Chris Grier and Mike McDaniels will return to Dolphins next season, team announces

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

It kinda is, right? 

 

They drew KC round 1 last year. They lost with a massive QB disadvantage.

 

They were losing before that game though lol.  They had a massive 3 game divisional lead with just 6 games to go and blew it to a team that heading into week 11 was 5-5 and just fired their OC.  

 

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

 

2 years ago they drew the Bills round 1. They lost with a massive QB disadvantage and a backup QB starting to boot.

 

Yet the only reason Miami made the playoffs was because of that backup.  They lost 5 straight with Tua heading into the final game where its win or go home.  Skylar snapped the 5 game losing streak to limp in and nearly upset Josh Allen at home.  

 

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

 

Tua has as many wins against Mahomes in the playoffs as Josh does.

 

Why don’t you just admit these attempts to defend Miami is just a defacto defense of how you want Buffalo to spend on WRs.  
 

Because now you’re going to realm of ridiculous by even mentioning Josh Allen and the playoffs in the same post as Miami.  

 

Edited Saturday at 06:31 AM by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

All true- but remember they the games Tua missed in which they lost, was the soft spot of their schedule. (Titans, colts, Seahawks, jets)

Got to think they win 3 of those at least if he's healthy, which would have gotten them to 11 wins 

 

I think with Tua healthy, they are a 11 win team pretty consistently. (8-5 in 2022 for games he started, 11-6 in 2023, and very good chance at least 11 wins if he played those games against inferior opponents)

 

However, they still are a flawed team and it will always be a struggle for them to win playoff games based on how they are built 

 

 

 

I don't think they'd have won 11 in 2024 even with Tua healthy. 

[Doc Brown]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they'd have won 11 in 2024 even with Tua healthy. 

I think they get to 10.  I think they beat the Colts and Titans with a healthy Tua.  That's pry their ceiling though.  They'd be one and done against us this weekend.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

I think they get to 10.  I think they beat the Colts and Titans with a healthy Tua.  That's pry their ceiling though.  They'd be one and done against us this weekend.

 

Their problem against the Titans was they couldn't stop them. Is Tua playing defensive tackle?

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Their problem against the Titans was they couldn't stop them. Is Tua playing defensive tackle?

I remember that game being a field goal/ punt fest until Pollard broke out a long run.  It may have been a Miami blow out with Tua.  I remember watching it just in disbelief at how McDaniel didn't have a competent backup QB to run his offense.  Penalties galore on offense.  Miami only put up 184 yards compared to the Titans 222.  The Titans running up the score at the end because the Dolphins defense was gassed from all the three and outs Huntley had with his 96 passing yards. 

[BillsFan130]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they'd have won 11 in 2024 even with Tua healthy. 

Colts game they lost 16-10- Got to think dolphins easily would have won with Tua 

 

Titans are the worst team in football

 

Jets won last week because Huntley had like 3 straight turnovers

 

Seahawks game would have been 50/50.

You don't think they win at least 3 of those games?

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Colts game they lost 16-10- Got to think dolphins easily would have won with Tua 

 

Titans are the worst team in football

 

Jets won last week because Huntley had like 3 straight turnovers

 

Seahawks game would have been 50/50.

You don't think they win at least 3 of those games?

 

They beat the Jags by 3 points and should have lost. They only squeezed past the Jets the first time. No. I don't think it is a given they win 3 of those games. Possible, sure. Probable? I don't know. They were hardly a trustworthy team this year.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They beat the Jags by 3 points and should have lost. They only squeezed past the Jets the first time. No. I don't think it is a given they win 3 of those games. Possible, sure. Probable? I don't know. They were hardly a trustworthy team this year.

Fair- I'm not saying it's a given. But if I'm at gun point and someone asks me how many games they win out of those 4 listed, i would definitely say 3.

 

Even if they do win 2 of those 4- Would have gotten them to 10 wins and another playoff berth . (And keep in mind their top 2 pass rushers were basically out the whole year)

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I think they get to 10.  I think they beat the Colts and Titans with a healthy Tua.  That's pry their ceiling though.  They'd be one and done against us this weekend.

 

3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Colts game they lost 16-10- Got to think dolphins easily would have won with Tua 

 

Titans are the worst team in football

 

Jets won last week because Huntley had like 3 straight turnovers

 

Seahawks game would have been 50/50.

You don't think they win at least 3 of those games?

 

I see you guys trying to make a case for Tua and the Fins making the playoffs if Tua doesn't get hurt...but my question to is so what if they did, what does that change?  You think they spent all that money to be a fringe playoff team each season with no chance to advance?

 

They were the 7th seed in 2022 because Tua lost 5 straight to end the season making Skylar Thompson the savior for even making the playoffs when he stepped in on the final game of the season to snap the losing streak.  Entering week 11 they had an almost unsurmountable 3 game divisional lead last year and again with Tua, blew that and lost the division to a team that was 5-5 at that time and just fired their OC.  This year, 1-4 against winning teams with Tua.  

 

Not only did they choke in 2022 and 2023 with Tua, but in both seasons they had a better overall roster than they had this season.  And heading into this offseason, that roster is in even worse shape as the all in aging guns for hire are getting older, less reliable and they are set to lose guys most likely as well.  They still have OL issues which isn't ideal when your QB is injury prone and struggles under pressure, not to mention Tua may also lose Hill this offseason.

