Chris Grier and Mike McDaniels will return to Dolphins next season, team announces

[BillMafia716ix]

When players start showing up late to meetings and practices. It’s a clear sign they don’t respect the coach. If you listen to him talk, you can see why. He doesn’t really strike you as a guy who is going to command a locker room.

 

Tyreek Hill basically quit on the team in the 3rd quarter. Tua is hurt a lot and getting paid like an all pro QB. It’s a mess down there. I’m not expecting Miami to be a threat to us anytime soon. 

[Alphadawg7]

IMHO, there is almost no chance they last past this next season.  I told everyone this preseason Miami was NOT going to make the playoffs this year as their roster was so poorly constructed and headed in the wrong direction.  At their strongest points from a roster stand point over the past 3 years, they still couldn't win against teams with winning records and still limped into the postseason as the 7th seed.

 

This team choked away the season in 2022 to barely make the playoffs as the 7th seed losing 5 of their last 6 (all 5 losses with Tua at QB)...then blew a big divisional lead in 2023 to again barely make the playoffs as the 7th seed (again with Tua , and him and Hill being in MVP conversations during the season), and then went 6-5 with Tua in 2024 and going 1-4 with Tua in games against teams with a winning record.  

 

This team is not much different than what the Chargers with Herbert before Harbaugh got there.  They don't know how to win.  Sure, with all the speed they have they can exploit bad teams and put up some stats.  But against good teams it was a different story only winning just 4 games in 3 seasons against teams with a winning record.  

 

Their team is just another cautionary tale to stop being distracted by flashy things.  There are fundamentals to football that cannot be ignored, and none more important than you need to win in the trenches.  The NFL is not an olympic relay race, it's a hard nosed and physical game and you better be able to do more than just run fast with some of your players.  

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 1/5/2025 at 9:38 PM, Roundybout said:

 

 

From what I gather, Dolphins fans are not happy 

Dolphins were a hair away from making the playoffs. Without Tua cos-playing as Josh Allen going head on into a safety, they would’ve been in. Their success against Buffalo has been laughable, but they’ve been decent under McDaniel. I think it would be stupid to blow everything up. Tua is the one I am not sold on. McDaniel has done a great job designing an offense that plays to his strengths. If I’m a Fins fan, I’m hoping they draft a big strong project QB in the 1st that can learn for a couple years behind Tua and hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the mean time. Also, build a better defense. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Dolphins were a hair away from making the playoffs. Without Tua cos-playing as Josh Allen going head on into a safety, they would’ve been in. Their success against Buffalo has been laughable, but they’ve been decent under McDaniel. I think it would be stupid to blow everything up. Tua is the one I am not sold on. McDaniel has done a great job designing an offense that plays to his strengths. If I’m a Fins fan, I’m hoping they draft a big strong project QB in the 1st that can learn for a couple years behind Tua and hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the mean time. Also, build a better defense. 

Would they though? They basically needed 2 more wins to make it. 

 

After going out against us, the lost back to back games against the Seahawks in Seattle and the Titans who routed them. They beat the Pats and lost to the Colts.

 

I might say with Tua they beat the Colts. Seattle in Seattle and the margin of victory for the Titans suggest even with Tua I think they drop those game.

 

Then he came back and they drop the next 2 to us and Arizona.

 

Then without Tua they go 1-1 to end the year against the Browns and Jets. Maybe they beat the Jets with Tua out there. But cold weather games aren't their jam either.

 

Anyway, they may have made it. Maybe not if they had Tua for all 17. But I thinks it's certainly less than a slam dunk they do even with him. They just aren't a sound team. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Dolphins were a hair away from making the playoffs. Without Tua cos-playing as Josh Allen going head on into a safety, they would’ve been in. Their success against Buffalo has been laughable, but they’ve been decent under McDaniel. I think it would be stupid to blow everything up. Tua is the one I am not sold on. McDaniel has done a great job designing an offense that plays to his strengths. If I’m a Fins fan, I’m hoping they draft a big strong project QB in the 1st that can learn for a couple years behind Tua and hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the mean time. Also, build a better defense. 

 

They were 6-5 with Tua and 1-4 against .500 or better teams with Tua in those 11 games.  I don't know they would have been in and they sure as heck would not have been relevant had they been limped in for the 3rd year in a row as the 7th seed again.  

 

If not for the expansion from 12 to 14 playoff teams in 2020, the Dolphins would have 0 playoff appearances in the 3 years since Hill got there as they have 2, both as the 7th seed.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

I fully endorse the Dolphins trying to save face and have it blow up all next season especially if they start slow. 

