One Thing: Keon looked terrible yesterday

[GuardianAngel]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

So the good news is that his usage yesterday wasn't real. It was literally just non-stop jump balls regardless of his leverage or the coverage scheme. In fact I would bet anything the team schemed those up intentionally to get him some reps and get some teachable moments on film in a meaningless game. They know what Coleman's strengths are at this point in his career. He'll be used appropriately in the playoffs.

Pretty much what I was thinking. I felt like it was pretty obvious they were just hucking down field for him to go up and make grabs. What better time to practice than in a game that has no consequences?

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

These are all valid points. Obviously as @Beck Water said, he is used to Josh's velocity & timing. Going from 17 to Trubisky/White is a huge drop off.  Hopefully he amps it up in the playoffs because we're going to need him.  On a side note, Keon leads all rookie wrs with a 19.3 yds/ reception avg.  When he does get one, it's a chunk play.

Really great rec average. He also missed I think 4-5 games. Dude had a great rookie season.

3 hours ago, Figster said:

I'll take it,

 

Allen and Coleman have developed good chemistry. Myself personally, Keon Coleman will excel better in the short to intermediate pass range and has a skill set much like a Stevie Johnson. Allens mid range cannon shots on a rope put the ball up their higher where only Keon can reach them.

 

My two cents... 

Love your take!

[Warriorspikes51]

4D Chess he was instructed to tank 

[DrDawkinstein]

35 minutes ago, GuardianAngel said:

Pretty much what I was thinking. I felt like it was pretty obvious they were just hucking down field for him to go up and make grabs. What better time to practice than in a game that has no consequences?

 

Oh there can be consequences...

 

 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

He fights back to the ball plenty.  I think his instructions for yesterday were, "Don't".

 

Bingo.

 

22 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

4D Chess he was instructed to tank 

 

No, he was instructed to protect himself.

Just like everybody else was.

And they all did.

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

No, he was instructed to protect himself.

Just like everybody else was.

And they all did.

why so hard for some to understand this?

[GuardianAngel]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh there can be consequences...

 

 

That is an absolutely fair point. Though it's also fair to point out that a season ending injury can happen during any point of the season, we as fans just gnash are teeth harder when it comes on garbage games. 

But as it stands we live at a time where Coleman is uninjured, and people are just losing the plot over play that happened in a game where he likely was told "go for it but don't try to hard". 


 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

What the hell is your point here?  Do you want to list every single promising player who was not available when the Bills drafted and pine after them, too?

 

It's not like we could have worked a simple trade of a 4th and swap up 2 slots last year to draft Thomas.   He was drafted 6 slots before us and we didn't have a 3rd round pick going into the draft.  

 

And in case you didn't notice, the Jags finished 4-13 with the #26 rated offense on points; the Bills finished #2; #9 for passing yards vs the Jags #24.  They started the year with Christian Kirk and Gabe Davis ahead of Thomas as WR, and both of them were injured by November; Devin Duvernay spent October and early Nov on IR.  Thomas put up the numbers he did because he was competing for targets with Parker Washington (6th round) and Tim Jones (who?) and he was getting Fed.  

Thomas was the best WR on a bad team who just fired their head coach.

 

C'mon Man.  If you want to pine, Go Big. 

Pine after Justin Jefferson who was actually drafted with the pick the Bills traded away to get Diggs.  Or maybe pine after Amon-Ra St Brown who was drafted in the 4th; maybe Beane could have drafted him in the 2nd round instead of doubling down at DE and taking Boogie Basham - St Brown was forecast by pundits to go in the 2nd or 3rd. 

Toss in Puka Nacua if you want to.

 

 

You're right Beck....the Bills have never traded up for a player in their history.  And while we're at it I never mentioned once another target player other than Thomas. Maybe your the one "pining" for a version of Coleman that doesn't exist yet. Newsflash mensa...Thomas put up the numbers that he did because he's likely to be a great wr, not because of the other nonsense you're spewing.  Oh and did I mention he's on a rookie deal unlike the other guys you're clearly "pining" for.  And finally if Beane really wanted to he could've found a way to trade up without breaking the bank.  

[TheBrownBear]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

He is closer to #2 WR (his stats prior to injury were pacing for 800 yard 50 rec 6 TDs #GabeDavis!) but I still see your point and agree. Even if they resign Cooper who is older anyway Coleman elevating to a role he can be a #1 when called on is big on what moves they do long term for WR or not.

Yes, but Josh made Gabe Davis a "#2 WR", but we saw what he really was in Jax before his injury.  And Keon has worse efficiency numbers than Davis did with Josh. 

 

Coleman is light years away from reaching #1 WR status.  Just watch that Steve Smith breakdown up-thread.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're right Beck....the Bills have never traded up for a player in their history.  And while we're at it I never mentioned once another target player other than Thomas. Maybe your the one "pining" for a version of Coleman that doesn't exist yet. Newsflash mensa...Thomas put up the numbers that he did because he's likely to be a great wr, not because of the other nonsense you're spewing.  Oh and did I mention he's on a rookie deal unlike the other guys you're clearly "pining" for.  And finally if Beane really wanted to he could've found a way to trade up without breaking the bank.  

You might want to check out a guy named Josh Allen with respect to never trading up for anyone.

[I'mBuff]

8 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

McConkey, AD Mitchell (he would have eaten this year in the Bills offense), McMillian too.

So you want to take Shakir off the field?

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You might want to check out a guy named Josh Allen with respect to never trading up for anyone.

It's called sarcasm....

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It's called sarcasm....

It’s called facts and accuracy

[Simon]

24 minutes ago, nucci said:

why so hard for some to understand this?

 

I wonder if it's because folks sometimes forget these guys are just people too.

They don't want to wreck themselves for nothing a week before the games that will define their careers.

Every player in the game knows how to protect himself and most of them will do so if coach gives them permission.

Keon is not stupid; he knows when it's time to go and when it's time to slow.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, White Linen said:

I think we all knew he was going to have to work to realize his potential.  I still think there's enough there to remain hopeful.

I do too...I'm far from giving up on him. But his issues are obvious. The lack of speed will never magically improve. Maybe Brady (if he's around long enough) will find his strengths and match them up with Josh in the playbook.  Another concerning stat if you want to compare rookie players is Gabe had a 57% catch rate his rookie season.  And we all know what kind of hands he had.  Keon this year just finished at 50%.  And if he lacks the ability to separate,  then the 50/50 balls will simply translate to a career around 50%.  Believe me I hope I'm wrong. 

[Dr.Sack]

“Think of Keon as a matchup TE.”
 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It’s called facts and accuracy

Dude, I'm well aware of the dozens of times the Bills have traded up in their drafts.  

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dude, I'm well aware of the dozens of times the Bills have traded up in their drafts.  

Good to know.  I’m not as down on a rookie WR as you are.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Good to know.  I’m not as down on a rookie WR as you are.

I'm just making observations to his obvious issues. If people want to ignore them that's their right. I'm rooting for him to make me wrong.  I'm rooting for him to bust out next year.  But I'm also not going to sit here and pretend these issues don't exist.  And to one final observation, if he was told to "back it down" yesterday for safety reasons, why was he out there for as long as he was?  Risking another injury in his rookie year?  He didn't have any incentives to hit?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

He was abysmal yesterday. I don’t think it’s an indictment of his entire career however. That, my friend, starts Sunday at 1.