Broncos at Bills Sunday 1pm (confirmed)

[Ethan in Cleveland]

44 minutes ago, julian said:

I’m not gonna be thrilled with 1 SB and 2 SB losses for Allen’s career, this organization will have failed unless he gets 2 rings in my opinion… just like the Packers failed Rodgers and Favre and the Colts failed Manning.

 

Allen is a multi SB champion talent and anything less is a failure imho.

I understand your sentiment. 

Josh is a QB talent that should win multiple SuperBowls. But if we just get one we will be ecstatic and at the same time disappointed. 

First let's just hope Allen isn't Rivers and despite a HOF career never got to a SuperBowl. Second let's hope he is not Marino who only got to one and never made it back. 

At this point we can only dream he is Brees with one SuperBowl win!

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I understand your sentiment. 

Josh is a QB talent that should win multiple SuperBowls. But if we just get one we will be ecstatic and at the same time disappointed. 

First let's just hope Allen isn't Rivers and despite a HOF career never got to a SuperBowl. Second let's hope he is not Marino who only got to one and never made it back. 

At this point we can only dream he is Brees with one SuperBowl win!

 

The upcoming draft is deep with starters to reshape the defense with difference makers. 

 

This version of the Bills offense with a championship caliber defense makes the back half of Josh Allen's career look really promising. 

 

Not writing off this seasons yet. They have everything to play for.

 

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

KC got healthy at the right time as usual. Hopkins has gotten comfortable and getting Hollywood Brown back gives them two receivers with elite speed. Should the Bills make it there, Patrick will have to file sexual harassment charges against the Bills defensive line if the Bills wanna go to the Super Bowl.

Sadly, Christian Wilkins ain’t walking through that door. Now there’s a guy who can get a sack and grab a handful of sack at the same time.

 

[mannc]

24 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The upcoming draft is deep with starters to reshape the defense with difference makers. 

 

 

 

Is this true?  I'm not up to speed yet on the 2025 draft...If so, that's great news.

[Chandler#81]

 

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Is this true?  I'm not up to speed yet on the 2025 draft...If so, that's great news.

 

I've channeled my nerves over the last week by diving into draft potentials for the Bills. There's a load of talent at DL, CB, S and Edge. And the Bills have 6 picks inside the top 140 that could truly reshape the defense if they wanted to. 

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

 My all time favorite Bills game: 

 

https://youtu.be/vsDNo2TT3d8?si=Hu_iHSOVqtIBAbTp

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, boco357 said:

 

They’ll play the “deep water” speech. 

[Steptide]

Not sure this is the right place for this, but all related I guess 

 

Imagine if the steelers actually pulled the upset 

[Fan in Chicago]

3 hours ago, boco357 said:

 

One of my favorite Bills of all time! 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Not sure this is the right place for this, but all related I guess 

 

Imagine if the steelers actually pulled the upset 

 

They are 8-2 in their last 10 games vs the Ravens, but they have to get back to playing good football again. If they play like they have the past month then they will probably get blown out.

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, julian said:

I’m not gonna be thrilled with 1 SB and 2 SB losses for Allen’s career, this organization will have failed unless he gets 2 rings in my opinion… just like the Packers failed Rodgers and Favre and the Colts failed Manning.

 

Allen is a multi SB champion talent and anything less is a failure imho.

From a talent perspective, Josh absolutely has everything it takes to be a multiple Super Bowl winner.
 

That said, as a fan, I don’t need any more than one. Just give me my one and I feel it would genuinely change me as a fan. Not that I’d love the Bills any less (or more) than I do now if it were to happen, but the “pressure” and “need for validation” (relative to the Bills) wouldn’t be there. The stress of it all wouldn’t be as high as it’s been my entire fandom.  I’ve gotten better with age, but I think if I were to ever experience a Bills championship, I’d have a much healthier relationship with the team as a fan. No one could take that one from us.

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Same thing could be said about the Seahawks.

Meh, I think both Seahawks jerseys are great just different .

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

 I haven't really viewed it like that.  Payton has more experience and has won in the toughest of environments and lost in games he should have won.  He has been a part of it all.  He is an excellent play caller and when he finds a weakness he is going to hammer it over and over.

 

He has been in a situation exactly like this before.  in 2009 the Minnesota Vikings hadn't lost a home game in like 15 games or something and were 9-0 on the season at home.  They were like this years ravens.  Peterson and Favre seemed unstoppable.  The saints went there and won in a ridiculous environment in the old metrodome.  it was insanely loud.  Favre threw the game away at the end with a terrible INT.  

 

Point being.  He knows these games and will not flubb a simple decision (more than likely) and knows exactly how to prepare for games like this.   This is why he was hired.  He knows the pressure is all on Buffalo and if they can get a lead and make it close late the bills might tighten up and the crowd will quiet down and the nervousness turns to anger at the coaches and players.  

 

The Bills need to play with a lead and make Payton and the Broncos chase the game.   I really hope the Bills come out on defense first and make a statement like the lions game then they will get some nervous energy out and have the ball after the half, hopefully with a lead.