 

Hill is the gift that keeps on giving.

[machine gun kelly]

Good.  Keep them  coming.  We’ll enjoy the wins.

[HOUSE]

5-12

[C.Biscuit97]

Hilarious what expectations do. They were literally one of the least talented teams in recent history when both of these guys got their roles. Clearly a flawed team, but they are always a playoff threat (not to us) and have talent. 
 

both guys have been good at their jobs. Fans quickly forget what guys have built and have zero patience.

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Hilarious what expectations do. They were literally one of the least talented teams in recent history when both of these guys got their roles. Clearly a flawed team, but they are always a playoff threat (not to us) and have talent. 
 

both guys have been good at their jobs. Fans quickly forget what guys have built and have zero patience.

 

No disrespect, but they have never passed into being more than a pretender.  If not for the playoff expansion in 2020, they would have zero playoff appearances.  And you don't spend the kind of money they spent to be a team who has just 4 wins against teams with a winning record in 3 seasons.  You don't spend that kind of money and then allow mediocrity at best to be the standard.  

 

All they built is a track team that can pad stats against weak opponents but get out played physically against good teams.  You want to win in the NFL in the postseason or against tougher opposition, well you better be able to win in the trenches too, not just in a straight line race.  And quite frankly, building a track team around a QB who struggles past his first read and holding the ball longer who has underwhelming arm strength isn't the best idea in the first place.  There is a reason Jonnu was a lot more important and better than over paid Waddle was this season, and even arguably better than the season Hill had.  

 

Personally, I think its only going to get worse for them next year and they will miss the playoffs again.  

[BillsFan130]

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

IMHO, there is almost no chance they last past this next season.  I told everyone this preseason Miami was NOT going to make the playoffs this year as their roster was so poorly constructed and headed in the wrong direction.  At their strongest points from a roster stand point over the past 3 years, they still couldn't win against teams with winning records and still limped into the postseason as the 7th seed.

 

This team choked away the season in 2022 to barely make the playoffs as the 7th seed losing 5 of their last 6 (all 5 losses with Tua at QB)...then blew a big divisional lead in 2023 to again barely make the playoffs as the 7th seed (again with Tua , and him and Hill being in MVP conversations during the season), and then went 6-5 with Tua in 2024 and going 1-4 with Tua in games against teams with a winning record.  

 

This team is not much different than what the Chargers with Herbert before Harbaugh got there.  They don't know how to win.  Sure, with all the speed they have they can exploit bad teams and put up some stats.  But against good teams it was a different story only winning just 4 games in 3 seasons against teams with a winning record.  

 

Their team is just another cautionary tale to stop being distracted by flashy things.  There are fundamentals to football that cannot be ignored, and none more important than you need to win in the trenches.  The NFL is not an olympic relay race, it's a hard nosed and physical game and you better be able to do more than just run fast with some of your players.  

 

 

Per the bold- When you say Miami wasn't gonna make the playoffs this year cause their roster was poorly constructed, was that also factoring in you assuming Tua can't stay healthy and they didn't have a good backup? (If so, fair enough)

 

Cause I think they easily would have gotten 3 more wins against the Titans, Colts and Jets if he was healthy, which would have gotten them to 11 wins. (Not to mention all the other key starters they had out)

 

I do think miami when healthy, is still a solid 11-6 team. BUT. To your point they are flawed, and their finesse style of play usually doesn't translate well to playoff success

Edited Friday at 12:42 AM by BillsFan130

[FireChans]

46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect, but they have never passed into being more than a pretender.  If not for the playoff expansion in 2020, they would have zero playoff appearances.  And you don't spend the kind of money they spent to be a team who has just 4 wins against teams with a winning record in 3 seasons.  You don't spend that kind of money and then allow mediocrity at best to be the standard.  

 

All they built is a track team that can pad stats against weak opponents but get out played physically against good teams.  You want to win in the NFL in the postseason or against tougher opposition, well you better be able to win in the trenches too, not just in a straight line race.  And quite frankly, building a track team around a QB who struggles past his first read and holding the ball longer who has underwhelming arm strength isn't the best idea in the first place.  There is a reason Jonnu was a lot more important and better than over paid Waddle was this season, and even arguably better than the season Hill had.  

 

Personally, I think its only going to get worse for them next year and they will miss the playoffs again.  

Meh, I think the build with the trenches thing goes too far.

 

Their defense got actually quite a bit better this season. 

