One Thing: Keon looked terrible yesterday

[ghostwriter]

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

He wears number zero for a reason

Yeah because he gets zero separation.

[Billsatlastin2018]

Tee Higgins is the star, that I would like Coleman to be on the Bills! 

 

EVERY time I see that guy he is snatching contested balls out of the air and holding on to them, while being tackled by 2-3 defenders!

ALL the tough stuff.

 

He is only 25!

And 6-4!

 

If Cooper isn’t available, love to see this guy in a BILLS uni in 2025! 

[3rdand12]

10 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I realize he was being thrown to by Trubisky and White instead of Allen, but against a bad secondary he got zero separation yesterday. Two catches on ten targets. 

 

He's shown some real flashes this season, but I'd say I'm more worried about him and his prospects now than I have been before this game. 

You created quite a thread. 39 reactions of every sort. Thats a win Dr.

I did Not see the game so no opinion here. Coleman has made some fine plays this season is all I can add

 Watching grandkids is an honest excuse btw

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

lol. Folks in here acting like their entire memory reset on Jan 1...

 

 

Context and perception .Its against a freaking LB who should not be in coverage and his one foot is still on the turf quite nearly !

But agreed the Kid has some skills. 1st year Low targets per game overall=less exp

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're right Beck....the Bills have never traded up for a player in their history.  And while we're at it I never mentioned once another target player other than Thomas. Maybe your the one "pining" for a version of Coleman that doesn't exist yet. Newsflash mensa...Thomas put up the numbers that he did because he's likely to be a great wr, not because of the other nonsense you're spewing.  Oh and did I mention he's on a rookie deal unlike the other guys you're clearly "pining" for.  And finally if Beane really wanted to he could've found a way to trade up without breaking the bank.  

 

What a load of non-sequitors in response. 

No claim was made by anyone that the Bills have never traded up for a player in their history.  That's your man 'o straw. 

That indicates It's probably not worth my time to respond, but what the hell - I'll try once.  A further response from you with cracks about "mensa" and "nonsense I'm spewing" will earn you a fast ignore. 

 

Obviously, Beane has a history of trading up for players.  Outside of the Allen and Edmunds trade-ups which included capitol acquired starting with the 2017 draft and continuing throughout the 2017 season Beane has traded up twice in the first:

2022 Pick 130 (a 4th round) and a swap of 1sts to go up 2 spots for Kaiir Elam

2023 Pick 130 (a 4th round) and a swap of 1sts to go up 2 spots for Dalton Kincaid

Brian Thomas Jr was not available when the Bills picked.  That's a fact.  To be able to draft Thomas, the Bills would have had to move up at least 6 spots in the 1st, from 28 to 22.  That's a value of about 120 points, which is a late 3rd with maybe a 6th or a next year's 5th back.  Yeah, yeah "if Beane really wanted to", the reality is that other GMs aren't going to give their 1st round pick away without fair value, and that means using some of the draft picks that allow Beane more "shots on goal" to keep the roster stocked.  Example: the six-spot tradeup from 22 to 16 in 2018 that resulted in Tremaine Edmunds required using 65, a pick at the top of the 3rd round.  And, one more time: we didn't have a 3rd round pick going into the 2024 draft.

 

The Jags roster and what happened to their WR corps is also fact.  The point isn't to diss off Thomas as a receiver - he's a good receiver and may become a great receiver, sure.  The point is that the Jags had no run game to speak of and no other receivers to speak of, so he got a lot of targets.  Put an equally talented receiver on the Bills who had fewer total passing attempts, and more targets to divide those attempts between, and he wouldn't be standing out to as one of the top receivers in the league for yards.  Or maybe he would, I don't know - maybe you compulsively watch Jaguars games and study their film.  I don't.

As far as me "pining" for better WR, my opinion here is a matter of record and I have receipts: I think that Beane and the Bills have underaddressed the WR position and underresourced it in the draft.  But the guys I mentioned are all players the Bills could have actually realistically have drafted - unlike Thomas, who would have required a trade-up the Bills did not have draft capital to move up for last draft.   

Edited yesterday at 12:14 AM by Beck Water

[muppy]

a few observations: opinions are varied and valuable in regards to Keon Coleman. I think his seasonal analysis cannot be complete until after the playoffs. When it counts for all the marbles and the Bright Lights and Pressure are really on.