Are you referring to the NFC Championship game that year? Because that was in New Orleans. Not Minnesota 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, folz said:

 

I think many Bills fans and probably most of the football world would agree that the Broncos have the better coach. Mostly because Payton has a Super Bowl win (and is a very good offensive mind)...and that is more than fair. But is it really true?

 

Sean Payton had a top-10 All-Time Quarterback, who is second All-Time in passing yards in the league (only behind Brady), for 14 seasons and he only had one Super Bowl appearance (a win). He had two heart-breaking, last second playoff losses (similar to 13 seconds) in back-to-back years. If he were the Bills coach, he would have been on the hot seat here too (1 SB appearance in 14 seasons with a first-ballot HOF QB?).

 

Coach   Years   Record   Win%  Playoff record   Playoff Win%   10-Win Seasons         Division Championships    Furtherest Advancement

Payton     17      170-105  .618%         9-8                 52.9%        10 of 17 years (58.8%)         7 in 17 years             1 Super Bowl appearance and win

                                                                                                                                                                                       2 NFC Champ game appearances (win+loss)                                                                                           

McD         8        86-45   .656%         5-6                  45.5%         6 of 8 years (75%)              5 in 8 years              1 AFC Championship appearance (loss)

 

Yes, Josh is one of at least three great QBs in his era, just as Drew was 1 of 3 in his era. BUT...Josh (and McD) play in the same Conference as the other great QBs in their era, while Brees (Payton) did not play in the same Conference as the other two great QBs of their era (Brady and Manning). 

 

And as far as years without Drew Brees, Payton has only had 3 other seasons with 1. Winston/Siemien/Hill, 2. Russell Wilson, and 3. Bo Nix as his QBs. Not bad quarterbacking except for the first example. And let's not forget that McD has a year with Tyrod. So, you can't really say Payton's stats were hurt by the years without Drew.

 

And as far as if there is a difference between Josh and Drew...

Josh would need 13 more seasons at his current pace to match Drew Brees' career numbers (he would have to play 20 seasons total, the same as Drew did---and that is including Josh's rushing numbers). So, pretty similar stats (though Josh may not make 20 seasons with his style of play). Drew generally tends to be ranked between the 6-11 range of All-Time QBs (leaning closer to the 6-8 range). I don't see Josh currently being ranked (at the end of his career) higher than Brady or Mahomes. What about Manning and Montana? Probably not (depending on if Josh gets any Super Bowls and how many). What about Marino, Graham, Unitas, Rodgers, Elway, Young, Favre? So, most likely, Josh (depending on Super Bowls) ends up being ranked in a similar range as Brees (provided he keeps going the way he is and dependent on Super Bowls, of course). Josh is a very different QB than Brees was, but I don't see a huge gap in their overall numbers or play/rank in any significant way to say that McD has an advantage at QB (over their careers).

 

Now, I'm not saying that McDermott IS the better coach (a Super Bowl win is a Super Bowl win---and McD doesn't have one yet), I'm just saying that I don't think it's as obvious as most people think that Payton is clearly the superior coach.

 

 

At the risk of derailing the threat I’ve long argued that both Peyton and Brees cannot both be considered amazing. They just can’t. 
 

A top 10 all time QB with a top 10 all time coach gets to more than 1 Super Bowl. Full stop. 
 

I think Brees was very good. I also think Peyton was very good. Neither were great and neither deserve to be treated n the conversation of “great”. 
 

Look at Andy Reid in Philly. He was great there, but now he’s getting GOAT’d (by some) with Mahomes. Reid was pretty good with a pretty good QB with McNabb. If Brees is better than McNabb how are we considering Peyton awesome? Or was Brees just a volume passer elevated by a great coach?

 

But both can’t be great or they’d have more success. 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

58 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

That team was such an offensive dynamo!

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

At the risk of derailing the threat I’ve long argued that both Peyton and Brees cannot both be considered amazing. They just can’t. 
 

A top 10 all time QB with a top 10 all time coach gets to more than 1 Super Bowl. Full stop. 
 

I think Brees was very good. I also think Peyton was very good. Neither were great and neither deserve to be treated n the conversation of “great”. 
 

Look at Andy Reid in Philly. He was great there, but now he’s getting GOAT’d (by some) with Mahomes. Reid was pretty good with a pretty good QB with McNabb. If Brees is better than McNabb how are we considering Peyton awesome? Or was Brees just a volume passer elevated by a great coach?

 

But both can’t be great or they’d have more success. 

 

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[Miyagi-Do Karate]

50 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Not sure this is the right place for this, but all related I guess 

 

Imagine if the steelers actually pulled the upset 

I would bet Zay is out through the AFC playoffs. And I think the Steelers have a 50/50 chance of winning this game. 

[bills742]

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by bills742

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

They’ll play the “deep water” speech. 

Can they give him a uniform?

[finn]

11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I would bet Zay is out through the AFC playoffs. And I think the Steelers have a 50/50 chance of winning this game. 

A lot depends on whether Pickens continues to indulge his inner adolescent. If he feels like playing, his connection with Wilson is elite. If they can pull ahead and make "MVP" Lamar throw instead of leaning on Henry, they have a chance. Plus, I believe they just got back a run-stuffing d-lineman.

 

On the other hand, Tomlin's teams rarely do well in the playoffs. Three wins in ten years.