The big problem is really that Tua has a low ceiling and a low floor, that he needs to be propped up to be just a good QB, and that kind of QB unfortunately doesn’t get your far at building out the rest of a roster.

 

Put it another way, as much as we consider ourselves a far more physical team than Miami, if Tua was our QB for 17 games this season, I think we have a similar record to the Dolphins if not worse.

 

If Josh was the Dolphins QB, i think they are still the 2 seed and run away with the division.

 

Brock Purdy is Tua West for a reason. A physically limited, nice kid who needs to be surrounded by talent to produce in a Shanny system. And when that talent suffers a set back, they turn back into pumpkins. And paying all that talent limits your upside everywhere else on the roster. 

Edited Friday at 12:42 AM by FireChans

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Meh, I think the build with the trenches thing goes too far.

 

Their defense got actually quite a bit better this season. 

The big problem is really that Tua has a low ceiling and a low floor, that he needs to be propped up to be just a good QB, and that kind of QB unfortunately doesn’t get your far at building out the rest of a roster.

 

Put it another way, as much as we consider ourselves a far more physical team than Miami, if Tua was our QB for 17 games this season, I think we have a similar record to the Dolphins if not worse.

 

If Josh was the Dolphins QB, i think they are still the 2 seed and run away with the division.

 

Brock Purdy is Tua West for a reason. A physically limited, nice kid who needs to be surrounded by talent to produce in a Shanny system. And when that talent suffers a set back, they turn back into pumpkins. And paying all that talent limits your upside everywhere else on the roster. 

All good points, but their biggest problem was Tua's health. (And not having their top 2 pass rushers for basically all season)

 

If he was healthy, extremely good chance they beat the colts, titans and jets which would have had them at 11-6

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I fully endorse the Dolphins trying to save face and have it blow up all next season especially if they start slow. 

 

Hill is the gift that keeps on giving.

Only thing missing from that annoying sports radio host interviewing that annoying player agent is having the annoying player there to add his 'spin' to the situation. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Greer and McDaniel (no s) sound like they need an disciplinarian in that locker room.  Gettleman, or Barney Fife. 🤨

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Meh, I think the build with the trenches thing goes too far.

 

Their defense got actually quite a bit better this season. 

The big problem is really that Tua has a low ceiling and a low floor, that he needs to be propped up to be just a good QB, and that kind of QB unfortunately doesn’t get your far at building out the rest of a roster.

 

Put it another way, as much as we consider ourselves a far more physical team than Miami, if Tua was our QB for 17 games this season, I think we have a similar record to the Dolphins if not worse.

 

If Josh was the Dolphins QB, i think they are still the 2 seed and run away with the division.

 

Brock Purdy is Tua West for a reason. A physically limited, nice kid who needs to be surrounded by talent to produce in a Shanny system. And when that talent suffers a set back, they turn back into pumpkins. And paying all that talent limits your upside everywhere else on the roster. 

 

I don't disagree with you about a lot of what you said here except really the part about the trenches thing goes too far.  Keep in mind, it doesn't mean you must have the #1 OL and #1 DL in football.  Just means you better be capable to win up front when you need to.  

 

I agree with you about Tua and his limitations, in fact, agree with all of it.  I do think Purdy is a better QB than Tua having watched all of Purdy's games (given my wife is a die hard Niners fan), but like Tua he also has limitations.  I just think he has better vision and pocket presence than Tua which for me makes me believe Purdy has a better chance at a SB ring in his career than Tua will.

 

I also don't disagree with you about Allen if he and Tua switched places, but that is the value of an elite QB.  But lets be real...part of that is because the Jets and Pats still stink this year, and the Bills wouldn't have Allen so they would also not be any good, so of course Allen in Miami is a runaway divisional title.  And you can say the same thing about the Jets...Allen on the Jets and they would have won the division too.  

 

Allen is one of one...a generational talent like the NFL has never seen who isn't even 30 yet and already set many QB records in both regular and postseason.  Its unrealistic to for a team to go find an Allen who can make up for a teams deficiencies and elevate a team the way he can.  So it's not really a fair comparison IMHO, especially in an effort to rebuke the value of winning in the trenches. 

 

As far as the trenches goes...Josh Allen just played behind the best offensive line he has ever had, and that helped contribute to his most efficient season of his career and quite possibly his first MVP despite an offensive skill group around him you don't think is very strong.  Now look at Mahomes...3 straight seasons of issues at WR but they are back to back reigning SB champs, this years #1 seed in chase of a 3rd straight title.  Now his OL had issues in spots of the line this year, and Mahomes had a down season for his standards as part of that.  But they kept winning because they were still tough in the short areas of the field and could win in the trenches, were able to run the ball in key moments of the games, and the DL was stellar again.  

