sunday.

 

They are standard routes in the route tree. 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are standard routes in the route tree. 

You don’t know what plays are being called.  None of us do.

[Bray Wyatt]

I have been pleasantly surprised with Keon. Most of what people said about him being slow etc. had my expectations lowered. But he has made plays this year that I believe show a lot of promise. He certainly has a lot to improve, but I believe they are fixable. When they show his releases in that Steve Smith video, it would seem to me he just needs to simplify it, make one move and go. With his size and strength he should be able to win at the LOS. They even say he is more quick than fast which I do not think is a knock for someone his size. His RAC ability is good.

 

Keon is someone we took for who he could be, not for who he is now, lets give him some time to get there. 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Joe Marino said the All-22 tape didn't come out as normal yesterday so I didn't get his breakdown yet, but he said that Coleman was a player he wanted to analyze. 

 

Its not disputable that he couldn't separate from Patriots depth corners, except on one drag route. 

 

The deep ball to the end zone he was blanketed. 

 

Can't pull another Gabe Davis and just bank on him getting better. 

3 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Expectations - reality = disappointment

 

It really depends on what you expected out of Keon in his first year as a second round WR 

 

My expectations were low, so I’m pretty happy with what he’s done his rookie year.

 

I think the Poyer cheap shot set him back as he was coming on week to week and that came to a screeching halt post injury

 

My expectations for next year will be higher, so we will see if he meets them.

 

Btw, anyone trying to take anything out of a less than pre season game against 2 teams trying to lose really needs a better understanding of football.

He had 1 catch in that game before the Poyer hit. 

 

So that narrative is off the back of the Titans and Seahawks games in back to back weeks, but the Miami game he had 1 catch before the Poyer shot with 1-minute left in the 4th-Quarter.  

[eball]

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They were only not catchable because of where he gets himself. It is his route running and concession of leverage that makes the balls uncatchable. A couple of the ball placements can be bettet but they were there to make a play on if Keon actually runs the route, maintains his leverage and positions himself properly on the field. Instead he is trying to play off contact all the time. It is infuriating to watch.

 

So is this something you have noticed all year?  If so, it appears to be a coaching issue and not a talent issue.  Do you agree?

 

[The Jokeman]

Despite not getting great separation Coleman was still 4th in the entire league in YPC this season. He also had 215 YAC which put him around same range as George Pickens (Coleman had 30 less catches) and Jordan Addison (Coleman had 34 less catches). I think the key is we find ways to get him the ball in his hands. As he's clearly a playmaker if he can catch it.