Chris Grier and Mike McDaniels will return to Dolphins next season, team announces

[Einstein's Dog]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect, but they have never passed into being more than a pretender.  If not for the playoff expansion in 2020, they would have zero playoff appearances.  And you don't spend the kind of money they spent to be a team who has just 4 wins against teams with a winning record in 3 seasons.  You don't spend that kind of money and then allow mediocrity at best to be the standard.  

 

All they built is a track team that can pad stats against weak opponents but get out played physically against good teams.  You want to win in the NFL in the postseason or against tougher opposition, well you better be able to win in the trenches too, not just in a straight line race.  And quite frankly, building a track team around a QB who struggles past his first read and holding the ball longer who has underwhelming arm strength isn't the best idea in the first place.  There is a reason Jonnu was a lot more important and better than over paid Waddle was this season, and even arguably better than the season Hill had.  

 

Personally, I think its only going to get worse for them next year and they will miss the playoffs again.  

You've said the bolded in a couple of threads, but last year Miami was the 6 seed and went to KC and lost (the Bills were the 2 seed).

 

I don't consider Miami to be much of a threat to the Bills for the foreseeable future.  But I do see Miami being capable of making a run to be a wildcard team.

[Chuck Schick]

22 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

The Curb your Enthusiasm theme song on the PA at the end was perfectly placed

[947]

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If Tua was healthy (and that’s a big if), they probably make the playoffs this year. 

 

As what...the 7th seed again, and to do that they needed to win 2 more games.  But let's say they did win 2 more games and limp in with Tua, they were still 1-4 this year with Tua against teams with winning records.  So what then when they get in the playoffs and have to go to Buffalo round 1 who has owned them regardless of where the game has been played all of Allens career?

 

2022 - 7th seed

2023 - 6th seed

2024 - 7th seed (missed, but lets say they made the playoffs like you suggested if Tua plays a handful more games)

 

They have limped in as the 7th seed after losing 5 straight with Tua, blown a 3 game divisional lead with 7 games to go to a team who had to fire their OC in week 10 to limp in as the 6th seed, and then maybe limping in again as the 7th seed this year if Tua plays a couple more games.  And why, because they struggle to win games against teams with winning records.

 

How many GM's and HC's keep their job after spending as much money as they have and whose best hope is to be the 6th or 7th seed every year and win 0 playoff games?  The expectations for the Dolphins is not to be a borderline playoff team that has no real shot of advancing.  That is not why they paid Tua, Hill, Waddle and made big trades like getting Hill and Ramsey.   This was a team that has pushed their chips in chasing a divisional title and SB push and haven'teven won a playoff game.

 

And they already had repercussions of their moves and spending last year when it cost them players and had to start resetting the cap.  Now this year Hill wants out already which would leave Tua with just Waddle at WR who in 15 games managed to only put 744 yards with Hill on the field drawing the defense.  

 

I will be stunned if this staff and FO last past next offseason.

Edited Friday at 05:03 PM by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

As what...the 7th seed again, and to do that they needed to win 2 more games.  But let's say they did win 2 more games and limp in with Tua, they were still 1-4 this year with Tua against teams with winning records.  So what then when they get in the playoffs and have to go to Buffalo round 1 who has owned them regardless of where the game has been played all of Allens career?

 

2022 - 7th seed

2023 - 7th seed

2024 - 7th seed (missed, but lets say they made the playoffs)

 

You also realize they have only ever made the playoffs because the NFL expanded the playoffs in 2020.  Otherwise they would have 0 playoff appearances.  And why is that?  Because again they can't beat teams with winning records.

 

How many GM's and HC's keep their job after spending as much money as they have and whose best hope is to be the 7th seed every year and win 0 playoff games?  The expectations for the Dolphins is not to be a borderline playoff team that has no real shot of advancing.  That is not why they paid Tua, Hill, Waddle and made big trades like getting Hill and Ramsey.  

 

This was a team that has pushed their chips in chasing a divisional title and SB push.  All they have done is choke away 2022 losing 5 of their last 6, choke away the division in 2023 in what was a year both Hill and Tua were in MVP conversations in parts of the season, and again in 2024 struggle to stay above .500 with Tua going 6-5 where they again could only beat the sub .500 teams.

 

That is not a recipe for job security in the NFL...and now they already had repercussions of their moves and spending last year when it cost them most of their defensive front 7.  Now this year Hill wants out already which would leave Tua with just Waddle at WR who in 15 games managed to only put 744 yards with Hill on the field drawing the defense.  

 

I will be stunned if this staff and FO last past next offseason.

 

As @Einstein's Dog pointed out above they were the #6 seed in 2023.

 

I don't really disagree re. the general thrust, but they would have 1 playoff appearance even under the old system.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As @Einstein's Dog pointed out above they were the #6 seed in 2023.

 

I don't really disagree re. the general thrust, but they would have 1 playoff appearance even under the old system.

 

My bad...I thought they dropped to the final seed with our win.  Thanks for pointing that out, didn't see @Einstein's Dog post above.  Doesn't change anything else I said for me though, it all still stands the same.  But will edit to reflect the correction

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

My bad...I thought they dropped to the final seed with our win.  Thanks for pointing that out, didn't see @Einstein's Dog post above.  Doesn't change anything else I said for me though, it all still stands the same.  But will edit to reflect the correction

 

Yea I predicted a Dolphins fall back in 2024 too, and as you say it isn't as simple as "Tua injury" because they were only 6-5 with him. They lost their best defensive player last year, and a solid interior offensive lineman in Hunt. They are almost certain to lose Jevon Holland this year too (would love him as a Bill btw). That is three of their best drafted players in the last half dozen years in order to keep paying older, expensive, guns for hire in Hill, Ramsey and Armstead.... all of whom have been elite in their pomp but none of whom remain in that tier IMO. That is just bad roster building. 