 

I'm feeling it for him lol.  I wonder if he does. I really don't know.

 

Is he a piece of  coal about to become a diamond in the playoffs??

 

YES PLEASE

 

Go Bills!

[3rdand12]

32 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Tee Higgins is the star, that I would like Coleman to be on the Bills! 

 

EVERY time I see that guy he is snatching contested balls out of the air and holding on to them, while being tackled by 2-3 defenders!

ALL the tough stuff.

 

He is only 25!

And 6-4!

 

If Cooper isn’t available, love to see this guy in a BILLS uni in 2025! 

it will take All the Money.

Not against it

and no to try/eek Hill at 26 mil or whatever

 Higgins is the guy to lust over for sure.

 

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Context and perception .Its against a freaking LB who should not be in coverage and his one foot is still on the turf quite nearly !

But agreed the Kid has some skills. 1st year Low targets per game overall=less exp

 

Just a couple little points: Coleman was not being covered by a LB on that play.  He was being covered by cornerback DJ Reed.  It was a scramble drill, and Reed was tryin' to keep up as Coleman shot towards the post then reversed at Allen's hand signal and ran back towards the corner.  The LB was just trying to get into the party when he realized Allen was still on his feet and there were 2 receivers in the end zone.

 

And no, perceiving Coleman's foot as nearly on the turf is an optical illusion of that angle, it was actually ~ the LB's knee.

You can watch the whole play unfold here if you like.  
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/can-t-miss-play-keon-coleman-s-high-point-td-catch-caps-josh-allen-s-heave-bills-vs-jets-week-17

[3rdand12]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Just a couple little points: Coleman was not being covered by a LB on that play.  He was being covered by cornerback DJ Reed.  It was a scramble drill, and Reed was tryin' to keep up as Coleman shot towards the post then reversed at Allen's hand signal and ran back towards the corner.  The LB was just trying to get into the party when he realized Allen was still on his feet and there were 2 receivers in the end zone.

 

And no, perceiving Coleman's foot as nearly on the turf is an optical illusion of that angle, it was actually ~ the LB's knee.

You can watch the whole play unfold here if you like.  
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/can-t-miss-play-keon-coleman-s-high-point-td-catch-caps-josh-allen-s-heave-bills-vs-jets-week-17

I was suggesting the LBs foot was closer to turf than the photo might have you think in regard to comparing this a High point. Which it is of course. Just being semi contradictory for moment 😋

It's a fine catch in it's own right regardless !

 

Thank you for helping me with context and clarity always and sincerely Beck

[Sojourner]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

it will take All the Money.

Not against it

and no to try/eek Hill at 26 mil or whatever

 Higgins is the guy to lust over for sure.

 

If Tyreek could be had for $20m I don’t know how you say no. That would be a land for this offense. Opens everything up even more for Shakir/DK-DK/Coleman. He’s going back to KC if anywhere imo. 

[3rdand12]

Just now, Sojourner said:

If Tyreek could be had for $20m I don’t know how you say no. That would be a land for this offense. Opens everything up even more for Shakir/DK-DK/Coleman. He’s going back to KC if anywhere imo. 

I could say no. Rental year ? maybe.

 Now that Higgins fella ??

[Mike in Horseheads]

I thought the guy looked like he getting mugged by the DB's on a couple of those incomplete pass's , but any more I have no idea what PI is

[<bills4life>]

9 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

Coleman may turn out to be just fine, but I was pushing for McConkey prior to the draft also.

Same here

[Beck Water]

18 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

If Tyreek could be had for $20m I don’t know how you say no. That would be a land for this offense. Opens everything up even more for Shakir/DK-DK/Coleman. He’s going back to KC if anywhere imo. 

 

I could say "no" at $20M very easily. 

After Tyreek left KC, Mahomes had a career year with insane passing numbers, all pro, and league MVP.  It was commented then that Mahomes was playing more freely and comfortably because he didn't feed any pressure to "feed" Hill and could just go where the defense took him on each play.

 

Kind of like some of the commentary about Allen playing freer and more comfortably and just being able to take what the defense gives him this season.

 

In any event it's a moot point.  Hill is under contract in Miami through 2026 for $10M fully guaranteed salary plus a $1M signing bonus, but that's because the Dolphins treated a $17M 2024 option bonus like a signing bonus and amortized it.  They'll carry something like $28M of dead cap if they trade the "Cheetah", they'll want to be compensated, and they won't be wanting to trade him in the division.
 