 

So I just can't see how making the playoffs as the 7th seed would have even mattered or be seen as a successful season or how they can turn it around in one season.

 

Edited Saturday at 05:31 PM by Alphadawg7

[BillsFan130]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I see you guys trying to make a case for Tua and the Fins making the playoffs if Tua doesn't get hurt...but my question to is so what if they did, what does that change?  You think they spent all that money to be a fringe playoff team each season with no chance to advance?

 

They were the 7th seed in 2022 because Tua lost 5 straight to end the season making Skylar Thompson the savior for even making the playoffs when he stepped in on the final game of the season to snap the losing streak.  Entering week 11 they had an almost unsurmountable 3 game divisional lead last year and again with Tua, blew that and lost the division to a team that was 5-5 at that time and just fired their OC.  This year, 1-4 against winning teams with Tua.  

 

Not only did they choke in 2022 and 2023 with Tua, but in both seasons they had a better overall roster than they had this season.  And heading into this offseason, that roster is in even worse shape as the all in aging guns for hire are getting older, less reliable and they are set to lose guys most likely as well.  They still have OL issues which isn't ideal when your QB is injury prone and struggles under pressure, not to mention Tua may also lose Hill this offseason.

 

So I just can't see how making the playoffs as the 7th seed would have even mattered or be seen as a successful season or how they can turn it around in one season.

 

For sure, I definitely don't disagree with you on that.

 

I just don't think they are as much as a dumpster fire as a lot of people let on.

 

I think if healthy, (as they have been decimated the last 3 years) their floor is 7 seed and their ceiling is 5 seed, and maybe win a wild card game against a weak afc south.

 

They overall are a pretty good team, they just have too many flaws to make a deep post season run 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I see you guys trying to make a case for Tua and the Fins making the playoffs if Tua doesn't get hurt...but my question to is so what if they did, what does that change?  You think they spent all that money to be a fringe playoff team each season with no chance to advance?

 

They were the 7th seed in 2022 because Tua lost 5 straight to end the season making Skylar Thompson the savior for even making the playoffs when he stepped in on the final game of the season to snap the losing streak.  Entering week 11 they had an almost unsurmountable 3 game divisional lead last year and again with Tua, blew that and lost the division to a team that was 5-5 at that time and just fired their OC.  This year, 1-4 against winning teams with Tua.  

 

Not only did they choke in 2022 and 2023 with Tua, but in both seasons they had a better overall roster than they had this season.  And heading into this offseason, that roster is in even worse shape as the all in aging guns for hire are getting older, less reliable and they are set to lose guys most likely as well.  They still have OL issues which isn't ideal when your QB is injury prone and struggles under pressure, not to mention Tua may also lose Hill this offseason.

 

So I just can't see how making the playoffs as the 7th seed would have even mattered or be seen as a successful season or how they can turn it around in one season.

 

I agree.  I wouldn't even consider them chokers but just not built to beat good to great teams.  They're screwed for a couple years until they can get out of the Tua contract.  I just think they would've squeaked in this year and been one and done.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

For sure, I definitely don't disagree with you on that.

 

I just don't think they are as much as a dumpster fire as a lot of people let on.

 

I think if healthy, (as they have been decimated the last 3 years) their floor is 7 seed and their ceiling is 5 seed, and maybe win a wild card game against a weak afc south.

 

They overall are a pretty good team, they just have too many flaws to make a deep post season run 

 

 

Fair, but if you look at the state of the roster right now, its in pretty bad shape and headed in the wrong direction with the aging guys they went all in on declining and getting older (and wanting out like Hill), some other guys they are expected to lose too, the contracts they have, etc.  Which is why I don't think Grier and McDaniels will be there much longer than this next season IMHO.

 

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree.  I wouldn't even consider them chokers but just not built to beat good to great teams.  They're screwed for a couple years until they can get out of the Tua contract.  I just think they would've squeaked in this year and been one and done.

 

Also fair, and that was the basis of really what my point was, they are poorly built and I don't see a quick fix for them...hence my expectation that Grier and McDaniels will be gone soon.

[BillsFan130]

30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Fair, but if you look at the state of the roster right now, its in pretty bad shape and headed in the wrong direction with the aging guys they went all in on declining and getting older (and wanting out like Hill), some other guys they are expected to lose too, the contracts they have, etc.  Which is why I don't think Grier and McDaniels will be there much longer than this next season IMHO.

 

 

Also fair, and that was the basis of really what my point was, they are poorly built and I don't see a quick fix for them...hence my expectation that Grier and McDaniels will be gone soon.

Ya that's very true- they really pushed their chips in the last few years, so you are right in saying it has been a failure.

 

Their cap situation is a mess as well. Will be interesting to see if they restructure more contracts this year to create more cap space and really go for it in 2025, or try to do a mini reset and trade hill, cut armstead, Chubb etc

[Doc Brown]

44 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Also fair, and that was the basis of really what my point was, they are poorly built and I don't see a quick fix for them...hence my expectation that Grier and McDaniels will be gone soon.

They should've moved on from them and Tua last year.  How much evidence did they need that their track team offense didn't work against good to great teams?

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They should've moved on from them and Tua last year.  How much evidence did they need that their track team offense didn't work against good to great teams?

 

Totally agree...to be honest, I am not so sure they don't clean house this year had they not extended McDaniels before the season began.