 

There is obviously no single "must do" way to win...but I can assure you that winning in the trenches is, and always has been, a component of many winning formulas and as close to a "must" as it gets in football.  And you would be hard pressed to find a HC, if any, that would say otherwise too.

 

 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I also don't disagree with you about Allen if he and Tua switched places, but that is the value of an elite QB.  But lets be real...part of that is because the Jets and Pats still stink this year, and the Bills wouldn't have Allen so they would also not be any good, so of course Allen in Miami is a runaway divisional title.  And you can say the same thing about the Jets...Allen on the Jets and they would have won the division too.  

 

Allen is one of one...a generational talent like the NFL has never seen who isn't even 30 yet and already set many QB records in both regular and postseason.  Its unrealistic to for a team to go find an Allen who can make up for a teams deficiencies and elevate a team the way he can.  So it's not really a fair comparison IMHO, especially in an effort to rebuke the value of winning in the trenches. 

It's proof positive that "winning in the trenches" is another one of those things that's nice to have, but close to irrelevant compared to not having the QB. It's window dressing.

 

The value of the elite QB (which the Dolphins don't have and never will as long as Tua is under center) is why they will not be a contender. The Bills have been a contender the entire time Josh has been elite. It doesn't matter if our DL sucks or our OL sucks.We are still contenders, every year. If Josh was on a team like the Dolphins, who you say can't win in the trenches, they would be contenders, every year.

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's proof positive that "winning in the trenches" is another one of those things that's nice to have, but close to irrelevant compared to not having the QB. It's window dressing.

 

But I never said winning in the trenches was more important than a great QB, said nothing of the sort.  I said you need to also be able to win in the trenches...never said in lieu of finding your QB.  

 

My comments were about how Miami built their team...which includes paying big money to a QB with injury issues, a sub par arm, and struggles when the protection breaks down.  You want to mask some of that, you better build up his protection.  

 

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

The value of the elite QB (which the Dolphins don't have and never will as long as Tua is under center) is why they will not be a contender. The Bills have been a contender the entire time Josh has been elite. It doesn't matter if our DL sucks or our OL sucks.We are still contenders, every year. If Josh was on a team like the Dolphins, who you say can't win in the trenches, they would be contenders, every year.

 

Yes Josh is a "contender" every year...but he has 0 SB appearances.  Meanwhile, Brock Purdy in his 2nd year reached and nearly won a SB because they win in the trenches and don't need a QB to be superman.  

 

You want to wait around for a once in generation talent like Allen to try and win a SB, well you wont be a GM very long given those are rare players.  And even when you find one, it still isn't enough.  Just ask Allen himself...or Lamar...or Brees and Rodgers who each only reached one despite being indisputable top 10 all time QB's by most peoples rankings.  Or ask Marino, Kelly, etc who never won one if it's all about the QB.

 

No one is ever going to dispute having a great QB is important, or even the most important thing, especially me.  But if that was all it took then there wouldn't be so many great QBs now and throughout history that have 0 rings or just 1.  You need to build a competent team around those QB's, and you would be hard pressed to find a better place to do that than the trenches.  

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

IMHO, there is almost no chance they last past this next season.  I told everyone this preseason Miami was NOT going to make the playoffs this year as their roster was so poorly constructed and headed in the wrong direction.  At their strongest points from a roster stand point over the past 3 years, they still couldn't win against teams with winning records and still limped into the postseason as the 7th seed.

 

This team choked away the season in 2022 to barely make the playoffs as the 7th seed losing 5 of their last 6 (all 5 losses with Tua at QB)...then blew a big divisional lead in 2023 to again barely make the playoffs as the 7th seed (again with Tua , and him and Hill being in MVP conversations during the season), and then went 6-5 with Tua in 2024 and going 1-4 with Tua in games against teams with a winning record.  

 

This team is not much different than what the Chargers with Herbert before Harbaugh got there.  They don't know how to win.  Sure, with all the speed they have they can exploit bad teams and put up some stats.  But against good teams it was a different story only winning just 4 games in 3 seasons against teams with a winning record.  

 

Their team is just another cautionary tale to stop being distracted by flashy things.  There are fundamentals to football that cannot be ignored, and none more important than you need to win in the trenches.  The NFL is not an olympic relay race, it's a hard nosed and physical game and you better be able to do more than just run fast with some of your players.  

 

 

If Tua was healthy (and that’s a big if), they probably make the playoffs this year.