16 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I thought the guy looked like he getting mugged by the DB's on a couple of those incomplete pass's , but any more I have no idea what PI is

 

He was.  Hollins was also mugged on a couple.

 

I think the refs hadn't gotten the memo that they were supposed to be helping the Patriots lose this game.

Edited yesterday at 12:32 AM by Beck Water

[716to540]

One thing for sure is the Bills didn't game plan this one at all. V-A-N-I-L-L-A.

[NORWOODS FOOT]

He’s not Worthy

[QCity]

2 minutes ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

He’s not Worthy

[3rdand12]

well

https://www.google.com/search?q=Im+not+worthy+SNL&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS932US932&oq=Im+not+worthy+SNL&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTE0MzA5ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:8dd97251,vid:jjaqrPpdQYc,st:0

[Simon]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Just a couple little points: Coleman was not being covered by a LB on that play.  He was being covered by cornerback DJ Reed.  It was a scramble drill, and Reed was tryin' to keep up as Coleman shot towards the post then reversed at Allen's hand signal and ran back towards the corner.  The LB was just trying to get into the party when he realized Allen was still on his feet and there were 2 receivers in the end zone.

 

I think the 'backer was down there because he was chasing Ty Johnson on the wheel.

And I'm still enjoying the the fact that DJ Reed had such a special day out there. 

I don't know what he said to Josh Allen or when he said it, but he'll be ruing that one indefinitely. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

What a load of non-sequitors in response. 

No claim was made by anyone that the Bills have never traded up for a player in their history.  That's your man 'o straw. 

That indicates It's probably not worth my time to respond, but what the hell - I'll try once.  A further response from you with cracks about "mensa" and "nonsense I'm spewing" will earn you a fast ignore. 

 

Obviously, Beane has a history of trading up for players.  Outside of the Allen and Edmunds trade-ups which included capitol acquired starting with the 2017 draft and continuing throughout the 2017 season Beane has traded up twice in the first:

2022 Pick 130 (a 4th round) and a swap of 1sts to go up 2 spots for Kaiir Elam

2023 Pick 130 (a 4th round) and a swap of 1sts to go up 2 spots for Dalton Kincaid

Brian Thomas Jr was not available when the Bills picked.  That's a fact.  To be able to draft Thomas, the Bills would have had to move up at least 6 spots in the 1st, from 28 to 22.  That's a value of about 120 points, which is a late 3rd with maybe a 6th or a next year's 5th back.  Yeah, yeah "if Beane really wanted to", the reality is that other GMs aren't going to give their 1st round pick away without fair value, and that means using some of the draft picks that allow Beane more "shots on goal" to keep the roster stocked.  Example: the six-spot tradeup from 22 to 16 in 2018 that resulted in Tremaine Edmunds required using 65, a pick at the top of the 3rd round.  And, one more time: we didn't have a 3rd round pick going into the 2024 draft.

 

The Jags roster and what happened to their WR corps is also fact.  The point isn't to diss off Thomas as a receiver - he's a good receiver and may become a great receiver, sure.  The point is that the Jags had no run game to speak of and no other receivers to speak of, so he got a lot of targets.  Put an equally talented receiver on the Bills who had fewer total passing attempts, and more targets to divide those attempts between, and he wouldn't be standing out to as one of the top receivers in the league for yards.  Or maybe he would, I don't know - maybe you compulsively watch Jaguars games and study their film.  I don't.

As far as me "pining" for better WR, my opinion here is a matter of record and I have receipts: I think that Beane and the Bills have underaddressed the WR position and underresourced it in the draft.  But the guys I mentioned are all players the Bills could have actually realistically have drafted - unlike Thomas, who would have required a trade-up the Bills did not have draft capital to move up for last draft.   

Brian Thomas Jr a 'good' receiver is crazy underselling what he did this yr

 

He's 3rd in the league in yards and 16th in targets as a rookie

[DeepPass]

12 hours ago, Steptide said:

Question is, if Allen was playing would he even have thrown the ball to him? Probably not. His day probably looked worse because backup qbs were throwing to him while he was blanketed. I think Coleman is good but he needs the full compliment of receivers out there to help draw coverage. He's a rookie. He will improve. 

Agree 100%.  He's got nothing on his own.