[Captain Hindsight]

17 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Hilarious what expectations do. They were literally one of the least talented teams in recent history when both of these guys got their roles. Clearly a flawed team, but they are always a playoff threat (not to us) and have talent. 
 

both guys have been good at their jobs. Fans quickly forget what guys have built and have zero patience.

Brian Flores coaching record 24-25. His last two years was 19-14 (.575 winning percentage)

McDaniel is 28-23 (.549)

 

This is after adding Tyreek Hill and taking over a team with a 9-8 record. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I predicted a Dolphins fall back in 2024 too, and as you say it isn't as simple as "Tua injury" because they were only 6-5 with him. They lost their best defensive player last year, and a solid interior offensive lineman in Hunt. They are almost certain to lose Jevon Holland this year too (would love him as a Bill btw). That is three of their best drafted players in the last half dozen years in order to keep paying older, expensive, guns for hire in Hill, Ramsey and Armstead.... all of whom have been elite in their pomp but none of whom remain in that tier IMO. That is just bad roster building. 

 

Yeah totally agree with all of this.  And I remember you and I were totally aligned on this all offseason expecting a step back.  

 

And I agree Holland is likely gone and I would also love to see him land in Buffalo.  Personally, I am not so sure this regime is back this next year if they had not given McDaniels an extension before the season began.  And I can't see how they can turn things around next year as they seem poised to potentially lose more guys and like you said, so much invested in older guns for hire that are not going to sustain the level of play they were paid and brought in for.  

[DrDawkinstein]

21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Brian Flores coaching record 24-25. His last two years was 19-14 (.575 winning percentage)

McDaniel is 28-23 (.549)

 

This is after adding Tyreek Hill and taking over a team with a 9-8 record. 

 

 

And Flores was coaching a team that had an Owner and GM who were actively tanking.

[BuffaloBillyG]

And there's your official 2024-2025 Miami Dolphins All Scapegoat Team.

 

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And Flores was coaching a team that had an Owner and GM who were actively tanking.

Yup. His first year he went 5-11. That team was horrible. 10-6 a year later

 

Flores might be a jerk, but that team played hard for him 

[DrDawkinstein]

13 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Yup. His first year he went 5-11. That team was horrible. 10-6 a year later

 

Flores might be a jerk, but that team played hard for him 

 

Although, I'm not sure how much credit we should be giving Flores, or was it more Fitz and his attitude that kept that team together?

[stevewin]

On 1/7/2025 at 5:03 PM, Big Blitz said:

Woo boy

 

 

This is 100% a coach not having the respect of the players and control of the team.  Need someone in the media to tell me again what a great HC McDaniel is

Edited Friday at 09:24 PM by stevewin

[Don Otreply]

What’s that saying.., hmmm, oh yeah, “ Never interrupt your opponent when they are doing something stupid” 

[DrDawkinstein]

Oh this will fix it.

 

 

[FireChans]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

How many GM's and HC's keep their job after spending as much money as they have and whose best hope is to be the 6th or 7th seed every year and win 0 playoff games?

There was a point in Buffalo’s history where 3 straight playoff appearances would’ve gotten you the key to the city.

 

I do think it’s kinda funny to think about the dichotomy that Miami is such a failure because they can’t beat Mahomes with Tua or Josh Allen with Skylar Thompson, meanwhile we can’t get out of the divisional round with Josh.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

There was a point in Buffalo’s history where 3 straight playoff appearances would’ve gotten you the key to the city.

 

I do think it’s kinda funny to think about the dichotomy that Miami is such a failure because they can’t beat Mahomes with Tua or Josh Allen with Skylar Thompson, meanwhile we can’t get out of the divisional round with Josh.

Tua was 1-4 against wining teams this year.  He apparently can’t get over anyone 

 

Miami has just 4 wins in 3 years against teams with a winning record.  
 

But you think it’s about him not beating Mahomes?  Lmao

Edited Saturday at 04:04 AM by Alphadawg7

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Tua was 1-4 against wining teams this year.  He apparently can’t get over anyone 

 

Miami has just 4 wins in 3 years against teams with a winning record.  
 

But you think it’s about him not beating Mahomes?  Lmao

It kinda is, right? 

 

They drew KC round 1 last year. They lost with a massive QB disadvantage.

 

2 years ago they drew the Bills round 1. They lost with a massive QB disadvantage and a backup QB starting to boot.

 

Tua has as many wins against Mahomes in the playoffs as Josh does.

[BillsFan130]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I predicted a Dolphins fall back in 2024 too, and as you say it isn't as simple as "Tua injury" because they were only 6-5 with him. They lost their best defensive player last year, and a solid interior offensive lineman in Hunt. They are almost certain to lose Jevon Holland this year too (would love him as a Bill btw). That is three of their best drafted players in the last half dozen years in order to keep paying older, expensive, guns for hire in Hill, Ramsey and Armstead.... all of whom have been elite in their pomp but none of whom remain in that tier IMO. That is just bad roster building. 

All true- but remember they the games Tua missed in which they lost, was the soft spot of their schedule. (Titans, colts, Seahawks, jets)

Got to think they win 3 of those at least if he's healthy, which would have gotten them to 11 wins 

 

I think with Tua healthy, they are a 11 win team pretty consistently. (8-5 in 2022 for games he started, 11-6 in 2023, and very good chance at least 11 wins if he played those games against inferior opponents)

 

However, they still are a flawed team and it will always be a struggle for them to win playoff games based on how they are built 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 04:18 AM by BillsFan130